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alsoran last won the day on December 16 2020

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  1. What a blessing that the difference in opinion here is able to be talked about and not a full fledged finger pointing argument. The Fauci’s wife argument is a hidden agenda item probably not found in Google. I was not the one to do the research, as I struggle with time, but the research was done by a good friend that I find trustworthy. Anyway, I was utilizing the Reagan quote as a idea that we don’t need the government to take care of us. We should be intelligent enough to make our own decisions based on facts we have available. It will always be difficult to influence others when there is so much false doctrine available. Best case we have is to take what we have and make our best educated decision. I will always respect others opinions, even when it becomes difficult to show that in a post. I posted my comment about natural immunity to show there have been studies that show different. Israel’s may not be peer reviewed, but I have seen 2 others as well that represent about the same thing. I will not tell anyone they are wrong for getting the vaccine. I just believe in antibodies, doesn’t mean anyone else has to. It is my choice to feel this way, and if I am wrong, so be it. If God calls me home because I get the virus again, so be it. I am ready to go. Proof shows the vaccine doesn’t provide immunity. Nobody asked the question why we changed the definition of the vaccine? You can still get the virus and you can still pass it on. I am in the age group that has a 99% survivability, so this is my belief in no need for a vaccine that we will not know what will happen in 5 years. Just a thought, they thought agent orange was safe at one time. Again, this is my opinion, nothing more.
  2. COVID affected me because my uncle died of it. He refused to get vaccinated and his last days on this Earth were spend fighting for is life and in pain. His last words were (as so many others have conveyed on a ventilator) "I wish I would have gotten the darn vaccination". I am sorry to hear about your uncle. I have one of my best friends that passed due to COVID. This is a very touchy subject as many look at this as an argument waiting to happen. We have been so divided on the issue because of the lack of credible information. Government forcing vaccines does not help promote the willingness to get it. Ronald Reagan said (paraphrased) the scariest words to hear are, Hi, I'm from the government and I am here to help. That raises questions in my mind as to why is our government pushing this? You have stated that the Israel research has not been peer reviewed, but has it been disputed? Another question, can you find a study to show the antibodies are not effective? I don't believe the CDC, Fauci, or the FDA. I have reasons behind this, one of which is the FDA approval of the Pfizer vaccine was through Fauci's wife's company. Conflict of interest? Things are not adding up to me.
  3. As I will respect your thoughts on this, I believe the Israel study disputes this. I think the Cleveland Clinic also did a study on this that contradicts your statement. I am not a scientist, I don't play one on TV, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but I, in my opinion, would tend to think natural immunity would be greater than a vaccine in any case. I remember when my daughter was young and we took her to a friends because their son had chicken pox. There was not a vaccine at the time and kids do m=better with the handling of this, so better to get here immune. Why is this different? I don't know, but I would think it should be better. Don't take this as the chicken pox are the same, they aren't. I don't know any have died from the pox, this is different, I understand that. I think the studies that are out may show that, but it depends on where you look for the info. The study from Israel shows that you are 6 to 13 times more likely to get infected with the vaccine, compared to those who have had COVID. https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/312637 Personally, everyone I know that has had COVID and recovered and got the vaccine, has become very sick. All have been down for at least a week and a couple for 3 weeks and hospitalized. We are not seeing that anywhere, are we? I am not saying that everyone who has had COVID will get sick from the vaccine, it is just that all that I know have. You can draw your own conclusions from that.
