Coney Islander Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 So what do you believe will happen to the park and/or the rides? Are there any particular rides you think would be great for Kings Island, or any other park? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dbfan Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 I dont much about the legal battle, but I think Six Flags wins the rides, the boerd then sells off the rest not used for the state fair. As for good for Kings Island, maybe a new slide for Boomerang Bay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rcfreak339 Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 Ummmmm from the last I heard Ed Hart has already said he will be running the park and making further renovations to reopen the park in 2011. I still think the rides stay (besides Chang of course). He says that he want's to really expand the waterpark and move the main entrance, but most of the rides will probably stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Excuse me, but the Fair Board has given the approval to negotiate a deal with Mr. Hart...and even if they do negotiate such a deal, bonds must be sold to finance the plan. As of now, there is no deal. There is an agreement to try to reach one. This is far from a foregone conclusion. Mr. Hart had best not be planning his Kentucky Kingdom future before a deal is inked. http://www.wfpl.org/...ngdom-operator/ ...potential new operator... and the last sentence: ...Today, the fair board approved a 60-day timetable to negotiate a contract with Hart’s company. This does not even take into account the ownership dispute over the existing rides on Commonwealth of Kentucky property... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sccard01 Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Six Flags isn't going to take nothing. Six Flags should give back Chang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cormaster Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 I say give it up and let it go. The park has done nothing but gotten worse every visit I've been there. Seems like all they do is remove rides, never add more, and I'm not sure they can add much more considering the small size of the park. IT was a neat little park when I went in 1998, but without chang, I'll never go there again. Besides T2 would like nice at Kings Island! BTW why did they get rid of Chang just to expand the waterpark? MAJOR FAIL! Get rid of your best thrill ride to make the waterpark bigger? Typical KK... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 IF Mr. Hart gets the property, he too intends to greatly expand the waterpark...probably because he knows the likelihood of getting the dry park rides is very, very slim. The Commonwealth of Kentucky did not buy, pay for or install those rides. They are easily removed. Many are on Six Flags property. As such, the likelihood that the Commonwealth, and not Six Flags, will get ownership of those rides is very, very slim, barring some sort of settlement... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cormaster Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Yeah but wasn't Chang built before Six flags opened the park? I remember when it opened, it was still "Kentucky Kingdom: The thrill Park". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Premier Parks bought the park, including Chang. Premier Parks later became Six Flags, Inc. Six Flags, Inc. went bankrupt, and rejected the lease with the Fair Board... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cormaster Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 so basically in order to fund the park they sold all the rides to six flags. interesting... I hear Chang's going up at Great America. I find that odd since they already have "Iron Wolf", another B&M Standup coaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Actually, Premier Parks (which became Six Flags) bought Kentucky Kingdom's assets, including the rides, the lease and the owned land...at that point Mr. Hart and the old Kentucky Kingdom investors were out of the picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cormaster Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Its seemed its been a bunch of legal mumbo jumbo. Seems though if they shut the park down then Six flags will just repo the rides, and probably put them in at other parks... well what little ones that can be moved. Wooden coasters can't be moved can they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Wooden coasters can be moved, and many have been...from Phoenix at Knoebel's Grove to Skyliner at Lakemont to Comet at The Great Escape to the Arkansas Twister at Magic Springs to the Little Dipper at Six Flags Great America, just to name a few...none originated at the park where they are now... Thunder Run is well worth saving and, by all accounts, in good condition. The same cannot be said of Twisted Twins fka Twisted Sisters... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coney Islander Posted June 7, 2010 Author Share Posted June 7, 2010 Its seemed its been a bunch of legal mumbo jumbo. Seems though if they shut the park down then Six flags will just repo the rides, and probably put them in at other parks... well what little ones that can be moved. Wooden coasters can't be moved can they? I would think this would be the best decision, but I can not recall Six Flags ever moving a flat ride from one park to another. Do you all really think Six Flags will start now? I'm thinking most of the rides will either be auctioned, or get dismantled. The only roller coasters I see getting relocated are Roller Skater, Road Runner Express, and Greezed Lightnin'... Maybe T2. (Though I'm not confident with this one.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Uh...Six Flags has moved many, many flat rides over the years. Great Adventure is a perfect example...some years back, "The War On Lines" was established, and many, many flats were added to Great Adventure. Labor to run them, in classic Gary Story fashion, was not. So, most sat idle, not manned, most of the time. Soon, they were mostly moved to other Six Flags parks...See especially Evolution, which rarely ran at Great Adventure. Moved to Six Flags St Louis, it runs nearly all the time now.