Jerome Silberman

Excellent, the park now knows who to call when they need a model train set designed to utilize the old SOB station.

Are you a roller coaster designer?

KI ORIG EMP, for some reason your text has come up in an incredibly small Times New Roman font. I enlarged it here. Again, I'm not saying you're not allowed to have an opinion. I'm saying what you've predicted is unlikely. Sure, it's your opinion, but it's an unlikely possibility. Read into "my message" please. Again, not saying there's anything wrong with having an opinion. You submitted your opinion for discussion, I discussed it. I can have an opinion that the earth is flat, doesn't mean that the earth really is. Your opinion is that they'll re-use the station, I submitted an opinion that such a design is incredibly unlikely. Please read my posts. I never accused anyone of telling you their designs, I was questioning you when you said this: I was asking how you knew NOTHING had been designed yet? Correct, you are no different and any other KIC user who posts something has given other users the opportunity to discuss their post. Which is what I'm doing here.

Read my original post instead of ignoring it. Logic would dictate that there's no good reasoning for building an attraction to specifically suit that station or build an attraction specifically around it. How do you know nothing's been designed yet? You like to point out time and time again how they don't tell line employees things. If they're designing something, I doubt they're going to let the Pet Care Shop in on their plans.

So Don is wrong? Also, just because you "prefer" a wood coaster doesn't make it a likely possibility that the station would be reused. In fact, I'd say that it's highly unlikely. My point wasn't that you can't have an opinion, it was that your prediction is highly unlikely.

I usually remain pretty quiet on this site, but I felt obliged to reply to your post. Nothing personal, but you try to pass off a lot of your "opinions" as fact (especially posts on legal matters) and I think it's misleading no matter how many times you state the word "opinion." Just my two cents. - Just because we've seen one thing happen in the past doesn't mean history is always bound to repeat itself, especially within the amusement industry. You're talking about apples and oranges. The Vortex in many ways "filled The Bat's shoes" so to speak. Arrow designed both rides, after the first Arrow coaster there really didn't meet expectations. Given that they designed both, it doesn't surprise me at all that they retrofitted the old station or that Vortex's lift utilized the space of The Bat's first lift. However, just because the SOB station is remaining doesn't confirm for fact that the station would be used in a new design. - Also, Arrow built both rides. No one's touched Roller Coaster Corporation of America in years (did they even exist after PKI sued them and finished the ride on their own?). - No, it wouldn't make sense. It made somewhat sense in The Bat/Vortex designs given that they were the same manufacturer and designer (Ron Toomer). However, here you're assuming a lot of things. Mainly... 1) A new coaster is in fact coming. 2) That new coaster will be wooden. 3) A new wooden coaster will utilize a similar track, brake and station component structure built to the same specs as the SOB/RCCA design. Given that RCCA isn't really in the game anymore and no other manufacturer builds to that gauge, I'd find that highly unlikely. 4) The park loves that station so much they'd design an entire new ride around it. The station itself is a cheaply built, low cost structure. I doubt any manufacturer would build an entire ride around such an unglamorous structure that has no connotation to the park's past or history. The building is insignificant. - Again, assuming that a new coaster would be built to the same specs (it won't), and that a new coaster is in fact coming (possibly, but not confirmed). - Although Don posted after you, he confirmed that The Crypt building will continue to be used for a haunted house. Given that the building was designed specifically to house and operate a HUSS Giant Top Spin (which you will never see in that building again), I doubt it has any "future use" other than the one Don confirmed. The park's stated "future use" has always been for use as a haunted house. - See above comments as to why that's most likely not possible. Again: I doubt the park (or anyone for that matter) would go with RCCA if they even still exist and you're assuming that a new coaster has to be wood. - What advantage is there? None. Why would you build an entirely new ride design around an unremarkable former ride station? Retrofitting that station to include any manufacturer would be more of a headache than it's worth. - What makes the land so valuable? There's plenty of room to use for "future expansion." And the park has made it pretty clear that Halloween Haunt in recent years has become a valuable part of their operation. The station's use as a haunted house adds to the value of an incredibly profitable and popular event. It's current use is better than when it was abandoned and in the future I'd bet many nickels that it's better used as a haunted house than a new ride station. TL:DR Despite KI ORIG EMP's "opinion" that the ride station for SOB must be re-used, the obvious (and Mr. Helbig's post) states otherwise.

Remember when Brian5475E trumpeted his inside knowledge about the future of SOB and hinted that it would be saved? Don't be a Summer's Eve.

In the past, under the early days of Cedar Fair, Kings Island had a habit of advertising minimum wage increases as a "raise for our valued employees." They'd comply, then never give raises to anyone in management. There was a time when the park could attract a higher caliber employee and offered more than minimum wage and more than other businesses around it. Now, it's all about the nickel.

