Whales_Rock Posted October 31, 2009 Posted October 31, 2009 How long do you think it's going to be till they decide what to do with it?
DropZone99 Posted October 31, 2009 Posted October 31, 2009 Well I'm sure the park already knows what they're going to do, but I don't think they will announce it until sometime next season.
Beast1979 Posted October 31, 2009 Posted October 31, 2009 IF they even decide to announce it at all. With the history it's had, certain news should go un-released, as it's fate is quietly carried out.....
chaddie Posted November 8, 2009 Posted November 8, 2009 http://www.daytondailynews.com/entertainme...ays-391708.html
CedarPointer Posted November 8, 2009 Posted November 8, 2009 So they just stuck on extra supports without testing it on a computer model? Wow... And it's Roller Coaster Corporation of America, DDN. http://www.rcca.com/
Beast1979 Posted November 8, 2009 Posted November 8, 2009 Another great assistance by the media. With stuff like this coming out constantly, I'm surprised we haven't seen the wrecking ball yet one week in.
JAHill Posted November 8, 2009 Posted November 8, 2009 I laughed at this comment on that article: At least put some seatbelts on the Diamondback, fun ride, but need to put some safety gear on. It feels like people are going to fly out, if there's a problem with the seat lock in whatever is holding us in. NEED SOME SEATBELTS. As far as Son of Beast's dilemma, I've started to have my final doubts. I've settled on removal.
CedarPointer Posted November 8, 2009 Posted November 8, 2009 I am surprised that DB lacks seatbelts. Unlike some, the presence of seatbelts does not bother me at all. In fact, I welcome having them on any sort of freefall.
Beast1979 Posted November 8, 2009 Posted November 8, 2009 I'm rather sick of the general public's irrational fear of Diamondback's restraint system. It's quite possibly the safest ride in the park, and yet it seems as though this area has grown accustomed to the fact that a coaster is not safe unless it's uncomfortable. It's rumors like "Diamondback will throw you out cause it doesn't have seatbelts" that will make the park actually add them to make the rumors end.
Erosarrow05 Posted November 8, 2009 Posted November 8, 2009 did i miss some lengthy discussion about how the general public has taken up crusade to add seat belts to Diamondback because the restraint system is unsafe? This is the first I've really heard of this "irrational fear", but it made me chuckle no less.
Beast1979 Posted November 8, 2009 Posted November 8, 2009 There's no discussion about it, it's stuff you hear at the park.
Erosarrow05 Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 Oh, I clearly do not spend enough of my free time there to be able to form any of those assessments.
windshawne Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 So....after 9 years, a few incidents and lawsuits, it finally comes out...the ride is flawed. Well, duh!! I say the writing was on the wall long before the news had to point that out. Particularly disturbing was the loose bolt not even in the area of the failure. After all this, it would be stupid to reopen it. As much as I dont like any coaster to be destroyed, admit it-it was a failure and needs to go. I doubt this much money was spent on Bat, and they didn't keep it going nearly as long.
CedarPointer Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 Could they really reopen the coaster after they've been found guilty for various injuries, the ride has been found to be flawed, and just about everyone thinks its unsafe?
shark6495 Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 Well the park has never said the ride is flawed, just a guy they have hired to check out the ride. Thats darning information but still lets wait and see where the chips fall. As for seat belts, if it makes the general public feel safer, and does not inhibit the ride experience no problems for me... but thats just my personal opinion....
CedarPointer Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 I didn't say that the park had found it to be flawed. Instead, Schmizze said Kings Island started building support structures on the ride in areas they thought needed bolstering. But if you try to fix one part of the ride, without a computer model, you can’t know the effect on the rest of the structure But if you try to fix one part of the ride, without a computer model, you can’t know the effect on the rest of the structure, Schmizze said. Schmizze said as he was climbing the track on the ride during his inspection process he found a loose bolt, not even in the failure location, that he could spin with his finger. He said it was another symptom of too much sway. Is it just me, or does this seem to suggest that the ride structure may be pulling itself down in some way?
BavarianBeatle Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 http://www.daytondailynews.com/entertainme...ays-391708.html Does this so called "expert" realize that people like John Allen designed and built coasters for years without computers to assist them? When he says that you can't do it without a computer, he really means that HE can't do it without a computer. Makes me wonder if he is capable of adding 2 plus 2 without a calculator!