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rcfreak339 Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Excuse me, but the Fair Board has given the approval to negotiate a deal with Mr. Hart...and even if they do negotiate such a deal, bonds must be sold to finance the plan. As of now, there is no deal. There is an agreement to try to reach one. This is far from a foregone conclusion. Mr. Hart had best not be planning his Kentucky Kingdom future before a deal is inked. http://www.wfpl.org/...ngdom-operator/ ...potential new operator... and the last sentence: ...Today, the fair board approved a 60-day timetable to negotiate a contract with Hart’s company. This does not even take into account the ownership dispute over the existing rides on Commonwealth of Kentucky property... You are correct. I guess I'm just eager. IF Six Flags won the ride battle I just don't see any flat rides that would really be worth saving except for maybe Big Wheel and Break-Dance other then that many of the flats at SFKK are older models (The last time KK even got a new flat was close to 2002 (Sky Coaster)correct me if wrong.) On the coaster side I again don't see many rides Six Flags would relocate, I will rate them in percentage 100% being gone and 0% being no way. Greezed Lightnin, 25%- The ride is great but is getting very old and is most often closed more then it's open. Thunder Run, 0%- It's a wooden coaster, although it's been done I can't see Six Flags in investing to do it. Twisted Twins, 0%- Look at it, you will see why besides the fact it's a hybrid. T2, 95%- I could see this fitting in nicely with another park although I can't really name a good fit any park without a SLC would be a good fit. Roller Skater, 95%- It's a perfect fit for any park missing a small kiddie coaster. Road Runner, 100%- Again, It's a good fit for a park missing this type of ride. As for the waterpark almost any slide could be relocated since they are all for the most part fairly new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Six Flags JUST moved a wooden coaster...to Great America. A small one, but a popular one. T2 was a prototype. I cannot imagine anyone wanting to move that thing. With all due respect, I do believe its highest and best use is as recycled steel... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastersRZ Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 How different is T2 from other standard Vekoma SLC coasters? I never rode T2 when I was at Kentucky Kingdom way back in 1997. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 It has very rough transitions and is perhaps the most uncomfortable of any of the SLC's, with the exception of the other prototype, which is at Six Flags Discovery Kingdom and was once Hang Man at Opryland. When I was more well padded, I had no problems with T2. As the weight came off, the constant shifting from front to back of the train that others experienced began to also afflict me. Oucharooney. The front seat is not as bad as the next row, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rcfreak339 Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 ^^It's a prototype, and from what people say (Including myself) it's one of the worst rides ever built. What makes it hurt is not the slamming of the head on the restraint like most people would expect, it's the horrible backward and forward motion that can cause bad back pain.. Terpy, do you happen to know the other SLC prototypes that have been built in the past? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 As far as I know, Hang Man and T2 were the two prototypes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 CORRECTION: According to rcdb, the other prototype was El Condor, with T2: http://www.rcdb.com/...tm?ot=2&mo=8409 http://www.rcdb.com/770.htm NOT the Hang Man... And El Condor was the first SLC...I can only imagine what it must be like if T2 was an improvement! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rcfreak339 Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 ^Hang Man did receive the new Vekoma SLC trains which Iv'e heard helped. Why couldn't Six Flags just do this? ^Errr, you edited before I posted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 I suspect money is a major factor... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cormaster Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 I rode T2 back in 1998 and thought it was fine, though short and weak in comparison to the previous one I rode, the Raptor at Cedar Point! Though I was only 18 years old at that time, and I never noticed the rough ride on The Vortex back then either, while now at age 30 I'm finding The Vortex to be much more painful and rough! how is T2 in comparison to The Vortex? Yeah I know different types of coasters, I just mean as far as transitions, and roughness! I also wonder why anyone ever went to Vekoma for an Invert when B&M was already an expert in it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 El Condor and T2 feature a final bunny hop prior to the brake run that subsequent models don't have. Ultimately, the final bunny hop prooved uncomfortable to riders and was eliminated. Adjustments were also made to make better articulating trains. T2 suffers(ed) from voilent/terrible jack-hammering and "bunching." BTW, other rides at KK were initial prototypes/concepts/1st editions. For example: Hellivator was a prototype and Twisted Twins was the first CCI to use Gerstlaur Trains Shaggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast1979 Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Besides T2 would like nice at Kings Island! AHHH!!!! *head explodes* T2 is one of the few rides where I refuse to ride it. It's in the same boat as Son of Beast and Mean Streak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cormaster Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Besides T2 would like nice at Kings Island! AHHH!!!! *head explodes* T2 is one of the few rides where I refuse to ride it. It's in the same boat as Son of Beast and Mean Streak. I made that comment before everyone started commenting on how rough and crappy the ride was. I was just thinking invert at the time, and considering it was made by Vekoma, figured it couldn't be much worse than Invertigo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sccard01 Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 I rode faceoff or Invertigo three times in my life! It isn't lumpy to me, Terror To The Second Power is much worst and hell! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 I rode T2 back in 1998 and thought it was fine, though short and weak in comparison to the previous one I rode, the Raptor at Cedar Point! Though I was only 18 years old at that time, and I never noticed the rough ride on The Vortex back then either, while now at age 30 I'm finding The Vortex to be much more painful and rough! how is T2 in comparison to The Vortex? Yeah I know different types of coasters, I just mean as far as transitions, and roughness! I also wonder why anyone ever went to Vekoma for an Invert when B&M was already an expert in it? Perhaps the fact a Vekoma can be had for approximately 1/3 the cost of a B&M? Not to mention that Vekoma normally can work a coaster in to its schedule, while B&M is usually booked for quite some time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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