jorybop Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 here is the link http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=tykLAAAAIBAJ&sjid=mVEDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1512,4232659&dq=kings+island&hl=en Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasper Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 Nice find, but as far I have seen I don't think anyone has really contradicted the death of Tower Johnny. It has been known for a long while now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 And more links: http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=21833 http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=19800 http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=14635 http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=13965 http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=281 http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1588 http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12949 http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2390 Using the search feature, you are able to find many things. Welcome to KIC! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KI FANATIC 37 Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 He probably didn't know about this.Because he just joined today. (Not trying to be rude to you) Welcome to KIC! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dbfan Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 His name wasnt even Johnny? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorybop Posted September 28, 2010 Author Share Posted September 28, 2010 i actually posted this for a friend cause she didnt believe me that the boy really fell so i added the link so she could see for herself. i know there are several spots in the forum talking about this already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shaggy Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Fun trivia worth noting... When the park first opened, the Eiffel Tower observation levels only had the 4 foot permiter fence on each deck. That's right, all you had holding you back was the 4 foot railing! Here's a pic from opening day in 1972... note the railings (Or lack thereof): In the mid 1970s the park installed the metal "cheesegrater" fencing to the base of the railings (under the 4 foot railing) on each observation deck. Why? 1. Guests would set items down only to accidently kick them off. 2. Children would attempt to squeeze their heads and bodies between the bars. They also added bars that extended about 2' above the 4' perimeter railing on the 265' and 275' decks. Here's a pic circa 1975's: The 1981 "Tower Johnny" accident prompted several changes to the Eiffel Tower. 1. The 50 foot platform was closed. (most know this already.) 2. As noted above, the railings on the 265' platform prior to the accident were simply bars that extended up 4 feet, then a railing, then another 2 feet above that. They did not extend to the top of each opening. After the accident, the bars were extended to the top. 3. As noted above, the railings on the 275' platform prior to the accident were also simply bars that extended up 4 feet, then a railing, then another 2 feet above that. The "ceiling" of bars on the top platform did not exist. After the accident, the bars were extended to enclose the entire platform. And here's the tower as it exists from 1981 to today: Shaggy 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coaster_junky Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 His name wasnt even Johnny? his name was john harter. johnny is usually a nickname given to people named john. ...and lets face it, tower john would be easy to confuse with something else, not to mention all the people who would be looking for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TombraiderTy Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Shaggy, To my understanding, the cheese-grater bottom and additional bars at the top of the Tower were actually added midway through the 1972. As seen in the Partridge Family episode, filmed at Kings Island in 1972: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Shaggy, Do you happen to know why was the spike removed and why is the satellite still on the tower since the tower at KD doesn't have one? Even KD's tower still has a spike which KI's doesn't. I do, however, prefer KI's than KD's (been to KI, but never to KD) because it is one of my favorite things to look at KI. I believe it will be the only thing that will last longer than any other rides/buildings. That is how special it is, it is what KI is all about because it made KI so famous. It was actually planned for Coney Island and install where the Lost River was located, but the flood cancelled that plan so the Wachs' kept the tower plan for KI. Curtis Summers actually designed the tower, but I don't know if he was the only one who designed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Terpy or anyone else, do you know the answers to my questions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordSkippy Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 I remember hearing somewhere that the spike was removed to make the tower 'shorter' so that Drop Zone could be advertised as the tallest thing in the park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 The spike was removed long before then, in order to install the antenna there. And, as far as I know, Curtis Summers did indeed design the Eiffel Tower. On other projects, he often corroborated with Charlie Dinn, but I believe the tower was Summers alone. Shaggy will know more about this than me, no doubt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dbfan Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 His name wasnt even Johnny? his name was john harter. johnny is usually a nickname given to people named john. ...and lets face it, tower john would be easy to confuse with something else, not to mention all the people who would be looking for it. I read Jim in that article for some reason...haha my bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 The spike was removed long before then, in order