KIBOB Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 I have always thought that while absolutely marvelous to look at, Son of Beast's sturcture appeared questionable. If you look at Son of Beast's architecture as opposed to other wooden coasters in the park, it definintely looks more unorganized, or as I like to describe it, a rat's nest of wood. The lateral supports look as if they were rushed with construction. To sum it all up, the entire thing just looks misaligned. If the awkward sturctural style of Son of Beast is due to the rides incredible scale, and not a factor of being rushed, then perhaps wood really shouldn't be built to those heights. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIfan73 Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 Just came across a pic from 2008: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbt Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 I can't help but feel more fascinated by Son of Beast every time I go to the park. I never had a chance to ride it, but I'm drawn to the mystery structure from just about anywhere in the park. The most interesting glimpses are those from Adventure Express and Flight Deck. I feel like I should get some good pictures before it's demolished with an announcement after the fact. Not that anything like that has ever happened... (*cough*TheCrypt*cough*) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyrocoasterkid Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 I have always thought that while absolutely marvelous to look at, Son of Beast's sturcture appeared questionable. If you look at Son of Beast's architecture as opposed to other wooden coasters in the park, it definintely looks more unorganized, or as I like to describe it, a rat's nest of wood. The lateral supports look as if they were rushed with construction. To sum it all up, the entire thing just looks misaligned. If the awkward sturctural style of Son of Beast is due to the rides incredible scale, and not a factor of being rushed, then perhaps wood really shouldn't be built to those heights. I always thought the same thing, especially in the awkward diagonals. But if you look at all of the coasters that RCCA built around the world, they all have that "misaligned" and "unorganized" look, especially in the lateral and diagonal support structure. http://www.rcdb.com/r.htm?ot=2&co=6918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark6495 Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 while Im not sure if this is true or not but I had read/heard that the "mismatch" look of the track is because of something to do with the physics of the train and the weight. It was something about the way the force is spread out to be supported by all of the track and supports and not just wood directly below the cars... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSalsa Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 For comparison, here's another RCCA wooden coaster, this one's from Japan and it's name is White Canyon: Notice the supports are VERY similar to Son of Beast... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaiderFTW Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 while Im not sure if this is true or not but I had read/heard that the "mismatch" look of the track is because of something to do with the physics of the train and the weight. It was something about the way the force is spread out to be supported by all of the track and supports and not just wood directly below the cars... Yeah, that's pretty much the basics of structural mechanics. Son of Beast looks like that because it has to look something like that. With wood piled that high, I'm sure they don't want all the weight of the train and the upper supports going to the supports directly beneath the track. It's actually a pretty remarkable engineering accomplishment. I actually think they look quite a bit like Dinn Corp.'s and CCI's supports, except they just have those extra beams both parallel and perpendicular to the track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark6495 Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 ^ kind of wonder if the track had the extra supports from the beginning if it would never of had the "crack".... I have been looking for a news video about SOB but I just cannot find it. It had a man talking about the crack and had an animation of the train going over the broken track... anyone else have this video saved somewhere? and if they do, I would appreciate them posting it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldschool75 Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 Yes, someone does. Beat Terpy to the punch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jr for Birdy Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 White Canyon looks like a 9 year old designed it." Maybe we should throw a few more boards up,just to be safe,go grab me the hammer". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaiderFTW Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 ^ Not really. It looks like a wooden coaster built in an area prone to earthquakes, thus requiring that the supports be overdesigned lest the ride require being rebuilt after such an event. Which, as a matter of fact, it is. Take a look at the solid wall of supports of Nagashima Spaland's White Cyclone for another example of that. (Then again, it's not like I've got any of the design data for either ride--for all I know, the truss is horrible somewhere inside both of them. I'm just making the point that having seemingly overdone supports doesn't mean they were done poorly.) shark6495: If you mean the supports we just talked about, several of the visible ones seem to have been there from the beginning, as is somewhat visible in this photo: If you mean the supports they added after the incident... It's kind of hard to guess. I got the impression from the accident report that the train's shuffling caused forces to go in directions that hadn't have been accounted for in the initial design. But, in that case, you do make a good point: if there were additional types of supports that could dampen those sorts of movements in the supports when necessary, should they have been installed as part of the initial construction? Or did the trains cause a unique movement that couldn't have been planned for until the problem presented itself, so the only way to adjust the structure was by testing? (I don't know the answer to those questions--just thinking out loud.) Also, if anyone happens to find that video, I'd love to see it. From an engineering standpoint, the 2006 incident is very interesting to me (in a respectful way, of course. Experiencing the incident would have been very scary.