The absolute worst seat is the first seat, second car. For some reason is just beats the crap out of you. Still, what I don't understand is why all Arrow's, be they loopers or not, get rougher over time. Is it just poor maintenence or just poor design. Don't get me wrong, I love Vortex, but just like sobrider said, "you have to learn to ride it." Just pick the right seat for the ride your comfortable with!