to install the antenna there. And, as far as I know, Curtis Summers did indeed design the Eiffel Tower. On other projects, he often corroborated with Charlie Dinn, but I believe the tower was Summers alone. Shaggy will know more about this than me, no doubt. I've never heard Curtis Summer mentioned with the Eiffel Tower's design. Here's what I do know: Around the 1968 season, the heads of Cincinnati Coney Island decided to install an observation tower to take the place of the Lost River dark ride attraction. Gary Wachs (the man responsible for KI) met with Intamin in Zurich Switzerland and ordered a tower. When the Taft monetary backing for KI's construction was obtained - Wachs immediately called and postponed the order from Intamin. Wachs then hired a gentleman by the name of Bruce Bushman from Hollywood to conceptualize the park's main entrance plaza and entrance theming. Mr Bushman was one of Walt Disney's Imagineers who had been a key player in the development of Disneyland. He spent a good part of his career as a layout artist with Disney. He worked on many Disney shorts and movies such as Pinnochio. When "Uncle Walt" began developing Disneyland, Mr Bushman was immediately transferred to WED Design as one of the original Imagineers. At WED, he was placed in charge of designing/conceptualizing perhaps the most crucial part of Disneyland's themed areas - Fantasyland. He is credited as giving the area it's original feel and designing many of those unforgettable early Disneyland character dark rides. Bruce Bushman eventually left Disney and moved to Hanna Barbera productions where he returned to his animation/layout artist roots. During this time, he conceptualized the idea for a Flintstones themed amusement park - of which renderings and proposals exist to this very day. The Flintstones park never materialized, obviously, and eventually Hanna Barbera was encorporated into KI's design. At the end of his career, he become an individual consultant to many regional theme parks cropping up across the US in the late 1960's and early 1970s. It was Bushman who developed the concept of "International Street" at KI encorporating the parameters Wachs had given him (Octoberfest theming, an observation tower, shops, eateries and elaborate fountains - all of which Wachs had seen at the World's Fair years eariler. ) For the fountain construction/installation, the head of the Cincinnati Coney Island Sunlite pool's operation at the time - Charlie Flack - was placed in charge. As part of Bushman's design concept, the Fountains lead to an elaborate observation tower themed to the Eiffel Tower. So thus the tower became as the park's focal point... and Wachs and Bushman presented the concept to Intamin. Intamin then engineered the ride, and it was built in Graz Austria and partially dissasembled. The ride was shipped overseas in a pre-assembled state and the components re-assembled at the park. The total cost of the Eiffel Tower's engineering, shipping and install was $1.4 million. Mr Bushman died in February 1972, 4 months before KI opened. He never saw the full realization of his concept for KI's grand entrance. Shaggy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 I just found the link to Bushman's concept art for the Flintstones park that never materialized... here you go: http://mistertoast.blogspot.com/2007/04/hanna-barbera-land.html 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoasterKrazy Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Do you happen to know why was the spike removed and why is the satellite still on the tower since the tower at KD doesn't have one? I was told that the spike on top of the Tower was removed in order to make it easier (and safer) for maintenance personnel to replace the light at the top of the tower. This replacement was done regularly in order to follow federal aviation requirements, and by removing the spike and installing the light elsewhere, the process wasn't as daunting as it had been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Thank you for the information on Bruce Bushman - I have been looking for that for a long time! The spike was removed long before then, in order to install the antenna there. And, as far as I know, Curtis Summers did indeed design the Eiffel Tower. On other projects, he often corroborated with Charlie Dinn, but I believe the tower was Summers alone. Shaggy will know more about this than me, no doubt. I've never heard Curtis Summer mentioned with the Eiffel Tower's design. Here's what I do know: Around the 1968 season, the heads of Cincinnati Coney Island decided to install an observation tower to take the place of the Lost River dark ride attraction. Gary Wachs (the man responsible for KI) met with Intamin in Zurich Switzerland and ordered a tower. When the Taft monetary backing for KI's construction was obtained - Wachs immediately called and postponed the order from Intamin. Wachs then hired a gentleman by the name of Bruce Bushman from Hollywood to conceptualize the park's main entrance plaza and entrance theming. Mr Bushman was one of Walt Disney's Imagineers who had been a key player in the development of Disneyland. He spent a good part of his career as a layout artist with Disney. He worked on many Disney shorts and movies such as Pinnochio. When "Uncle Walt" began developing Disneyland, Mr Bushman was immediately transferred to WED Design as one of the original Imagineers. At WED, he was placed in charge of designing/conceptualizing perhaps the most crucial part of Disneyland's themed areas - Fantasyland. He is credited as giving the area it's original feel and designing many of those unforgettable early Disneyland character dark rides. Bruce Bushman eventually left Disney and moved to Hanna Barbera productions where he returned to his animation/layout artist roots. During this time, he conceptualized the idea for a Flintstones themed amusement park - of which renderings and proposals exist to this very day. The Flintstones park never materialized, obviously, and eventually Hanna Barbera was encorporated into KI's design. At the end of his career, he become an individual consultant to many regional theme parks