chippewa&idora4ever Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 I was wondering if Kings Island ever planned on repainting The Racer to its original red white and blue colors. Also does anyone know why they tore down the Flying Eagles. Ive looked and the land where it once stood and it wasn't even touched? i understand the risk that it could have been damaged, but if they were careful, it could have stayed with us, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coaster_junky Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 I was wondering if Kings Island ever planned on repainting The Racer to its original red white and blue colors. Also does anyone know why they tore down the Flying Eagles. Ive looked and the land where it once stood and it wasn't even touched? i understand the risk that it could have been damaged, but if they were careful, it could have stayed with us, thanks. i'm not sure about repainting The Racer, but flying eagles was removed to make room for backlot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chippewa&idora4ever Posted November 10, 2008 Author Share Posted November 10, 2008 Well yeah, I know that. but the land wasn't touched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 And the Flying Eagles moved to Carowinds....Viacom would want me to say their name... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast1979 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Actually, while Flying Eagles may have been removed in that time span, I don't think it was removed to make room for IJST, being that they are (or would have been) a good 50 or 75 feet away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chippewa&idora4ever Posted November 10, 2008 Author Share Posted November 10, 2008 Actually, while Flying Eagles may have been removed in that time span, I don't think it was removed to make room for IJST, being that they are (or would have been) a good 50 or 75 feet away. exactly my point, than why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 That IS the story the then head of PR for the park told....others believe another story...as in the park's then GM was transferred to Carowinds and took the best flat ride in the park with him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DropZone99 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Actually, while Flying Eagles may have been removed in that time span, I don't think it was removed to make room for IJST, being that they are (or would have been) a good 50 or 75 feet away. exactly my point, than why? The Three Point Challenge is in Flying Eagles old spot, not Backlot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast1979 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 That IS the story the then head of PR for the park told....others believe another story...as in the park's then GM was transferred to Carowinds and took the best flat ride in the park with him! Grrrrr........Stealer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 The Three Point Challenge was planned and installed by Cedar Fair, not Paramount Parks. The simple story is the chain was soon to be sold, capital investment funds were tight, and moving Flying Eagles to Carowinds made financial sense at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRider Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Yes but the official reasson from the former operator is that they needed to make room for BLSC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 And the official story under Cedar Fair is that recaR was turned around for nostalgic reasons. You do the best you can with the facts you have.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast1979 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Yes but the official reasson from the former operator is that they needed to make room for BLSC. Uhhhh....... And the official story under Cedar Fair is that recaR was turned around for nostalgic reasons. You do the best you can with the facts you have.... Hey, if they want to save money that way I'm fine with it, recaR hurt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Jeff Seibert was never known for letting the truth get in the way of a good story. In addition, in his defense, plans change...perhaps there really was a logistical problem that required at least the temporary removal of the Flying Eagles during construction...and then Mr. Fisher (for that was his name) prevailed upon corporate to move the attraction to the Carolinas.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DropZone99 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 How good are Kings Dominon's Flying Scooters? Are they as good as Flying Eagles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 In a word, NO. They are slow, nearly unsnappable and not much fun. Better than nothing, barely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chippewa&idora4ever Posted November 11, 2008 Author Share Posted November 11, 2008 and what about The Racer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 One never knows.... Some day it will have to be repainted....unless they do something really silly and strip the paint off and find that the wood was not the type to be left unpainted...See, for instance, Carowinds and Thunder Road... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
violakat03 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 While I wouldn't mind seeing Racer returned to original red white and blue (which I believe was before my time, as I don't remember this paint scheme) does anyone else want to see Flight Deck's track go back to dark red instead of the boring steel grey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastersRZ Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Yes, and that certain ride in the Carolinas had to have an extensive overhaul this past off season that involved completely rebuilding sections of the ride. Personally, I`d like to see Flight Decks track painted something other than the steel silver color that it is currently painted. And to be honest, that ride needs a paint job more than any other ride at Kings Island. The old red color is showing in many areas, and it is now light pink in color. Either blue or red track could match the Flight Deck sign they have at the entrance to the ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dare-to-fly Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 And to be honest, that ride needs a paint job more than any other ride at Kings Island. I completely agree. I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice how rusty parts of the track has become. But...Racer would look much nicer in red, white, and blue. But, then, it would run better trimless too and I don't have any hope that it will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 I'd have to agree with the above sentiment, Racer and Flight Deck are the most in need of a paint job. Racer looks great from anywhere in the park, but up close....ick. First though I'd wish they'd tear down those graffiti infested plywood walls surrounding the breaks right before the station on Racer. For those who attended KIC day and had the chance to hear Jeff Gramke speak, I believe he said something to the affect of that the park was in an argument with the company they purchased the paint from last time Flight Deck was paint for alleged "paint failures." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
violakat03 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 First though I'd wish they'd tear down those graffiti infested plywood walls surrounding the breaks right before the station on Racer. I second this motion. I'm so sick of looking at nasty gum that people spit out on them every single time I ride it. Ew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast1979 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 I don't see Flight Deck or Racer being painted over anytime soon though..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 When the capital expenditures budget for the entire Cedar Fair chain is only $62 million, and Kings Island is getting more than a third of that already for a new coaster, I doubt seriously you will see any major ride painted for next year....yet, stranger things have happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoasterXtreme Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 When the capital expenditures budget for the entire Cedar Fair chain is only $62 million, and Kings Island is getting more than a third of that already for a new coaster, I doubt seriously you will see any major ride painted for next year....yet, stranger things have happened. If you have listen to the 3rd quarter conference call at the very end in the question and answer period Dick states that the 62 million is for rides and shows. They all so have a capital improvement budget to get that stuff done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 And if you read here, you can read about toxic debt and one of the companies mentioned...no, it isn't SIX, where it is even more toxic: http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2008...-portfolio.aspx Perhaps that is why FUN capital expenditures are down....I just don't understand how SIX continues cap ex at the level it is projecting in this environment. What Mr. Kinzel actually stressed is that shows also make people happy and show spending is in addition to the cap ex. Shows seldom involve capital expenditures....only if durable equipment and/or buildings are purchased...a presentation is not capital, nor is talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoasterXtreme Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 And if you read here, you can read about toxic debt and one of the companies mentioned...no, it isn't SIX, where it is even more toxic: http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2008...-portfolio.aspx Perhaps that is why FUN capital expenditures are down....I just don't understand how SIX continues cap ex at the level it is projecting in this environment. What Mr. Kinzel actually stressed is that shows also make people happy and show spending is in addition to the cap ex. Shows seldom involve capital expenditures....only if equipment and buildings are purchased...a presentation is not capital, nor is talent. Capital expenditures are not down there was a coaster planned for Great America that got pushed back if you add that back in we are right back to the 80-90 million dollar mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 You really need to read the Six Flags conference call thread....At most, the Great America coaster MAY have cost $10 million (and that's being VERY liberal). How does $62 mil + $10 mil = even $80 million, the latter being a figure low even for the legacy Cedar Fair parks? Start at post 12 here: http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?...st&p=254183 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoasterXtreme Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 You really need to read all the thread before posting....At most, the Great America coaster MAY have cost $10 million (and that's being VERY liberal). How does $62 mil + $10 mil = even $80 million, the latter being a figure low even for the legacy Cedar Fair parks? Just going by what the CEO Dick Kinsel said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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