kjkjkj Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 Did you not read what WHODEY2007 said, the guy would not cooperate, and they were forced to pepper spray him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teenageninja Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 Yeah, I hate cops too, they do nothing but make the world worse. Tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHODEY2007 Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 That is exactly why i hate cops. They take advantage of theyre powers. The cops shouldn't just let him leave, but they shouldn't of tackeled and pepper sprayed him. They should of kindly stopped him. It doesn't work that way. If you were being threatened I wouldn't let that person go either. No matter if you hate me or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleHenry Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 Yeah, I hate cops too, they do nothing but make the world worse. Tool. Well have you heard about the police problems in St. Louis? A cop was caught on tape abusing his powers, making up things to get the guy in trouble. When the guy started spreading the video around, the cop was put on temporary probation, but now he has more footage of cops spying on him and harassing him at his house. Not saying all cops are corrupt, but don't say all cops are legit either. "All" is a word which should be used carefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Maple The Tree King Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 That is exactly why i hate cops. They take advantage of theyre powers. The cops shouldn't just let him leave, but they shouldn't of tackeled and pepper sprayed him. They should of kindly stopped him. I really wish someone would tackle and pepper spray you then teach you some spelling and grammar. Your a moron if you think all cops abuse THEIR (not "they're") powers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kwindshawne Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 If this story went the way WhoDey said, it sounds to me like he was given plenty of chances to straighten up and fly right, and since he chose to continue to be an ass, he got what he deserved. Besides that, how many guests may have observed this whole thing, and what kind of an impression did it leave? IF he had a beef with management, he should have discussed it in private without making a scene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted October 1, 2007 Author Share Posted October 1, 2007 IF IF IF Tales told on the internet tell only one side of a story. When different versions are told by various parties, it is often left to the courts to resolve the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Titanic_Mess Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 Regardless who was in the wrong, this is a PR nightmare for PKI. Imagine all of the parents out there of minors that work at the park now wondering if their child will be the next to be taken to the ground and pepper-sprayed for having an arguement with management. This is ridiculous...kids have quit their jobs at Kings Island for years, shouting obscenities left and right as they were escorted out. Sounds like KI security over-reacted in the "interrogation room". The kid wanted to quit....just walk him out and be done with it. Of course the keystone cops that run around KI wanted to show how big their weiners are, so they took this kid to the ground and sprayed him. They must have had hard-ons for the rest of the night. Even if this kid screwed-up and did forgot to check a restraint, thank god he stopped the ride before someone was seriously hurt. If he has done this multiple times, then yes, maybe he does need written-up or terminated. Sounds to me like the ride manager probably said something to him that probably should have been said in the office with another manager present. Why would you confront an employee about possible discipline out at the location instead of in the office with a witness? All of this should easily be clear-up though, the security department and interrogations rooms are all monitored by video, unless the camera was "not working" at the time....hmmm.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Maple The Tree King Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Regardless who was in the wrong, this is a PR nightmare for PKI. Imagine all of the parents out there of minors that work at the park now wondering if their child will be the next to be taken to the ground and pepper-sprayed for having an arguement with management. This is ridiculous...kids have quit their jobs at Kings Island for years, shouting obscenities left and right as they were escorted out. Sounds like KI security over-reacted in the "interrogation room". The kid wanted to quit....just walk him out and be done with it. Of course the keystone cops that run around KI wanted to show how big their weiners are, so they took this kid to the ground and sprayed him. They must have had hard-ons for the rest of the night. Even if this kid screwed-up and did forgot to check a restraint, thank god he stopped the ride before someone was seriously hurt. If he has done this multiple times, then yes, maybe he does need written-up or terminated. Sounds to me like the ride manager probably said something to him that probably should have been said in the office with another manager present. Why would you confront an employee about possible discipline out at the location instead of in the office with a witness? All of this should easily be clear-up though, the security department and interrogations rooms are all monitored by video, unless the camera was "not working" at the time....hmmm.... Wow, just a million things wrong