  4. This will be my end of the conversation. I never said the vaccine was not effective. What I said is that we do not know the effects for years down the road. I explained my outlook for why I am not interested in getting it. And no, I don’t always wear a seatbelt. It is more so I don’t get a ticket. Anyway, I will recommend anyone that wants the vaccine to get it, but to look into all that is hidden as side effects. You apparently, took this personal, and what seemed to be a direct attack on me and my statement. The facts need to be out, but the problem is they are being censored. All I have asked is to do your diligence into all you can find on this and ask the right questions. Dr. Fauci and the CDC are not a good source, as they have proven to go back and forth, my guess (only opinion) is that is where the money is coming from. We should have the freedom to speak on how we feel and believe without being attacked. And, your statement said my belief in God and the understanding of this was a direct attack, saying it was a cop out. Maybe you do believe in the vaccine, good for you. I think it does have a purpose, but not for me. A natural antibody will be what I would rely on. And just so you know, no I do not get a flu shot. I don’t get the other yearly vaccines either. I am not a pincushion, nor do I plan to be. I am sorry this turned into an argument, it was only a word explaining things that need to be brought out into the open so people can decide for themselves. If you want the vaccine get it, I am not opposed. If you don’t want it, I will support that as well. That is all. Have a good day.
  5. If vaccines work, how did we have 24 test positive? Doesn't matter how many total, it shows that vaccines are not the perfect answer. The 74% were vaccinated in New England, but you ignored that. You want to argue, I am posting what I have read and facts that have been provided in other places. You don't have to listen to what I say, your choice. The best thing I can say is question what everyone says. We don't have to argue, you don't have to attack, as I will not say you are a copout because you don't believe. That is your choice. You can believe in a vaccine that we don't know what will happen, but I am not. Not when I have a natural immunity from antibodies.
  6. Believe it or not, I am not anti vaccine. It may sound that way, but I am pro choice in receiving it. The 2 studies I have seen on if the natural antibodies are equivalent to the vaccine, have shown they are maybe equal to or even better than the vaccine. Both were well respected places to perform the tests. I have personally seen the ones that have had COVID and then have gotten the vaccine have gotten very sick, some up to 3 weeks long. Science says that we have an ability to fight off infection from many forms. Our bodies adapt. And, also, since I am in a 99.98% rate of survival, I am willing to accept the consequences. For those who are shouting, what about everyone else? The ones who are vaccinated can pass this along, just like the unvaccinated. That is fact. Breakout in New England had 74% infected were breakthrough cases. Carnival Cruise has 24 cases on a ship where they all had to be vaccinated. If you fear, get the vaccine, not knowing that in 5 years an arm may fall off (this will most likely not happen, I am being very out of the box. Remember Agent Orange was thought to be fine as well). If you have faith in the vaccine, does it matter that someone else is not vaccinated? I choose to let my God given body the ability to do its job. If God then decides to take me home from this virus, so be it.
  7. Let’s laugh a little ABBOTT AND COSTELLO’S ‘WHO’S BEEN VACCINATED?’ Bud: ‘You can’t come in here!’ Lou: ‘Why not?’ Bud: ‘Well because you’re unvaccinated.’ Lou: ‘But I’m not sick.’ Bud: ‘It doesn’t matter.’ Lou: ‘Well, why does that guy get to go in?’ Bud: ‘Because he’s vaccinated.’ Lou: ‘But he’s sick!’ Bud: ‘It’s alright. Everyone in here is vaccinated.’ Lou: ‘Wait a minute. Are you saying everyone in there is vaccinated?’ Bud: ‘Yes.’ Lou: ‘So then why can’t I go in there if everyone is vaccinated?’ Bud: ‘Because you’ll make them sick.’ Lou: ‘How will I make them sick if I’m NOT sick and they’re vaccinated.’ Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’ Lou: ‘But they’re vaccinated.’ Bud: ‘But they can still get sick.’ Lou: ‘So what the heck does the vaccine do?’ Bud: ‘It vaccinates.’ Lou: ‘So vaccinated people can’t spread covid?’ Bud: ‘Oh no. They can spread covid just as easily as an unvaccinated person.’ Lou: ‘I don’t even know what I’m saying anymore. Look. I’m not sick. Bud: ‘Ok.’ Lou: ‘And the guy you let in IS sick.’ Bud: ‘That’s right.’ Lou: ‘And everybody in there can still get sick even though they’re vaccinated.’ Bud: ‘Certainly.’ Lou: ‘So why can’t I go in again?’ Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’ Lou: ‘I’m not asking who’s vaccinated or not!’ Bud: ‘I’m just telling you how it is.’ Lou: ‘Nevermind. I’ll just put on my mask.’ Bud: ‘That’s fine.’ Lou: ‘Now I can go in?’ Bud: ‘Absolutely not?’ Lou: ‘But I have a mask!’ Bud: ‘Doesn’t matter.’ Lou: ‘I was able to come in here yesterday with a mask.’ Bud: ‘I know.’ Lou: So why can’t I come in here today with a mask? ….If you say ‘because I’m unvaccinated’ again, I’ll break your arm.’ Bud: ‘Take it easy buddy.’ Lou: ‘So the mask is no good anymore.’ Bud: ‘No, it’s still good.’ Lou: ‘But I can’t come in?’ Bud: ‘Correct.’ Lou: ‘Why not?’ Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’ Lou: ‘But the mask prevents the germs from getting out.’ Bud: ‘Yes, but people can still catch your germs.’ Lou: ‘But they’re all vaccinated.’ Bud: ‘Yes, but they can still get sick.’ Lou: ‘But I’m not sick!!’ Bud: ‘You can still get them sick.’ Lou: ‘So then masks don’t work!’ Bud: ‘Masks work quite well.’ Lou: ‘So how in the heck can I get vaccinated people sick if I’m not sick and masks work?’ Bud: ‘Third base.’ And...scene... Copied from from a friend
  8. I will trust natural antibodies in my system long before I will trust something we no nothing about. We don't know how long the vaccine will last, or if it will cause any lasting issues in the long run. That is fact. Doesn't need to be proven, because it can't be. Another fact, vaccinated people can pass the virus on as easily as the non vaccinated. And, not sure about the masks, depends on who you ask and what site you want to visit. Do your research and do the best for you.
  9. Sorry, should have used "or." Not quoting anyone else, but, what about the rumor that the CDC is not counting the vaccinated that are going into the hospital? I don't know this is true, but when I looked up to see if the CDC, My opinion is a joke, it said they are now keeping track of the vaccinated going into the hospital. Should that make you ask questions? What about people that have had COVID, do you still think they need the vaccine? 2 studies I have read about say that if you have had it, and have the antibodies, there is no need for the vaccine, as the vaccine will not enhance your protection. One of the studies was from the Cleveland Clinic, a very reputable source, and one was done by a college or University, everyone here is so technical, and I don't remember which one. However, I have not heard anyone providing any evidence of scientific proof that the vaccine helps those who have had the virus. Everyone has a very personal reason to either vaccinate, or not to vaccinate. I, myself, have been told by my doctor that I have had COVID. I was apparently without symptoms, however developed a metallic smell and taste after having it. With that being said, no I will not take the vaccine, my choice.
  10. This may sound bad, but, many of the vaccinated are now getting the virus. The vaccinated can carry the virus asymptomatic and can still get sick with it. It seems very hard to blame the unvaccinated at this time. This is only my opinion.
  11. Meanwhile, I am sitting here collecting unemployment reading the arguements and mad as an old wet hen because the pizza place down the street doesn't have a delivery driver. None of this is true. We all have answers greater than what we are seeing, but we are not in charge. We all have a better way of doing things, until we are asked to do them. Or maybe we have tried our better way, and we are the ones being criticized for not doing the way someone else thinks it should be done. I see so many times on here where respect for others has went out the window because we don't agree, and I may have done this as well. Most of the times the words typed sound different when they are read. For those on here, my apologies if I have offended, but I will speak how I think. You don't have to agree, but we can discuss with respect. My 2 cents, we are in a time like never before, and we can point fingers all day long and blame everything and everyone around us for every problem. There is a time and place for every complaint, as well as a place for every praise. Not every business handled things perfect, and we make our decisions upon that. If KI did not offer you what you think you should have received, take your money elsewhere, just like a restaurant that you receive bad service from. You don't go back. Or, you hope it was a one time problem and it gets taken care of, and you move on. I am a GP with a platinum pass with my wife, am I unhappy with KI, no. Could they have done things better? I don't know. Am I going to renew my pass, probably.
