Monroe

Because my post was not all about you. Did I ever say you were wrong, no. I quoted you because I agreed with some of the things you said AND because you asked about the steam. It was SOB_TOM who mentioned the person that I was speaking of the "master-board". Also if you read, all I said was, In addition I was trying to say that the reason that the ride is down does not have to do with a problem within the PLC, "there was no ONE master board that just "went out." In addition I wasnt trying to prove that there werent cabinets full of boards and relays on it, I was trying to say that the problem was not within the relay cabinets. BOTTOM LINE: The ride has many cabinets filled with relays, wires, and boards that are all programmed through a desktop computer with the ride program on it. Every time the ride runs the computer watches to make sure the ride hits every mark, doesnt trip any faults, doesnt exert to much power etc. Currently Tomb Raider the Rides problems, lie outside the realm of computer problems. Their current issues are a much more... mechanical... Since you did not answer my question then I will not cut you any slack. Don't quote me and then give the impression that the quote is wrong, if I am wrong about some thing I usually am the first to admit it. If you quote some one and agree with them, then say that you agree with them. Don't make comments that make it sound like you are trying to correct the quote. My BOTTOM LINE is make comments that are appropriate to the person you are quoting. I personally don't care what is wrong with the ride, I have my own problems with the equipment I am working on. Also I thought that SOB_TOM was answering my question to Boddah1994 about his avatar, and had nothing to do with TR:TR. Boddah1994 answered that question before you even quoted me.

^I told you that you were providing us with good press releases!! Now what about one for the other topic?

^you have been providing us with some pretty good press releases lately, so YES!!!!!!!!!

^We don't have confirmation that he is 250lbs. until then it is a rumor.

QUOTE A"PLC" is just a form of a control board, there are several names it can go by. DCU, PCU, UCI, MCU, PLC, I could go on for about 10 lines. All of them are run from an external program and control relays either internal or external from the individual boards. Just because some one knows what that control device is called, does not mean that that individual knows how it all works. I personally have not worked on TR;TR, but I have worked on rides that are very similar. All of them have been different from one another, so I can not say for a fact how the ride is controlled. If it does use "PLC's", then I would Imagen it has several boards with external relays. But that is just a guess. I never said you were wrong. I know what a PLC is, I've been inside all the cabinets before, Hell I've seen the cabinets removed and lying on the floor, and YES I know how they work. I've watched as the program was edited, and changed, and changed some more. I've watched as relays were replaced and redirected. All I was trying to say was that the ride program is not just a bios on a circuit board that just went out. Infact there wasnt anything that just "went out." Well of course right now the ride is facing some troubles that could cause it to be down all season... But that's beside the point; and that doesnt have anything to do with the ride program or the show program... End Quote. From DeLorean Rider Then why did you quote me in the first place and say that there is no ONE master board that just "went out", when I did not say there was just One master board, or any thing that just "went out". That is why I came back with the quote above. As for watching some one else program a "Ladder Logic" sequence, I have done that plenty of times. As a matter of fact I have programmed "Ladder Logic" to accept a sequence operation, it's called a DDC Direct Digital Control sequence. There are hundreds of programs just like "Ladder Logic", all of them use DDC. You are throwing around terms that sound fancy, but are really just every day control devices to those who work in the industry. On top of that, you are putting words on my keyboard, and I don't like that. That is why I wanted to point out that knowing a term or watching some one do some thing is nothing special and does not constitute knowledge of some thing. On the lighter side, I will cut you some slack if you can answer this question correctly. Is a standard wall light switch an analog or digital device? I don't mean to get on your case, but it just gets my goat when some one acts like they know more than they really do. Granted I work in the industry and I may be a little more critical than others who may know very little on the control topic, but I also do not want any one to be miss led with big words. That is why I try to keep it simple.

You should not have any problem enjoy.

Non taken, except for the avatar!

I don't know if you were talking about me but I was there opening day too, with a girl friend (8 years later to become my wife), 3/4 of the way through collage, and on top of the world. Well until I came down from the Eiffel Tower. Don't under estimate us old fogies, it can be compared to a race between a Hummer and a Mustang. The Mustang can't go any where under the Hummer tires!!!!

That's a good one, when you play OSU you have to take your pads off for it to hurt!!!!! Well with ND you can leave your pads on, it's going to hurt either way!!!!!!!!!