here. Not only is it wrong to assume this kid got what he deserved considering we dont know the whole story but you take blowing out the story to a whole new level! We dont know why the kid hit the E-stop, exactly what kind of scene he created as he was leaving, what happened in the interrogation room, theres no evidence to support he assualted the cops or security officers or to support that the cops were arrogant about the situation. Theres nothign saying the interegation room camera wasn't working. I love how you just tried to turn this in the complete other way. No one here knows what happened exactly, and how and if it was is being decided in a court of law, not by "know-it-all's" on the internet. None of us here know the situation, its not safe to assume the kid got what he desereved of ir he was abused. No official facts are present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Titanic_Mess Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Just to be clear, I never said the kid got what he deserved...read my post again...I am on the side of the kid, not KI. You are right, none of us where there. I love how you assume that he hit the E-stop, and created some kind of scene. Do you know for sure he did either...no, just like I don't know exactly what happened. I was simply giving an opinion based on the info made available on this website, as well as my own experiences with KI security. Regardless who was in the wrong, this is a PR nightmare for PKI. Imagine all of the parents out there of minors that work at the park now wondering if their child will be the next to be taken to the ground and pepper-sprayed for having an arguement with management. This is ridiculous...kids have quit their jobs at Kings Island for years, shouting obscenities left and right as they were escorted out. Sounds like KI security over-reacted in the "interrogation room". The kid wanted to quit....just walk him out and be done with it. Of course the keystone cops that run around KI wanted to show how big their weiners are, so they took this kid to the ground and sprayed him. They must have had hard-ons for the rest of the night. Even if this kid screwed-up and did forgot to check a restraint, thank god he stopped the ride before someone was seriously hurt. If he has done this multiple times, then yes, maybe he does need written-up or terminated. Sounds to me like the ride manager probably said something to him that probably should have been said in the office with another manager present. Why would you confront an employee about possible discipline out at the location instead of in the office with a witness? All of this should easily be clear-up though, the security department and interrogations rooms are all monitored by video, unless the camera was "not working" at the time....hmmm.... Wow, just a million things wrong here. Not only is it wrong to assume this kid got what he deserved considering we dont know the whole story but you take blowing out the story to a whole new level! We dont know why the kid hit the E-stop, exactly what kind of scene he created as he was leaving, what happened in the interrogation room, theres no evidence to support he assualted the cops or security officers or to support that the cops were arrogant about the situation. Theres nothign saying the interegation room camera wasn't working. I love how you just tried to turn this in the complete other way. No one here knows what happened exactly, and how and if it was is being decided in a court of law, not by "know-it-all's" on the internet. None of us here know the situation, its not safe to assume the kid got what he desereved of ir he was abused. No official facts are present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kwindshawne Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Just to be clear, I never said the kid got what he deserved...read my post again...I am on the side of the kid, not KI. You are right, none of us where there. I love how you assume that he hit the E-stop, and created some kind of scene. Do you know for sure he did either...no, just like I don't know exactly what happened. I was simply giving an opinion based on the info made available on this website, as well as my own experiences with KI security. Regardless who was in the wrong, this is a PR nightmare for PKI. Imagine all of the parents out there of minors that work at the park now wondering if their child will be the next to be taken to the ground and pepper-sprayed for having an arguement with management. This is ridiculous...kids have quit their jobs at Kings Island for years, shouting obscenities left and right as they were escorted out. Sounds like KI security over-reacted in the "interrogation room". The kid wanted to quit....just walk him out and be done with it. Of course the keystone cops that run around KI wanted to show how big their weiners are, so they took this kid to the ground and sprayed him. They must have had hard-ons for the rest of the night. Even if this kid screwed-up and did forgot to check a restraint, thank god he stopped the ride before someone was seriously hurt. If he has done this multiple times, then yes, maybe he does need written-up or terminated. Sounds to me like the ride manager probably said something to him that probably should have been said in the office with another manager present. Why would you confront an employee about possible discipline out at the location instead of in the office with a witness? All of this should easily be clear-up though, the security department and interrogations rooms are all monitored by video, unless the camera was "not working" at the time....hmmm.... Wow, just a million things wrong here. Not only is it wrong to assume this kid got what he