silver2005

Uh..have guys seen how much room Montu, Alpengiest and Katun take up?

I just got back from the Balloon Glow at Coney Island, and I must say, it was a tremendous experience for me as a musician. It was a real treat for me to have played there, in a jazz band no less, much like Moonlite Gardens once brought in those many years ago. I know we played across from it in the gazebo, but I still count it as having played there. We pulled out tunes like In The Mood, American Patrol, and Tequila and it went extremely well. Mark that as another famous venue I've played, with a list including Madison Square Gardens, the Superdome, and Ohio Stadium.

Apparently, our band will be trading tunes with the Anderson Township Symphony Orchestra. Should be some good live music for the event. We'll be at the gazebo, plus we have a singer. There is also the possibility we may have a Dixieland Band with us as well.

OzIris doesn't have that pre-drop dip either. http://rcdb.com/9675.htm?p=36614

Maverick never held any records except to pad CP's coaster count record at the time. The ride never held any of the records you're bringing up.

I would like to make a request for people taking pictures. If you can from the ground, try to line up a shot straight on with the footers for the alleged station and brakes to see what lies in a straight line from said footers. I'd like to see how close rides like Adventure Express, Flight of Fear, and Firehawk come if there is a lift straight out from that point.

^I wonder what his definition of 'great shape' is....

Actually...a coaster with 8 inversions would be the most of any in North America. I could also see this going for longest and/or tallest/fastest as well in the full circuit category given the amount of land to work with. The likes of Alpengeist, Montu and Katun sprawl out over a pretty large area and KI has some interesting terrain to work with in that area. If we're still talking giga, which I won't completely dismiss, it would probably go behind X-base with a turn around somewhere behind Dinosaur's Alive, though they'd probably have to move the fireworks launch area in that case. It would certainly interact with X-base in some form given how this looks to be angled. I don't think it would pull a Leviathan and interact with the midways as there looks to be an awful lot of congestion if it turns towards Coney Mall or Oktoberfest. I know the notion that'd if they would find ways to make the room for it, but frankly, I don't see the park doing that. Just a few guesses.

I think it's pretty clear how the park is going to stick by it's timeline to open in May 2014. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWs3PlIrRCg

I am just saying that based on CF's pattern since they started installing hypers in 08. CP has a giga, KD giga, CW giga, KI's turn next year would make sense. Just looking at the amount of land that is clear, the ride it is replacing, and the natural progression of things makes me believe that it will be a giga and not a dated invert. And I will rebut that by saying that the footers don't give that sort of evidence to me. The paired sets of footers look like that of an inverted coaster's a-frames which support the brake runs and stations of every one of their type. Also, it is your opinion that they are dated. They only reason they aren't built a lot any more is because most major parks have a full circuit inverted coaster already, B&M or otherwise. I think an inverted coaster would be a great addition to the park as much as a giga would be, and as someone who enjoys B&M inverts, that would be awesome in my eyes. Also, the only reason that much land was cleared is because that was the land SOB inhabited. Remember, SOB was over 7,000 ft long. They wouldn't have just taken down specific sections and leave up the rest. When you take down a ride, you take down the whole thing. They haven't cleared any tree's along the perimeter where SOB's rose bowl used to be yet, which also indicates to me that the project is smaller than what most are guessing.

Some of you on the whole "why people think this is better than that?" need a little psychology 101. All people tend to view the world differently when it comes to feeling forces on different rides and, in relevance to this discussion, viewing which manufactures are 'better'. Why can't some of you just accept that people like a manufacture you happen to not like? People are allowed to have different view points. People's nervous systems are wired differently, even down to how we perceive touch and tolerances to different forces, not unlike what you get on amusement park rides. For example, I find B&M's to be quite forceful. All the ones I've been on I've either had near grey outs or even black outs (on Six Flags Great Adventure's Batman and Raptor). I say Diamondback is a fantastic ride, my favorite steel coaster even over Millennium Force and Maverick. That's not saying I don't like Intamins, which I do, but come on, lighten up and allow people to speak their minds.

Well, you kind of just made a statement with no rhyme or reason. For example, how can you tell with the given evidence that its a giga? It kind of comes out of left field just making the statement "Looks like a giga" and not say anything else.