  12. Maybe you misunderstood my post, I never said COVID is not lethal. People have lost lives and many have lost loved ones. I have lost friends, and I have seen friends struggle with this and survive. I have seen others get the sniffles and have not issues whatsoever with this. I don't believe I have ever downplayed this, but not sure why this has been so up-played if you will. Facts from numbers say I have a 99.98% survival rate. They have stated that the allowed vaccines are 86% effective. I am not sure where saying I will not admit whether I have had the vaccine for this is downplaying it, or if it was saying I would rather know the others around me are not going to pass on Measles, Mumps, or something like Polio.
  13. I am sorry if you feel this was a personal attack, it is not. However, I have seen many times on this forum where it does look like many attacks on one another, maybe it is because we are typing thing and not speaking them. I have stated opinions many times and came under severe accusations many times. I very rarely post much because of this. I am just a firm believer that requesting vaccination before entry is a lawsuit like a McDonalds hot coffee in the making. The point is, why ask just for COVID, when the other virus's from old are just as deadly, and in my personal opinion, even more so. We have better treatment for all of these now, so we should be well. Discussion and debate is exactly what we need, but it is hard to do on a site like this without thinking we are attacked. Maybe I come off bold and high and mighty, but I assure you that is far from who I truly am. I will always listen to others. I may not agree, but will listen and may give my 2 cents right or wrong. I have been proven wrong before, many times, and I do accept that. Like you said, none of us are like another, and we all have different opinions. Yes, the virus is real, and it is very harmful. I have friends who have had it, and have friends that have lost their lives from it. However I have personally witnessed at least 2 deaths from friends that I am sure were marked as COVID deaths that may not have been and that makes me question everything about this. One died of a blood clot in her lung, and was told from the hospital that is was COVID, and the doctor stated there was a 0% possibility a week later, I doubt that changed the number. The other was a friend that had a heart attack, pneumonia, and many other factors to his death, but tested positive for COVID. Why do we need to buff up the numbers to put fear into others. I am done, Cedar Fair has done a great job as there has not been any outbreaks from Cedar Fair that I know of. Are they extreme, maybe in my opinion, but they also have to go by other state guidelines and have done a wonderful job. Have a great day all.
  14. On December 11, 2020, the FDA issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for the use of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine. On December 18, 2020, the FDA issued an EUA for the use of the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine. And on February 27, 2021 the FDA issued an EUA for the use of the Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine. The issuance of an EUA is different than an FDA approval (licensure) of a vaccine. https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/covid-19-frequently-asked-questions#:~:text=On December 11%2C 2020,COVID-19 Vaccine. Maybe I missed something, but this does not say approved, but given an Emergency Use Authorization. I guess I am ignorant, I am ok with that. But, there is absolutely no reason that these vaccines need to be mandatory or even used for level of admittance. I am sorry I post my opinion for others to question, as you should, but realize we are in a place now where there is no good place to get a true and believable answer for anything. Most of our news channels are left or right, so now where do we go to get answers. Use some intelligence and question everything. I wish this would not have turned into the debate it has, because I feel there may be some taking this wrong, but that is not meant.
  15. I will not reveal either way. My body my choice, I am guessing most on here are pro choice, as you are so pro vaccine, as this is the complete answer to this virus. I am not a scientist, nor do I spend hours upon hours by doing research for old numbers. We have vaccinations for the old viruses that have been proven and approved. These 3 available here are allowed, but not approved. It takes years to completely develop a vaccine that can be guaranteed. But, I guess we are a bunch of experts here. I have stated an opinion, that is apparently farther right then what most want to hear. I will keep my comments to myself from now on, since everyone wants to take everything to serious.
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