deserved considering we dont know the whole story but you take blowing out the story to a whole new level! We dont know why the kid hit the E-stop, exactly what kind of scene he created as he was leaving, what happened in the interrogation room, theres no evidence to support he assualted the cops or security officers or to support that the cops were arrogant about the situation. Theres nothign saying the interegation room camera wasn't working. I love how you just tried to turn this in the complete other way. No one here knows what happened exactly, and how and if it was is being decided in a court of law, not by "know-it-all's" on the internet. None of us here know the situation, its not safe to assume the kid got what he desereved of ir he was abused. No official facts are present. What experiences have you had with them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Maple The Tree King Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Just to be clear, I never said the kid got what he deserved...read my post again...I am on the side of the kid, not KI. You are right, none of us where there. I love how you assume that he hit the E-stop, and created some kind of scene. Do you know for sure he did either...no, just like I don't know exactly what happened. I was simply giving an opinion based on the info made available on this website, as well as my own experiences with KI security. Regardless who was in the wrong, this is a PR nightmare for PKI. Imagine all of the parents out there of minors that work at the park now wondering if their child will be the next to be taken to the ground and pepper-sprayed for having an arguement with management. This is ridiculous...kids have quit their jobs at Kings Island for years, shouting obscenities left and right as they were escorted out. Sounds like KI security over-reacted in the "interrogation room". The kid wanted to quit....just walk him out and be done with it. Of course the keystone cops that run around KI wanted to show how big their weiners are, so they took this kid to the ground and sprayed him. They must have had hard-ons for the rest of the night. Even if this kid screwed-up and did forgot to check a restraint, thank god he stopped the ride before someone was seriously hurt. If he has done this multiple times, then yes, maybe he does need written-up or terminated. Sounds to me like the ride manager probably said something to him that probably should have been said in the office with another manager present. Why would you confront an employee about possible discipline out at the location instead of in the office with a witness? All of this should easily be clear-up though, the security department and interrogations rooms are all monitored by video, unless the camera was "not working" at the time....hmmm.... Wow, just a million things wrong here. Not only is it wrong to assume this kid got what he deserved considering we dont know the whole story but you take blowing out the story to a whole new level! We dont know why the kid hit the E-stop, exactly what kind of scene he created as he was leaving, what happened in the interrogation room, theres no evidence to support he assualted the cops or security officers or to support that the cops were arrogant about the situation. Theres nothign saying the interegation room camera wasn't working. I love how you just tried to turn this in the complete other way. No one here knows what happened exactly, and how and if it was is being decided in a court of law, not by "know-it-all's" on the internet. None of us here know the situation, its not safe to assume the kid got what he desereved of ir he was abused. No official facts are present. Read the article at the beginning of the thread( http://www.western-star.com/n/content/oh/s...slandcops.html) the kid did hit the e stop, i never said you said he got what he deserved, i said the assumptions you made are based on nothing, just as the assumptions other posters made when they claimed "he got what he deserved". So before you want me to re-read your post, maybe you should've read mine a bit closer, as well as the entire topic. If you have a beef with KI security, perhaps you care to elaborate on your experiences and put some backing behind your claims. Why pick sides when you dont know the whole story? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Titanic_Mess Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 I have read the entire topic, and just as others on this website, I gave an opinion based on the info provided as well as my experience at the park. As I said earlier, kids have quite KI kicking and screaming for years, this is nothing new. Sounds like security overreacted in my opinion. I have no beef with security, but I have seen over the 12 years that I worked at the park how over-zealous security guards turn a minor situation into something it wasn't. And as far a the camera comment, there was a well publicized fight in the KI parking lot a few years ago where it was claimed that KI Security did little to stop the fight. Of course KI showed off their high-tech security camera system to calm the nerves of worried park guests, and then went on to say that the camera aimed at the area of the fight was not working the night of the fight. Just makes one wonder... Just to be clear, I never said the kid got what he deserved...read my post again...I am on the side of the kid, not KI. You are right, none of us where there. I love how you assume that he hit the E-stop, and created some kind of scene. Do you know for sure he did either...no, just like I don't know exactly what happened. I was simply giving an opinion based on the info made available on this website, as well as my own experiences with KI security. Regardless