bradb055 Posted November 5, 2003 Share Posted November 5, 2003 Ok, I was thinking that since SoB is supposed to be the "son" of The Beast, they should share some of the same ride elements... but do they? Have you ever wondered why SoB is not a terrain coaster like its "father?" Or, why SoB doesnt have tunnels? If you were the designer of SoB what would, if anything, would you change about the track layout or the trains? What elements does The Beast have on it that should have been incorperated in SoB? What did the designers of SoB do a good job of in designing SoB? And of coarse, what does SoB do a better job of when compared to The Beast or vis-versa? Ill add my two cents later on but for now let me here what you have to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterrz Posted November 5, 2003 Share Posted November 5, 2003 Well, for starters, Son of Beast is sort of a terrain coaster. Ever noticed how the lift sits on the hill and the drop sits in a valley that was once home to a creek (that creek was channeled through a pipe during construction of SoB)? The track doesn`t follow the contours of the land like its dad, but it still utilizes the land to achieve maximum height. The one thing I think SoB needs are some tunnels. That is the one aewsome thing about The Beast is the screech from the trains roaring thorugh the tunnel. Rumor is that the ride was designed to have tunnels added. I for one would like to see tunnels added. Other than that, they need to do a lot of TLC to make it smoother, my last two rides on it this year were brutal and I actually considered not reriding it, ever becuase of how rough it was. However, after the BB tour Jeff said that the smoothness is a work in progress and the Park has been trying new methods to smooth out the ride. He also said that they`ll work on extensively over the upcoming offseasons so that it will get progressively smoother over the coming years. Other than that, the view from the lift is quite spetacular of the park and surrounding area, unfortunately you can`t enjoy it very long! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beastfreak Posted November 5, 2003 Share Posted November 5, 2003 Lets see here, Beast is wood... SOB is wood... Beast is the largest in length... SOB is largest of any wood... Beast has helix... SOB has helix... Beast is older so less tricks... SOB is younger so can do flips and more helixes than its old man... If I were the one to design the ride... I would never have made it so huge, or would have put it closer to The Beast to use those wonderful valley's and drops in land like The Beast does. Of course there would be more drops with plenty of air time all while twisting and turning through the trees and still somehow put a loop in there to throw you off balance. I think SOB is good but it needs more near it like we've been saying in other threads. My idea would be to build up more coasters in the future that surround the ride or intertwine with the structure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOB/Gun Steve-O Posted November 5, 2003 Share Posted November 5, 2003 I'm a little suprised nobody has said anything about the leg room, or lack of it, on SOB. But I think that they had to design the trains in a certain way to keep it from being torn apart from the forces of the ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted November 5, 2003 Share Posted November 5, 2003 Yes, they did have to design SOB's trains a certain way to handle the forces of the ride, and many other factors, but I am sure Premier could have done a MUCH better job at designing the trains. Sonny has a lot of potential, but that potential is basically crapped upon by those poorly designed and engineered trains, and I wouldn't be too suprised if we see a new fleat of trains coming in SOB's future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIMMY JAMZ Posted November 5, 2003 Share Posted November 5, 2003 I think tunnels would be a good idea.If I was the designer of the ride I think I would of changed a few things.First I like the drop out of the station the lift the first little TEASER drop the, big drop is awsome.But after that I think I would of maybe changed the route.After the top of the Swoop and you drop into the first helix I would of maybe lowered that and then had the thing dissapear into the woods instead of doint the helix so soon.Maybe a few bunny hops a couple turns and near misses with the trees in the woods.(LIKE FATHER LIKE SON) then had it reapear on an upwards kinda thingthen have it do the helix thing then up to the top and then the loop.I still think the loop should of been positioned so a part of the track could of went through it.The problems I see with these ideas are they would of added substantially to the legnth of the ride and I think they were definatley concerned with that when they built it.If you think about it they could of added alot to the end of the ride after it leaves the second helix and before it turns around and heads back to the station.It still has lots of speed at that point.But they wanted to preserve The BeastS record which I agree with.But hey its still a great ride(even if its a little rough)I will ride it no matter what they do to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losing Streak Posted November 5, 2003 Share Posted November 5, 2003 I think SOB is just so ugly in the skyline... I love how you can't see The Beast at all really, and I love the color of the wood it uses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fryler87 Posted November 5, 2003 Share Posted November 5, 2003 I personally dislike the cars/trains on SoB...PTC trains are the best! They have the most legroom and you don't feel like you're sitting in a hole. New rolling stock on SoB would be GREAT as long as they would rethink the design of the cars. As for the layout, I'm fine with it. There's really not much other way to incorporate a loop on a woodie than that. Remember, friction causes things to slow to a stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadley Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 I think tunnels are a must in the near future, as well as, TLC that was mentioned earlier, (though I have to admit, Sunday night was probably the smoothest ride on SOB I've had before. And since it was cool outside I was surprised, because from what I heard wood expands during the heat, and shrinks in cooler weather. I would've thought it would've been a rougher ride.) Correct me if I'm wrong...please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DegenRider Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 I disagree. PTC trains are good in some cases and in others they suck. Ever road Raging Wolf Bob's at SFWOA? Thats a case of bad PTC's. Plus PTC's would be bad for the speed and the loop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradb055 Posted November 7, 2003 Author Share Posted November 7, 2003 OK here is my two cents... SoB is a totoaly diffrent type of ride that The Beast. They do share some similarities but not many. First, SoB has a double helix, but it doesnt compare to The Beast's. Second, SoB needs tunnels. This is what makes The Beast so well known (along with many other features). Third, The Beast is known for its 2 lift hills and following the terrain through the woods, SoB doesnt do that! SoB is not a terrain coaster at all. It may use the terrain to lengthen some of the drops but a true terrain coaster stays close to the ground. Ok, thats my complaints here is what I do like about SoB when compared to The Beast. 