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jr for Birdy Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Let me get this straight, White Canyon was designed like that in case of an earthquake,but is being rebuilt because of an earthquake! SO?? maybe a 9 year old did design it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccarthysnerd Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 I have seen the video mentioned above more than once but I have no idea where to watch it now. I first saw it on the news as "shark6495" did but then I saw it on the internet a few months ago...... Where I saw it, I do not know...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark6495 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 its okay I can go by just shark... no need to be formal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB1 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Please refer to- http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?/topic/25548-aliens-vs-sob-cinematic/page__pid__462840#entry462840 for further information-BB1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSalsa Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 Hmm...had no idea White Canyon was built to survive Earthquakes...ok, here's another RCCA Woodie, Bandit @ Movie Park Germany (note: this coaster is only 91 feet tall): Wow, the supports are still a mess even here, and on this much smaller scale... And here is another MONSTER wooden coaster, but from a different company- the gigantic Colossos @ Heide Park in Germany, which, at 199 feet, is second only to Son of Beast in height, but built by Intamin with Plug N' Play technology... Is it just me, or does Colossos not look "messy" at all? I don't think having pre-fabricated sections would change the way the coaster would need to distribute weight...here's a different angle, too: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stashua123 Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 i think that sob is done for because its had a turbuluent history and now theres evidence about that its being torn down i hope that a better company like intamin or GCI or GG could build a monster to replace it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 Evidence? Terpy, who likes to ask helpful questions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stashua123 Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 That mr ouimet said that sob was done for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medford Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 sounds more like hearsay than evidence at this point. May or may not be true, but I don't think that counts as evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pillsberry123 Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 I have a feeling that when Son of Beast DOES begin de-construction, the public will know about it. I also have a feeling that the public will be told about a brand new attraction in the exact same breath. Do I mean another large wooden coaster? No. Do I mean another thrill ride? Not necessarily. "We will begin dismantling SOB in the 20-- offesason, but we have a new attraction for the 20-- season!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jr for Birdy Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Spoke to some big wigs at Soak City,doesnt look to good for SOB. Still some light but not much! Basically,dont get your hopes up,is what i took from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingsIsland vs. Cedarpoint Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 If they tear down Son of Beast I could see Kings Island going to ways.. 1. Replace it with a giant coaster another skyline. 2. Make a new part of the park and add bunch of flat rides an 1 or 2 little coasters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongliveKingsCobra Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Another Skyline? Doesn't the park already have one!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Another Skyline? Doesn't the park already have one!? No gold star for you. The park has TWO Skylines. (Some of us would prefer The Flavor of Cincinnati). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongliveKingsCobra Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Although Dixie Chili is quite good too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corn4ahead Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 I miss the footlong Skyline stand in RT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Another Skyline? Doesn't the park already have one!? No gold star for you. The park has TWO Skylines. (Some of us would prefer The Flavor of Cincinnati). That sends a chili down my spine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KI FANATIC 37 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Anybody have any pictures of SoB or of its station? I really want to see it, really miss it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KI FANATIC 37 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 I have a feeling that when Son of Beast DOES begin de-construction, the public will know about it. I also have a feeling that the public will be told about a brand new attraction in the exact same breath. Do I mean another large wooden coaster? No. Do I mean another thrill ride? Not necessarily. "We will begin dismantling SOB in the 20-- offesason, but we have a new attraction for the 20-- season!" I agree with that. The question is what year will this happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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