who was in the wrong, this is a PR nightmare for PKI. Imagine all of the parents out there of minors that work at the park now wondering if their child will be the next to be taken to the ground and pepper-sprayed for having an arguement with management. This is ridiculous...kids have quit their jobs at Kings Island for years, shouting obscenities left and right as they were escorted out. Sounds like KI security over-reacted in the "interrogation room". The kid wanted to quit....just walk him out and be done with it. Of course the keystone cops that run around KI wanted to show how big their weiners are, so they took this kid to the ground and sprayed him. They must have had hard-ons for the rest of the night. Even if this kid screwed-up and did forgot to check a restraint, thank god he stopped the ride before someone was seriously hurt. If he has done this multiple times, then yes, maybe he does need written-up or terminated. Sounds to me like the ride manager probably said something to him that probably should have been said in the office with another manager present. Why would you confront an employee about possible discipline out at the location instead of in the office with a witness? All of this should easily be clear-up though, the security department and interrogations rooms are all monitored by video, unless the camera was "not working" at the time....hmmm.... Wow, just a million things wrong here. Not only is it wrong to assume this kid got what he deserved considering we dont know the whole story but you take blowing out the story to a whole new level! We dont know why the kid hit the E-stop, exactly what kind of scene he created as he was leaving, what happened in the interrogation room, theres no evidence to support he assualted the cops or security officers or to support that the cops were arrogant about the situation. Theres nothign saying the interegation room camera wasn't working. I love how you just tried to turn this in the complete other way. No one here knows what happened exactly, and how and if it was is being decided in a court of law, not by "know-it-all's" on the internet. None of us here know the situation, its not safe to assume the kid got what he desereved of ir he was abused. No official facts are present. Read the article at the beginning of the thread( http://www.western-star.com/n/content/oh/s...slandcops.html) the kid did hit the e stop, i never said you said he got what he deserved, i said the assumptions you made are based on nothing, just as the assumptions other posters made when they claimed "he got what he deserved". So before you want me to re-read your post, maybe you should've read mine a bit closer, as well as the entire topic. If you have a beef with PKI security, perhaps you care to elaborate on your experiences and put some backing behind your claims. Why pick sides when you dont know the whole story? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarketingExpress Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 I have read the entire topic, and just as others on this website, I gave an opinion based on the info provided as well as my experience at the park. As I said earlier, kids have quite KI kicking and screaming for years, this is nothing new. Sounds like security overreacted in my opinion. I have no beef with security, but I have seen over the 12 years that I worked at the park how over-zealous security guards turn a minor situation into something it wasn't. And as far a the camera comment, there was a well publicized fight in the KI parking lot a few years ago where it was claimed that KI Security did little to stop the fight. Of course KI showed off their high-tech security camera system to calm the nerves of worried park guests, and then went on to say that the camera aimed at the area of the fight was not working the night of the fight. Just makes one wonder... First off, security officers and park police are 2 completely different positions. Security officers can be anyone over the age of 18. Park police are actual Police Officers who have a Peace Officer Certification from the state of Ohio. Security officers are not allowed to touch the guests at all and do not carry anything like pepper spray, baton, etc. So in your example, this fight you speak of, security officers could not physically do anything. They have to wait for the park police to get there or officers from Mason who regularly patrol the park. In this particular incident, while I am sure that security was present at the location, the park police were the ones involved. Talking with the supervisor of the ride who was present when the incident unfolded, and from some of my police training that I have been through, I can tell you that the park police officers acted within their authority in this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kwindshawne Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 I have read the entire topic, and just as others on this website, I gave an opinion based on the info provided as well as my experience at the park. As I said earlier, kids have quite KI kicking and screaming for years, this is nothing new. Sounds like security overreacted in my opinion. I have no beef with security, but I have seen over the 12 years that I worked at the park how over-zealous security guards turn a minor situation into something it wasn't. And as far a the camera comment, there was a well publicized fight in the KI parking lot a few years ago where it was claimed that KI Security did little to stop the fight. Of course KI showed off their high-tech security camera system to calm the nerves of worried park guests, and then went on to say that the camera aimed at the area of the fight was not working the night