The growing Inspirational Baptist Church..........Featuring the worlds largest baptismal font!!!!!!!!!!!!!

^Yes, some for just a matter of days. One that I know of was only shut down for that night and re-opened in the morning. (Gold coast Australia). Others were shut down for weeks.

Yes, but only one rail. (Monroe who only has one more day at BonBon-Land before he heads to Germany)

SOB_TOM is correct. The ride is run by a series of PLC's all linked through a desktop computer. The program for the ride is created in a program called Ladder Logic. It can be edited, changed, reprogrammed at the touch of a button. Though there are many relay cabinets, there is no ONE master board that just "went out". Also yes the boiler is not on. As steam is created by Boiling water, yes the boiler is not on means no steam. The boiler has not been inspected since April of 2006 (as of the inspection log on the boiler), even though the boiler has not been used since the 2005 season. This bums out employees as the heating of the building was also connected to the boiler. As for the scenery, like said, it is ALL on large casters so that it can be eaisly moved as it is every off season. There are two 20ft roll up doors on either side of the back wall of the building. Fun fact: In winterfest the parade was run the same way every night. Because of this after the park closed it was run backwards to re-park the floats. However, if there was a storm or something that caused the backwards run not to be possible, the floats would be stored inside Tomb Raider. A"PLC" is just a form of a control board, there are several names it can go by. DCU, PCU, UCI, MCU, PLC, I could go on for about 10 lines. All of them are run from an external program and control relays either internal or external from the individual boards. Just because some one knows what that control device is called, does not mean that that individual knows how it all works. I personally have not worked on TR;TR, but I have worked on rides that are very similar. All of them have been different from one another, so I can not say for a fact how the ride is controlled. If it does use "PLC's", then I would Imagen it has several boards with external relays. But that is just a guess. The steam part I was talking about his avatar, I got it confused with the Cincinnati Steam, an amateur baseball team. The avatar is from a B league hockey team.

^Ha.......I guess you do have to wait for the ice to form!!!!!

^ok I may be traveling a lot but I thought the article said it was an amateur baseball team? And it is baseball season right? Not unless they play on the ice. Well I could not find a web site for them and I was curious, so fill me in. I have to be at the park by 8:00 and it is 7:35 (Denmark) so I will keep an eye on this thread later. Thanks.

He could be talking about the control board for the ride. The program is run by a pc but the actual commands come from a separate board that is usually a series of relays that tell the ride what to do. (what motor to run and in what direction). Also by saying "The boiler is not on" do you mean the Steam?

^not to get off topic, (ok I will) How are the steam doing? I haven't heard any thing since the news article back in May or June.

^Well it's kind of hard to see from Denmark, but I will see what Google Earth shows, and get back to you.

I am certainly not putting words on Interps keyboard but I think he is saying the same thing when I say this. RCDB.com picks and chooses what they define as a "roller coaster", and the enthusiast community looks to that web site for info more than can be imagined. The whole industry does. There is no real set in stone definition for "roller coaster", yes it is in Webster's, but what I am trying to say is the definition varies depending on who you are talking about. This is true even from one manufacture to another. RCDB.com is a good web site, don't get me wrong, but they tend to pick and choose there definitions to certain words and they are not the only ones. Besides in my opinion 1, 10, or 50 roller coasters it doesn't matter to me, as long as I am having fun.

^Because rcdb.com can't keep up with the coasters they have listed. If they listed all of the skaters or rail riders too, they would be in over there heads. (personal opinion of course)

^That is considered a powered coaster. http://www.rcdb.com/ir.htm?cls=278

Looking north over the river and a wonderfull view of Arc de Triomphe is the best. Although on a clear day looking east to south east you can see Notre Dame de Paris.

^ what's "Firehawh" That sounds fun!!!!

Replicas at any size, are just not the same after you have eaten on the second level. I could have been eating McDonalds and it would have tasted good with that view. http://www.restaurants-toureiffel.com/engl...our-eiffel.html

They could do a lot of things. But the point I am making is if they build there, they will be cutting off TR;TR back stage area from the access road and breaking the illusion by making the back stage area visible from a stage area. A ride like TR;TR is very temper mental and needs a lot of attention, that alone would make it difficult to have an uninterrupted stage area behind it.