hosscat Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 I've heard for the last couple of years that there is going to be a new Looping coaster. Not like Firehawk (Which I absolutely love!) but a sit down coaster, kind of like The Vortex, I've seen signs of a new coaster through the park in the last 2 years. I imagine it will be near the SOB but I'm not sure, if I'm right, it would be a good one, and I though Diamondback was good! Comparable to Goliath at Six Flags Over Georgia, both very similar. But I don't think they would try to beat out CP, as I know, but Kings Island has gotten More popular in the last couple of years, As popular as it was when Paramount just bought it. So I diffidently think there would be a big coaster coming, even if you want something else like some flat rides, but those tend to break down more and aren't as popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIfan73 Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 What kind of signs have you saw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron88stang Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 This post looks a lot like hosscat's trip report earlier and makes about as much sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongliveKingsCobra Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 Agreed 200% I think I see a bridge. Cobra, wondering if anyone sees the hint I am dropping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkroz Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 Flat rides tend to break down more and aren't as popular? A war on lines? What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pillsberry123 Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 I've seen signs of a new coaster through the park in the last 2 years. We've seen the sign of a new coaster for the past two years as well. It's big, red, and located in Rivertown... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cormaster Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 I'd like a B&M dive, or a B&M Floorless, but I haven't seen signs pointing to either thing. What kind of signs do you speak of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Millennium Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 ^The B&M Floorless fad is mainly over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flightoffear1996 Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 Yea they haven't built one in a while. KI does need a nice long inverted coaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkroz Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 ^The B&M Floorless fad is mainly over. Um, B&M floorless coasters have been built every single year between 1999 and 2008 with the exception of 2006... Stand-ups are a fad. Inverts are a fad. Floorless coasters are just regular roller coasters with an added (or, really, subtracted) element. Diamondback could be made floorless if they wanted to... It's just like how dark rides are constantly being updated to be "interactive." It's just like a natural progression; like an evolution. It wasn't a fad, it's just a unique twist to any B&M coaster than wants it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pillsberry123 Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 Hmm, I don't think that Floorless coasters or Inverted coasters are fads. They've built an invert almost every year since the first was built, and they've put in a floorless almost every year for a decade... As Arrows disappear B&Ms show up. I still think that our next coaster will be a B&M floorless or invert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dbfan Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 There is a dirt near sob, a sign of a large looping coaster perhaps? I think so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveStroem Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 I would love to see a B&M invert hyper coaster. Alpengeist at BGW is just 5' short of being a hyper so it is with in the realm of reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BavarianBeatle Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 I'd like a B&M Yes, they could call it "Cookie Cutter".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkroz Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 I'd like a B&M Yes, they could call it "Cookie Cutter".... Or we could get another Arrow Megalooper called "very similar to, but inexplicably more painful than, any other Arrow megalooper you've been on." And really, look at GASM, Vortex, Anaconda... No matter which was their first, most always think the others are more painful. That's just how it works! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast1979 Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 I'd like a B&M Yes, they could call it "Cookie Cutter".... I'd rather have 5 very good cookies that are almost exactly alike, than 5 mediocre cookies that are very unique, if you catch my analogy. I most certainly would not mind a B&M Inverted at KI. To me, for some reason, a B&M floorless just doesnt seem needed until Vortex is gone. I dunno why, I just feel that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongliveKingsCobra Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Something like Bizzaro wouldn't be to bad, colored like Medusa was though. haha... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustbucket Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Maybe it will be a hyper woody with a loop..... No wait..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BavarianBeatle Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 I'd like a B&M Yes, they could call it "Cookie Cutter".... Or we could get another Arrow Megalooper called "very similar to, but inexplicably more painful than, any other Arrow megalooper you've been on." And really, look at GASM, Vortex, Anaconda... No matter which was their first, most always think the others are more painful. That's just how it works! That isn't possible. Lest anyone think it is.... --Beatle, who understands what you're saying but doesn't want others to think that Arrow still exists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BavarianBeatle Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 I'd like a B&M Yes, they could call it "Cookie Cutter".... I'd rather have 5 very good cookies. Then why would you want a B&M? God forbid we get something like Vortex or Intrimadator at Carowinds, Superman, Ultimate Flight at SFGAd, or Great Bear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cormaster Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Whats wrong with B&M? I Think they make the finest steel coasters in the business. If we were to get a new coaster who would you rather have make it? And why does it have to be crazy and unique? Just like the aforementioned Vortex, there's little unique about it other than the track layout, but there still to this day are a million arrow mega loopers out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BavarianBeatle Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Whats wrong with B&M? I Think they make the finest steel coasters in the business. If we were to get a new coaster who would you rather have make it? And why does it have to be crazy and unique? Just like the aforementioned Vortex, there's little unique about it other than the track layout, but there still to this day are a million arrow mega loopers out there. If it was new and unique, I would have no problem with a B&M! But if it was like the ones I mentioned, I would prefer something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cormaster Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 I really don't know what else B&M can offer us unless they give us a new prototype. I do truly believe a B&M invert is desperately needed for the park, as its something its been lacking for years! As for B&M's models, I think a Dive machine would be great for the park. I mean in the states there is one in Virginia, one in Florida. IT would be the first Dive Machine in the midwest and a big draw since there aren't many of them out there currently! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkroz Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Kings Island could definitely use something "unique" and marketable. I don't even know if a B&M Invert could do it. How about one of the new B&M X-Raptor things or whatever? An Intamin Wingwalker? An Intamin launched coaster? I have said for a few seasons now that it would be a worthwhile investment to give us a few flat rides (maybe even a suspended top spin) and an Intamin twisted impulse coaster running parallel to Coney Mall. Highly marketable, compact additions that could get us 3 or 4 rides for $22 million or less. Not a bad deal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongliveKingsCobra Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 I would like a really nice long Invert with some tunnels Cobra Rolls, zero-g rolls, barrell rolls and so much more. Colored Purple and Gold, The rails that the wheels ride on would be Gold while the track would be Deep Purple, and the supports black. Wrap it all together and name it, Stalker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BavarianBeatle Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 I really don't know what else B&M can offer us unless they give us a new prototype. I do truly believe a B&M invert is desperately needed for the park, as its something its been lacking for years! As for B&M's models, I think a Dive machine would be great for the park. I mean in the states there is one in Virginia, one in Florida. IT would be the first Dive Machine in the midwest and a big draw since there aren't many of them out there currently! But the two that exist are at Busch parks, where the themeing makes them seem much better than they would be with CF's traditional them....you know what I mean. But, if they could come up with something new and different, I would love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkroz Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Not to mention one of the visual draws of the Dive Machine is the splashdown. Been there, done that, though... Plus, Dive Machines work really well at high-capacity parks. The Busch Parks are destination parks (the Tampa one perhaps moreso than the Williamsburg one, but they're still parks that people save up to go to as opposed to parks like Kings Island or Carowinds that cater to locals and the tri-state area for 90% of ticket sales). Griffon has an incredible throughput. I was there last week with the line out the door and through all the turnstyles. The sign said 15 minutes, and they weren't kidding. They dispatch those rides so fast... There were times when the train was ready to go, all checked, and they had to wait as the operator tracked the train already on the course, coming over the loudspeaker and saying "Approaching drop... On holding brakes... Approaching block... Annnnndddddddd ALRIGHT enjoy your ride on the mythical wings of Griffon!" etc because the train was ready to go before it was able to be launched. I feel like, at Kings Island, there would physically be no line after the first week of operation because they're so efficient. One operator to check each row you just walk right down and go "check check check check check" ten times and in one fell swoop you've checked half the train. And as Beetle said, the thing that makes the Dive Machines so appealing is the theme. Whether it's diving through ruined temples full of fog with the story being that you're a shikra (an African bird said to drive straight down through the air to snatch it's prey from the water) or you're amid terraces covered in vines and amid pools of water under the impression that you're witnessing the speed and power of a mythical half-eagle, half-lion... At Kings Island, the same ride might be called "Skyhawk" or something ridiculous and redundant, and it would not be built into the terrain, it would not be themed appropriately and beautifully, and it would almost certainly not have the signature splashdown. So what would be the point? And as I said earlier, how exactly do you market it? "New at Kings Island in 2012 - Skyhawk! The same height, the same speed, the same drop as Diamondback, but steeper and... different!" Might not catch on.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongliveKingsCobra Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Hmmmm...I feel like you are making an assuption about CF not theming it right. I for one think DB is nice. The "Concrete Lake" doesn't look all that concrete, it's nice. I think CF would do their best, I mean would it go underground? I doubt that...would it have a splash down? Well, we all saw their responce to your Back Lot question (ie Look to your left), so maybe there will be something else to attract people, taller than all the other Dive Machines? Holdes you vertical instead of semi-vertical? Who knows? No one does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacoli Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Not to mention one of the visual draws of the Dive Machine is the splashdown. Been there, done that, though... Plus, Dive Machines work really well at high-capacity parks. The Busch Parks are destination parks (the Tampa one perhaps moreso than the Williamsburg one, but they're still parks that people save up to go to as opposed to parks like Kings Island or Carowinds that cater to locals and the tri-state area for 90% of ticket sales). Griffon has an incredible throughput. I was there last week with the line out the door and through all the turnstyles. The sign said 15 minutes, and they weren't kidding. They dispatch those rides so fast... There were times when the train was ready to go, all checked, and they had to wait as the operator tracked the train already on the course, coming over the loudspeaker and saying "Approaching drop... On holding brakes... Approaching block... Annnnndddddddd ALRIGHT enjoy your ride on the mythical wings of Griffon!" etc because the train was ready to go before it was able to be launched. I feel like, at Kings Island, there would physically be no line after the first week of operation because they're so efficient. One operator to check each row you just walk right down and go "check check check check check" ten times and in one fell swoop you've checked half the train. And as Beetle said, the thing that makes the Dive Machines so appealing is the theme. Whether it's diving through ruined temples full of fog with the story being that you're a shikra (an African bird said to drive straight down through the air to snatch it's prey from the water) or you're amid terraces covered in vines and amid pools of water under the impression that you're witnessing the speed and power of a mythical half-eagle, half-lion... At Kings Island, the same ride might be called "Skyhawk" or something ridiculous and redundant, and it would not be built into the terrain, it would not be themed appropriately and beautifully, and it would almost certainly not have the signature splashdown. So what would be the point? And as I said earlier, how exactly do you market it? "New at Kings Island in 2012 - Skyhawk! The same height, the same speed, the same drop as Diamondback, but steeper and... different!" Might not catch on.. Just say"New at King's Island in 2012 - Skyhawk! Where you can dive 200 feet straight down!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Whats wrong with B&M? I Think they make the finest steel coasters in the business. If we were to get a new coaster who would you rather have make it? And why does it have to be crazy and unique? Just like the aforementioned Vortex, there's little unique about it other than the track layout, but there still to this day are a million arrow mega loopers out there. Really? In North America, off the top of my head, I can think of only 15...and I doubt there are even half a dozen operating in the rest of the world. Where is this million of which you speak? Terp, who has been carefully watching these coasters disappear one by one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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