KIfan1980 Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 Let's not get too caught up in this article. I'm assuming this is a paid consultant of the plaintiff in the case. He was investigating the 2006 incident which means the study may have been done before the ride reopened in 2007. The case in question is not about SoB today, it's about SoB in 2006.
shark6495 Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 Cedar I knew what you were saying, I had a bit of sarcasm in my statement, " The park has not said the ride is flawed...." so no offense intended.... Hey BB good point about guys like John Allen, but to be truthful SOB is much different that something like The Racer or The Beast. SoB is a very tall structure with some high forces acting on it. It could probably be done correctly with out a computer model but for something this big it may have been a better idea to use a calculator. I know how to frequency, length, and different hearing pressure with out using a calculator (going to school for Speech and need to know how to calculate sound frequencies) but when it comes to working with live patients I always double check my work on a calculator. So just some food for thought........
The Interpreter Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 So they just stuck on extra supports without testing it on a computer model? Wow... And it's Roller Coaster Company of America, DDN. http://www.rcca.com/ Uh...no. Roller Coaster Company of Ohio was the original general contractor on the project, until they were removed. The new general contractor? You may have heard of them. Paramount Parks. And yes, Roller Coaster Company of Ohio was an affiliate of Roller Coaster Corporation of America, set up, presumably, for potential liability reasons.
Browntggrr Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 http://www.daytondailynews.com/entertainme...ays-391708.html Does this so called "expert" realize that people like John Allen designed and built coasters for years without computers to assist them? When he says that you can't do it without a computer, he really means that HE can't do it without a computer. Makes me wonder if he is capable of adding 2 plus 2 without a calculator! I believe we need to read between the lines with that comment. While the article could have been written clearer, but it did say this: Bold emphasis added: Former KI owner Paramount fired Roller Coaster Company of Ohio — the firm hired to engineer and build the ride — before the construction was completed, Schmizze said. With a ride as complex as the Son of Beast, Schmizze said they would have needed a computer model in order to correctly fix the defects. Was it John Allen that suggested where the new supports went, or was it PP engineers with all their years of coaster construction experience? Did JA intend for a certain type of wood to be used, or was a decision made after his portion of the design was completed? And did JA expect PP to take the project over from RCCA? IMO, with this information, it is apparent that SoB was doomed from the start. This article could very well be the final nail in a well sealed coffin.
The Interpreter Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 John Allen designed The Racer. He made minor suggestions for Beast, after reviewing the work of others (he was asked to do Beast, but said he was a retired gentleman and wished to stay that way). He had no involvement whatsoever with Son of Beast. I can only imagine what his reaction to that design would have been. Mr. Allen died in August of 1979...
TheSonofBeast Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 John Allen designed The Racer. He made minor suggestions for Beast, after reviewing the work of others (he was asked to do Beast, but said he was a retired gentleman and wished to stay that way). He had no involvement whatsoever with Son of Beast. I can only imagine what his reaction to that design would have been. Mr. Allen died in August of 1979... i think he meant Werner Stengel, the designer who has yet to ride Son of Beast...
The Interpreter Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 Well, his other comment: Was it John Allen that suggested where the new supports went, or was it PP engineers with all their years of coaster construction experience? deserves remarking upon. Mr. Jeff Gramke, then of Paramount Parks, now of Cedar Fair, has often stated his intensive involvement with the construction of Beast, along with Charles Dinn. Mr. Gramke is an engineer, and has often spoken of his years of coaster construction experience. Terpy, just sayin'
Browntggrr Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 John Allen designed The Racer. He made minor suggestions for Beast, after reviewing the work of others (he was asked to do Beast, but said he was a retired gentleman and wished to stay that way). He had no involvement whatsoever with Son of Beast. I can only imagine what his reaction to that design would have been. Mr. Allen died in August of 1979... Wow, where the heck is my mind... i think he meant Werner Stengel, the designer who has yet to ride Son of Beast... Yes, it was. Still out of my mind though...
The Interpreter Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 Perhaps you have been riding that big blue B and M gigacoaster at Cedar Point too much? Terpy...it happens to all of us on occasion. . .
CedarPointer Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 Does this so called "expert" realize that people like John Allen designed and built coasters for years without computers to assist them? When he says that you can't do it without a computer, he really means that HE can't do it without a computer. Makes me wonder if he is capable of adding 2 plus 2 without a calculator! People like John Allen also did not design 200-foot wooden hypercoasters with loops.
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