of the fight. Just makes one wonder... First off, security officers and park police are 2 completely different positions. Security officers can be anyone over the age of 18. Park police are actual Police Officers who have a Peace Officer Certification from the state of Ohio. Security officers are not allowed to touch the guests at all and do not carry anything like pepper spray, baton, etc. So in your example, this fight you speak of, security officers could not physically do anything. They have to wait for the park police to get there or officers from Mason who regularly patrol the park. In this particular incident, while I am sure that security was present at the location, the park police were the ones involved. Talking with the supervisor of the ride who was present when the incident unfolded, and from some of my police training that I have been through, I can tell you that the park police officers acted within their authority in this case. This is true. Security's hands are tied on that...and I would be willing to bet that any security officer that got involved in a physical altercation with a guest would be shown the door immediately in addition to charges that could be filed against them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delirium13 Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 That is exactly why i hate cops. They take advantage of theyre powers. The cops shouldn't just let him leave, but they shouldn't of tackeled and pepper sprayed him. They should of kindly stopped him. I really wish someone would tackle and pepper spray you then teach you some spelling and grammar. Your a moron if you think all cops abuse THEIR (not "they're") powers. Although I agree that the angryemobeaver has no idea what he's talking about, I think that if you're going to criticize someone's grammar, then you should use the correct form of your next time. What you were looking for is you're a moron, as in you are a moron, not your a moron. Back on topic though, it sounds as if the police were doing what they were supposed to do and the kid got what he deserved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHODEY2007 Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Check out this article from the Middletown Pulse-Journal. http://www.pulsejournal.com/n/content/oh/s...andassault.html If, for some reason you can't load that article, here is what it says: Mason prosecutor: KI security handled situation properly Employee's mother said she plans to file a lawsuit against park. By Denise G. Callahan Staff Writer Thursday, August 09, 2007 Mason Prosecutor Robert Peeler found no fault with how Kings Island security handled an employee last week. But the employee's mother plans to file a civil lawsuit over her son's treatment. Peeler said he viewed a videotape of the exchange between park security and 17-year-old George Fisher of Springfield Twp. when park security allegedly pushed the youth down and shot him with pepper spray twice. Peeler said park police repeatedly asked Fisher to sit down — saying it was for his own and their safety — but he refused to comply. "They warned him numerous times and he continued to refuse, so they were going to arrest him for disorderly conduct and he resisted arrest," Peeler said. "Police have a difficult job because they never know when someone's outburst is going to lead to injury to themselves or others," he said. The incident arose after the Firehawk ride, where Fisher was working, had to be stopped because one of the rider's legs slipped free. Fisher said he knew his supervisor was going to blame him, so he decided to quit. The supervisor allegedly said Fisher couldn't quit — that he would be fired and ordered him to come to the park's operations office. As they were leaving the ride area, the supervisor apparently called Kings Island security because he said Fisher threatened him. Peeler said they wouldn't just let the boy leave because they needed his badge and other items that would have allowed Fisher free access to the park. Fisher's mother, Lillia, said she plans to file a lawsuit against Kings Island and all of the people who were individually involved. "They do not have a right to hold him. They don't have a right to push him or detain him just because he wanted to quit," she said. Kings Island declined comment on the matter. Contact this reporter at (513) 696-4525 or dcallahan@coxohio.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarketingExpress Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 ^ Thanks for the update on this. I can see this lawsuit getting thrown out very soon, especially with the videotape evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 The real story of this is..... Fisher did do the E-stop. The ride sup tried to speak with Fisher but Fisher said he quit and left the ride. The ride sup followed Fisher towards the Operations Building and Fisher was cursing and threatening the Sup the whole way and so the sup radioed security. I guess my question is: Why follow the guy if he quit? If he was a problem, and left on his own accord, let him leave. Problem solved. I am not justifing Fisher's obvious reaction, but if he was willing to leave on his own; why bother following him? They could just cancel his badge if it gains access electronically, or even hold his paycheck until he returned the badge. I'm sure there have been many instances where empolyees hace forgotten their badge and have to be let in manually, so even if the park has his badge, there still needs to be communication notices at the park entry points identifing him. It seems that there are many holes to both stories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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