I'll be there on the 3rd with the UC jazz band playing tenor sax.

what paired footers, there aren't that many, the real action is going to take place where all the land is cleared, if it is anything but a giga, i'll be suprised Ok, look by what will probably be the station and train shed area. The set of footers which will support the main track IMO have footers which will have supports on both sides of the track, which means it would be for an inverted coaster as all B&M inverted and flying coasters have those A-frame type of supports for the final brakes/train shed/station. Sit downs of any kind have single tube supports at those areas. Go compare the supports of ANY inverted coaster to any sit down coaster at those specific areas and you'll see what I mean.

^Actually yeah...all of them.

I definitely think all those paired footers look like they'll be for A-frames similar to an inverted coaster. I don't see a pattern like that on any B&M coaster above the track.

I'm going to throw a monkey wrench about something I potentially see. In thinking outside the box, what if, perhaps, the ride's end could be coming from the direction of Adventure Express instead of going into the lift, and the station is facing towards the old SOB site instead of towards Action Zone? In other words, reverse the direction of previous drawings and sketch ups. Remember, we still have yet to see how the footers down in the valley line up.

Went to KI today and took a look from the telescopes atop the Eiffel Tower. Lots of rebar at the end of Flight Deck's helix as well as digging going on further down the hill. Those footers are HUGE. There was also this weird green pipe thing sticking up close to Delirium.

TR June 25th, 2013 This was more of a fun day at the park. It was pretty hot and muggy today, so I took my time and had fun with things. I'll let my ride list speak for itself Racer Vortex Beast Diamondback Eiffel Tower Congo Falls Flight Deck Drop Tower Delirium Adventure Express Zephyr Dodgems White Water Canyon Backlot Stunt Coaster I tried to sneak some of the Coney Mall flats in there as I needed a break from thrill rides and lines were pretty short save for White Water Canyon and Flight of Fear's atrocious line. Most rides were either walk on or per normal for a Tuesday in June. However, the air started to feel really warm and muggy after lunch, which combined with some of the more intense rides, did a number on me. I didn't get sick or anything, but after I got off of Backlot, I was drained. I probably should have looked at going to Soak City today. Overall though, it was a fun day and nice to have a spin on some of the Coney Mall flat rides I usually neglect to ride. I also took a break after WWC and spent $4 in quarters blasting people with water cannons, which is always a fun diversion. There are a few rides to note though. Beast had a bit of a temper today with the heat and all the faster turns were a bit uncomfortable. Diamondback on the other hand ran absolutely great today. Rode in 3-2 today and the floater air was out of this world. There was also some digging going on at the base of Vortex's lift as well. Don't know what that was all about.

^That doesn't mean the forums should be totally un-moderated.

^But why is it listed under coasters and thrill rides while the coasters are specifically under coasters and none of the other disko models are under coasters? RCDB doesn't consider them coasters either.

Did a little research on Zamperla's website, the designers of Surf Dog. Their Disko models aren't considered coasters by their own designer. http://www.zamperla.com/en/zamperla-products-rides-family_rides

Actually, Alpengiest is the tallest B&M/full circuit inverted coaster. The actual tallest inverted coaster is Wicked Twister at 215 ft. And for those who are picky, the fact its a shuttle coaster doesn't take away that it is still an inverted coaster.

I had an incident on Firehawk once a few years back in which the line extended past the main entrance. When I reached that point, in full view of a ride associate no less, we witnessed a woman cutting in the line, yet they didn't stop her. I then asked why they didn't do anything and they actually defended the woman, even though I asked about the park's line jumping policy which I had a map in hand too which told of the policy. The associate then threatened to call security on me (he also called up 2 more employees working Firehawk at the time), which I then just gave up as I was in a lose-lose situation. I got angry enough to get out of line right then and there and went to Guest Services to file my complaint, which when I got back to the Firehawk queue, the associate in question was pulled away by an area manager. I realize they can't catch them all, but really, not stopping it as it's happening?

OTSR's exist for good reason. Imagine if you will the amount of movement your upper body, more specifically, your neck, goes through on an average ride on a coaster with OTSR's, particularly on Arrows and high intensity Intamins. Now imagine that kind of movement without them. I believe the whole idea is to limit the amount of room your neck has to move, so whether your head is straight or turned, you won't snap your neck through a high g transition (especially on the likes of Maverick and I305). Yes, techniques like heart-lining do help, but they only do so much. My only pet peeve with OTSR's is why they don't have anything softer for your head to hit against instead of the rubber-esque material of the restraint. Yes, I'm aware that some coasters have been converted from OTSR's to lap bars, but I have to question some of those decisions like lap bars on a boomerang or an SLC (yes, both exist). Even FoF kind of pushes it a bit in the 2nd half with all those s-curves w/o an OTSR, not that I'm complaining.