Being stuck on a ride for three hours is pretty unusual and I would say that warrants the event being newsworthy.

JonCars05, Just my honest takeaway from digesting this topic... I don't understand at all why you're complaining. Granted, as I mentioned before, I did not purchase a pass this season so maybe I don't get the whole fun perks deal, but this is my impression of the situation. You made a large purchase and received multiple "instant" rewards and that purchase subsequently did not appear on your fun perks account even though you received some benefits and coupons instantly. Fun Perks is not a system you have to pay to be a part of and instead comes as an extra perk to being a pass holder - you earn more perks with the more you spend, but your spending is completely discretionary. Due to confusion over how the rewards worked, you attempted to contact the park and seek out an answer. You didn't receive a clear answer and it took some time just to be communicated that they wouldn't be able to adjust your Funperks account. In the end, they offered you a coupon to save 50% on a Fast Lane ticket due to your experience. So, in the end, you lost nothing and gained a free coupon? You got instant rewards, the money spent in the first place wasn't entirely your purchase to begin with and even with that you got a ton of instant rewards. Maybe they were being honest and really can't adjust your account, this is new to them and there have been kinks before. Even with that, they still gave you something to make up for the delayed answer. Multiple members here have suggested submitting feedback through the Fun Perks website, that seems like your best option as they have had success with that. Instead, you keeping fanning the flames acting like a victim when really you still gained something. Give them your feedback, in the future hopefully they'll take it seriously and fix the system. If not, you're still receiving free benefits and how much you want to spend in the park is between you and your finances. As for the Facebook thing, the fact that you used a fake name to troll the park's Facebook and criticize them for capital expenditures built under a different owner, the dismissal of other posters polite suggestions and the general tone of your posts paints an interesting picture of how I imagine what your calls to customer service sound like. Just my impression of the situation. You still came out ahead, there's no victim here.

Just trying to clarify as I did not go with a Gold Pass this season, but it appears other people made purchases and you were using your pass to claim rewards for them. Why would you get the rewards for purchases you didn't make anyways?

Seeing these comments and the feedback users here have about Fast Lane, I think the new motto of Kings Island should be: "GREAT idea, POOR execution."

TheLip2 already has more credibility than half the kids in the SOB thread running their mouths about internet petitions and rocky mountain track. The fact that the ride has sat there for multiple season unused was the biggest clue of all. Now thanks to Mr. Lip's report, we can finally put a nail in the coffin of a ride that was never really good to begin with. Lip2, welcome!

Since there's a limit on the number sold, they shouldn't get too long. Well that's the point, they shouldn't get too long, but for all of us who visited during HH last year - they most certainly did. The Firehawk line filled up the fast pass lane all the way to the ride entrance. They were doing one entire train for Fast Lane folks and one for us "regular" people. Now tell me, how does that not effect wait times? They need to get a real thing in place, not some cheap buck a second wrist band idea. It's time they stepped up to be one of the major league parks.

Because if Halloween Haunt taught us anything last year, it's that they will do anything to avoid capping how many the sell. To implement this program has cost them very little - there's no overhead. Instead of using established systems that work efficiently like modern amusement park chains do, this company insists on using paper wristbands and bringing people in through exits. It costs them nothing and then they sell it to you and I for a price that is pure profit to them. All you have to do is look back to Halloween Haunt. Did you see the Fast Lane line for Firehawk? It extended all the way down that ramp to the entrance on most Saturdays! They were using one train for Fast Lane and one train for regular guests. Neither line was moving quick. Now this year, they've added "more rides." Doesn't that sound exciting? Except, look at the other rides! Scrambler, Zephyr!? Those rides never have lines anyways. I guarantee you that someone in an office up high thought to themselves: "If we offer more rides, we'll spread all the Fast Lane users out and then we can sell more!" Yeah, like people are gonna go use their pass on the Dodgem instead of using an unlimited line cutting pass on the good rides.

^As did I. When I was a "kid," every place I worked offered something similar. When I worked in restaurants, you got free food or discounted meals etc. That's why I'm curious to hear Gary's experiences. Apparently under Paramount it was run by the park and offered cheap prices to employees and then Cedar Fair contracted it out. All the folks I knew who worked there used to pack.

Gary, would love to hear your thoughts on what the cafeteria was like back then. As others have noted on these forums, it is now called "Cornerstone Cafe" apparently named after something to do with Cedar Fair's guidelines or something. Back when you were there, who ran it and was the food any good? It's a shame, apparently these days they contract its operation out to a vendor (who pays rent to Cedar Fair) who charges relatively high prices to kids who already don't make much money. This coming from a company who claims they gave employees pay raises when they simple follow Federal minimum wage laws, I'm not surprised.