1. Blazzin speed! 2. Invertion... SoB keept with the wood tradtional lab bars, even if there uncofotable. 3. SoB does attempt to recreate the thrill of the double helix(even if its just not the same). 4. The length of the coaster is great (even if it goes by as one big blur). 5. The only part of the coaster that can be seen is the lift hill... Just like The Beast. Everything else is pretty much left a mystery until you ride it. Over all I do really like the SOB. I just wish it was more of a terrain coaster with tunnels. The only reason, that I can think of, that it is not just like its father, is to bring some varitiy to the park. Two of the exact same coasters in one park is not a good thing. Plus, SoB feels like a controlled train wreck! Ill always ride it no matter what I like or dislike about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted November 10, 2003 Share Posted November 10, 2003 I agree. The helix's just aren't the same. The helix is the best part on The Beast, but it's painful and monotinous on SOB in my opinion. I've heard comments from people who have similar opinions. Why do you think that is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fusion Posted November 10, 2003 Share Posted November 10, 2003 My rides on SOB are actually getting better and better so, whatever PKI is doing to help with the smoothing out process, it's working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKI Homey Posted November 10, 2003 Share Posted November 10, 2003 I think that the two main differences in the designs is that The Beast is a terrain coaster while Son of Beast is more of a wooden twister. I love that SOB has two helices, one that spins you one direction while the other spins you in the opposite direction. The loop is to die for. I think that the only major improvement that SOB needs is at least one tunnel and a reworking of the trains. I think that the trains are the major reason that it is not a smoother ride. Hopefully, if PKI is not going to build a new coaster in 2005, they will bring someone in to fix the train problems. After that, SOB would arguably be the best wooden coaster next to The Beast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOB_TOM Posted November 11, 2003 Share Posted November 11, 2003 Question for those who think SOB should be a terrain coaster: Why? The park already has the best terrain coaster ever manufactured, so why would they build a coaster that would essentially compete with The Beast? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradb055 Posted November 11, 2003 Author Share Posted November 11, 2003 Good Point! I Just would have like to have seen it as a terrain coaster since it is named after the greatest terrain coaster. It only makes sense to me. Otherwise, I dont think it should have been affiliated with The Beast. Other than that, your right; two of the same coasters, in one park, is not a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shedevilonsob Posted November 11, 2003 Share Posted November 11, 2003 but if you think about it then why should they have renamed the kiddie coaster beastie it is nothing like The Beast at all either the only thing i can say is thing are fime just the way that they are and i am happy to say that i was an was a crew memeber of the ride that everyone brings down!!!!! so please watch what you say about sob i love it just the way it is!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby_Doo Posted November 11, 2003 Share Posted November 11, 2003 I like Big Poppa Beast better than SOB because Sob is Rough and Jerky! and the Carts on sob are so small there isnt a enough leg space!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoObKiNoS Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 Personally tunnels would of been nice. But we wont see those. New trains in the future??? VERY doubtfull, especially with the padded lap bars we got this year. Plus look at it this way...every single coaster in the park is operating with its original trains. In something like The Racer's case, its trains are 32 years old now. So yea, being that this will be the ride's 5th year...dont see new trains anytime soon. Plus, anyone who knows anything about the TG situation that i will not explain, knows that a new train isnt something thats cheap. Let's just say you could buy King Cobra for the price of a new train. Do they want to spend that kind of money???? I dunno. Maybe. They should, grant it we all know that, but will they. Not likley. So everyone, get over it, the ride is going to have those trains for a while. Something i would actually like to see added is a little more rock and bumps to the ride...i mean a wood coaster is supposed to be a lil bouncy right?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 but if you think about it then why should they have renamed the kiddie coaster beastie it is nothing like The Beast at all either the only thing i can say is thing are fime just the way that they are and i am happy to say that i was an was a crew memeber of the ride that everyone brings down!!!!! so please watch what you say about sob i love it just the way it is!!!! At least The Beastie has a tunnel... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shedevilonsob Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 browntggrr, you missed the point there is no point in bringing this topic up because they named ti the way that they wanted to and to add on that they would not rename it just because a few fans of the park think that it should have no relation tho it father The Beast! i think what every on in this thing needs to know is that it was noamed that for a reason and that is that!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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