cropping up across the US in the late 1960's and early 1970s. It was Bushman who developed the concept of "International Street" at KI encorporating the parameters Wachs had given him (Octoberfest theming, an observation tower, shops, eateries and elaborate fountains - all of which Wachs had seen at the World's Fair years eariler. ) For the fountain construction/installation, the head of the Cincinnati Coney Island Sunlite pool's operation at the time - Charlie Flack - was placed in charge. As part of Bushman's design concept, the Fountains lead to an elaborate observation tower themed to the Eiffel Tower. So thus the tower became as the park's focal point... and Wachs and Bushman presented the concept to Intamin. Intamin then engineered the ride, and it was built in Graz Austria and partially dissasembled. The ride was shipped overseas in a pre-assembled state and the components re-assembled at the park. The total cost of the Eiffel Tower's engineering, shipping and install was $1.4 million. Mr Bushman died in February 1972, 4 months before KI opened. He never saw the full realization of his concept for KI's grand entrance. Shaggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 One of the windows on Main Street at Disneyland features Bushman's name. Those that follow Disney Parks know that the highest honor in all Disney is to have your name memorialized somewhere on Main Street. Although I question it's validity a bit, here is a picture of (I believe) Mr Bushman at work for Disney. Mr Bushman was always described as "husky" so Walt used him as a guide for the attraction seats at Disneyland. Because he was larger, if he fit, then Walt knew all parents would be able to fit in the attractions and ride with their kids. This photo does not suggest his being "husky," but then it's an early photo circa 1953 (pre-production time of 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.) Mr Bushman was fond of playing Santa at Christmas... this fellow doesn't look very Santa-like to me ;-) None-the-less, if it's him, then it is a rare look at the man responsible for KI's International Street. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Do you happen to know why was the spike removed and why is the satellite still on the tower since the tower at KD doesn't have one? I was told that the spike on top of the Tower was removed in order to make it easier (and safer) for maintenance personnel to replace the light at the top of the tower. This replacement was done regularly in order to follow federal aviation requirements, and by removing the spike and installing the light elsewhere, the process wasn't as daunting as it had been. That makes sense to me. It may be true. So, I guess the park keeping the satellite on the tower remains a mystery/secret, hmmm...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XGatorHead 8904 Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Mr Bushman was always described as "husky" so Walt used him as a guide for the attraction seats at Disneyland. Because he was larger, if he fit, then Walt knew all parents would be able to fit in the attractions and ride with their kids. Then in addition to International Street, I have something else to thank Mr. Bushman for. Thank you, Mr. Bushman, for helping make the Disney parks some of the bigger-people-friendly parks anywhere! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 His work was also instrumental in the design of Dream Street and the rest of the park in New Jersey... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIfan73 Posted October 2, 2010 Share Posted October 2, 2010 Fascinating info in this topic. We are so lucky to have such knowledgeable people on here. Those Hanna Barbara Land sketches are some of the coolest things I've seen in awhile. If I didn't know any better, those buildings look like they could have lined International Street. I can't help but wonder if H-B is still popular enough for a H-B park, or park area to go over. I know I'd go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieseltech20 Posted October 2, 2010 Share Posted October 2, 2010 It would go over well with the older people mainly. Though my kids get a chuckle from some of the old cartoons shown on Boomerang. For me, watching old HB cartoons is painful, especially the ones that tried to be dramatic and many of them had horrid animation, even for their time, lol. Still, H&B were responsible for my second favorite cartoon series ever, Tom & Jerry, so I would happily take my family to a park made in their honor. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIfan73 Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Of course, there are the new Yogi and Smurf movies coming out in the next year. It's a crying shame that Yogi's Picnic Basket restaurant never saw the light of day. What a great Rivertown restaurant that could have made! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieseltech20 Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Yeah, I saw the trailer for the Yogi movie. Looks like more TV show to movie garbage that shouldn't be made. Still, kids today will probably love it and that will renew interest in Yogi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIMonster14 Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 This topic is really cool! I like reading all of the HBLand and Eifell Tower information! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastersRZ Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Thanks Shaggy for all that wonderful information about the Eiffel Tower and design of International Street! I always love reading your posts. The bit you posted about Charlie Flack from Coney has me intrigued now. There was a Coney veteran who had a son that worked/works at Kings Island. I seem to recall this Coney veteran died around September of last year. The name escaped me now, but the tidbit about Coney piqued my brain about it. Now I`ll be going nuts trying to remember the name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 And a bump for our newer members. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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