CoastersRZ

I think that this topic has finally ran its course. Time to move on. For those who are still upset, please vent in the proper manners, but please do not create new topics complaining about this. Further topics will only be removed. Topic closed.

Right. I have a feeling it will not be running come April 30th, which means the same thing as the end of last season when it wasn`t operating. Now if parts of the ride are missing (I`m not saying they are), come April 30th, that will also indicate something to. But I doubt we will see any change come opening day.

But how does the ride running or not on April 30th have any impact on the fate of the ride?

What are you talking about? The park opens April 30th. That doesn`t mean we will know anything about Son of Beast on or before that date.

So what were you trying to say? Given the size of the park, and some of the attractions Coney has, it can be a more family friendly atmosphere than KI. It definitely has a different vibe than KI. It has a more laid back atmosphere.

Huh? Too SHORT to ride any of the kiddy rides? The kiddy rides at Coney do not have a minimum height requirement. As long as the kids are able to site up on their own, they can ride.

Actually, Coney is quite good with height requirements compared to KI. There are currently only 4 rides that require you to be 48 to ride (Tempest, Bumper Boats, Round Up and Rock O Planes.) The Tempest requires those between 48 and 52" to ride with an adult. River Runner allows kids between the heights of 40-48" to ride with an adult. The Ferris Wheel and Scream Machine allow kids 36-48" tall to ride with an adult. The Python coaster and Dodgems allow kids 36"-52" to ride with adults. And Flying Bobs, Giant Slide, Trabant, Tilt a Whirl, Pedal boats, Scrambler and Carousel all allow kids under 48" to ride with an adult. Yes, most of the kiddy rides at Coney are restricted to 48" and less (KI restricts them to 54" or less in general). But Coney has a lot of rides with lower height requirements than KI. Compare Coney`s Dodgems to KI`s. You can`t ride the slow mobiles at KI if you are under 48, while you can ride the faster Dodgems at Coney when accompanied by an adult. So I don`t exactly get where you are coming from with these "bad with height restrictions" view point in regards to Coney. Yes, there were complaints over at Sunlite Pool that with the removal of the Zoom Flume, there were no water slides for the younger set to take on (The Cyclone and Pipeline Plunge both have 48" height requirements). But that should be remedied this year with the change in height requirements to the Twister.

Yeah. The first part made sense, and then I got confused by that second part. If they can only give out $20 million in distributions in 2012, why even mention the second part? (It certainly seems like they are trying to appease Q. But if one is a unit holder in Cedar Fair, you have to wonder what they have planned for cash distributions in 2012.

I`m not certain why the sudden change. I do know that back in 2009, Coney lowered the height requirements on two other rides: River Runner and Scream Machine. Scream Machine used to be 48" to ride, but then it was changed to 36" to ride with an adult, 48" without an adult, after new, bigger over the shoulder restraints were added.

From Coney Island`s Facebook page (found here: http://www.facebook.com/coneyislandpark) they are lowering the height requirement on the Twister water slide from 48" to 36". The Twister replaced the Zoom Flume in 2009. The Zoom Flume had a height requirement of 36"

An update from Cedar Fair about restructuring their financing. http://cedarfair.com/ir/press_releases/index.cfm?current_root=15&mode=story&story_id=294

Which means what for Cedar Fair`s bottom line?

And the lease dates to the days of Kings Entertainment Co. I`ll dig more up on it tomorrow. (Need to locate my trusty word file). Although, Great America has lasted quite a while on leased land. I think the writing is on the wall. Especially, with Cedar Fair taking an impairment charge on Great America. And they are shipping out Invertigo to another property. Kind of similar to what they did to Geauga Lake shortly before it closed. So who would get the B&M invert if they decide to relocate that ride?

Ah, but there can be more than one kind of silly band!

I think Kevin was trying to illustrate his silly band theory once again.

Technically, I`m neither. (According to my business card, I am a "Designer.") I`m currently working at a downtown Cincinnati Architecture firm. I eventually hope to be an architect. I need to finish my IDP hours, and take the seven sections of the ARE (Architect Registration Exam). Then I can officially call myself an architect. I have my Bachelor`s of Science in Architecture as well as my Master`s of Architecture from UC`s prestigious College of Design, Architecture, Art and Planning. The BSArch is a pre-professional degree, meaning you can`t become licensed with that degree. The MArch is a professional degree. All told, I was in college at UC for six years to get both degrees. If you were to start the program this coming fall, it is now a seven year program (four years under grad, and three years of grad school). But that is likely more than you wanted to know, right? I have a lot of fun at my job. I mean, I get paid to sometimes design stuff in SketchUp, and create renderings in Photoshop! How cool is that?

Now I can get in on the action. Blueprints are old school. Anything drawn now is a plot. In fact, I worked late today plotting drawings. Plats are an entirely different thing and not to be confused with metes and bounds!

Which makes the large gains in attendance even more remarkable.

So was this a Six Flags decision, or was it a Papa John`s decision. Or was the decision mutual?

And they seem to be successfully holding both events and making money off of both events. But aren`t most of the parks that have the Holiday in The Park in the south and not subject to cold Ohio winters? But remember, from everything I`ve heard the original Winterfest made lots of money. Granted there is more competition for the winter event market now, then there was in the late 80`s and early 90s. But still, I think it could work at KI and be successful in making Cedar Fair money.

So Six Flags saw part of its attendance boost due to its "Holiday in the Park" offering. I still maintain that if priced correctly, a winter event at Kings Island could extend the park`s season and make money for Cedar Fair at a time when most of their properties are shuttered and not making money. I don`t think they are interested in trying that right now though, unfortunately. Not to mention, the last few weekends of Haunt would be awkward as they start bringing out the decorations for the December events.

And yet, Cedar Fair attendance was UP, and per caps were down. So clearly there is a trend in there somewhere. Six Flags is doing something right. Although, I have to wonder if their expense cutting is becoming a little too obvious to park guests (loss of most licensed properties) and reduced hours at most of the parks.

I just find it a little odd that they announced 48, and then changed to 52" at KI. Did something change? Was it a park decision, manufacturer, or state decision? We may never know.

"Silly Band: The Ride?" End Jeff Siebert voice. For those that have not been around that long, this is what I was referencing: It certainly looks like it could be a silly band. I think you are onto something Kevin! The red line is definitely NOT a topography line. While the original image may show contours, I can assure you that the red line is not a contour. As I`ve said before, the grade does change quite a bit back there in the trees.

So wasn`t the original height requirement for WindSeeker 48"? I just noticed on KI`s WindSeeker website, that it now lists the height requirement as 52".