homestar92 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 The new Flying Turns at Knoebels is technically wooden, and it has more than one lift. It is the only other wooden coaster I can think of. Depending on how nitpicky you want to be, one COULD argue that The Racer at Kennywood is one wooden coaster with two lift hills If you asked many members of the general public, they might tell you that Adventure Express is a woodie with two lifts (don't laugh, I know MANY people who think AE is a wooden coaster) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kblanken Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 On a few of the hills on our Racer, there is a little section of lift chain at the top. Even if they are only utile when the train is extra sluggish, would those be able to be considered lift hills too? (I think the third and fifth hills have them.) The way some people talk about how far the ride originally went up The Beast's second lift hill before the chains kicked in, it almost seems like the same concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homestar92 Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 On a few of the hills on our Racer, there is a little section of lift chain at the top. Even if they are only utile when the train is extra sluggish, would those be able to be considered lift hills too? (I think the third and fifth hills have them.) The way some people talk about how far the ride originally went up The Beast's second lift hill before the chains kicked in, it almost seems like the same concept. I don't think there is actually a chain on those segments, I think they're just anti-rollbacks. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kblanken Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Suppposing a train gets stuck on those anti-rollbacks, how do they make it resume the course? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedevariouseffect Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Winch it probably, or remove the trains from the track and put them back on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire-Beast-OF FEAR Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 During an earlier era in The Racer's life (1980's I think) during early morning testing the ride would often get stuck in between hills 3 and 4 due to lack of weight and sometimes colder temperatures. This was solved by adding a small chain lift on hill 4 to allow the ride to get over the hill and compete the course. Later the ride somehow stopped needing the extra boost so the chain was removed and only anti-rollbacks were needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kblanken Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 This image I found shows what looks like a little chain return thing under the ride: http://www.coasterimage.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/racer051.jpg ( http://www.coasterimage.com/portfolio/racer-pictures-2/ ) Hmm, maybe I just remember it from a long time ago when it did have a chain. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaiderFTW Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I feel like I've seen a chain there before, within the past 6 years. It hasn't been for a while, though. Maybe Don can straighten this out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homestar92 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I'm just glad to know that my abuse of what I call "cheater chain" in Roller Coaster Tycoon is an actual thing that really happens in the industry. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveinphoenix Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 As far as how do they get the train back to the station if it gets stuck between to hills. I "think" they use winches and/or pulleys to just get it to the top of the next hill and let gravity an momentum take over. Unless there is something broken on the train...in which case I am going to guess they fix it where it sits then pull it up the apex of the next hill. I could be wrong though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcgoble3 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Last season when Millennium Force valleyed on Dino Island or whatever they call it now, they actually disassembled the train and took it back to the transfer track piece by piece. When Maverick valleyed on the same day, they just winched it to the top of the next loop and let it go from there. For more on those incidents, see this thread: http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php/topic/27353-millie-maverick-valley-at-cp/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kblanken Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Which doesn't fully give insight on what Kings Island would do if a Racer train was stuck on a mid-course anti-rollback run. Was having the chain still attached enough of an encumbrance to warrant removing it? Perhaps they found that when the trains were switched to the current heavy heavy hippos (compared to the trains with the old style of restraints), that there was nevermore an issue with clearing the hill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 The chains referred to ran early each season for many years, including after the train modifications. As each season progressed, they were annually removed for the remainder of the season. A view early this season may or may not be instructive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoF96" Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I could be wrong but within the past 3 or so years I could have sworn there was a chain inside the anti rollback, but it didnt look like it was on a motor it just seemed to be laying in between the anti rollback as if the train were stuck possibly moving the chain onto moto would be a possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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