diamonbackandbeastlover Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Does anyone know why one of the trains is always stored on the lift hill on only Vortex? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastForever Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I do not understand the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedevariouseffect Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Where is the position of all the trains at closing? One on lift, where are the others placed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamonbackandbeastlover Posted October 9, 2013 Author Share Posted October 9, 2013 Only votex stores a train on its lift. Why is that? And where are the other two stored? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markhudson17 Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I believe flight deck also stores a train on the lift at night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedevariouseffect Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I'm surprised but I'm not surprised by storing on the lift. For FD I can see storing on the lift, because even for my rides @ CP we weren't allowed to transfer off ID, it also takes forever to do unlike most other coasters. Vortex, I don't know why they don't utilize the transfer table...You can put two trains there and then one in the station before e-stopping for the night. Leaving a train on the lift hill is ok, it's not a huge problem, but maint. wise you can't really get under it like the transfer table and easily work and plus on AM starts, that actually does put a good bit of strain on the lift motor, but ah well..dunno why they technically do it, or why KI ride ops can't transfer off their own units...ah well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamonbackandbeastlover Posted October 9, 2013 Author Share Posted October 9, 2013 Does it increase the amount of maint. Needed done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creed Bratton Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Not 100% but I think they rotate the train that gets parked on the lift hill. Could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIVortex Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Adventure Express used to park trains on the lift too back when they ran 3 train operation! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flightoffear1996 Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I'm surprised but I'm not surprised by storing on the lift. For FD I can see storing on the lift, because even for my rides @ CP we weren't allowed to transfer off ID, it also takes forever to do unlike most other coasters. Vortex, I don't know why they don't utilize the transfer table...You can put two trains there and then one in the station before e-stopping for the night. Leaving a train on the lift hill is ok, it's not a huge problem, but maint. wise you can't really get under it like the transfer table and easily work and plus on AM starts, that actually does put a good bit of strain on the lift motor, but ah well..dunno why they technically do it, or why KI ride ops can't transfer off their own units...ah well Im not a roller coaster mechanic but there wouldn't be any extra strain on the motor since the train should be resting against the anti-roll backs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedevariouseffect Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 It's resting on the rollbacks, the chain dog is still engaged as well. But the stress of restarting the motor in immediate stress is the issue. It's like having your bike on a hill in the highest gear up a hill 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy11 Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Maybe it saves time just parking a train up there for testing tomorrow morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedevariouseffect Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Still seems odd..but again it still seems odd that ki ride ops can't transfer off their own ride they work everyday ah well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIVortex Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I think it has to do with the fact that KI allows minors to operate rides. At Cedar Point you must be 18 to operate rides! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedevariouseffect Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Good point...darn minors...don't get me started hah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevKenny Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Vortex, Flight Deck, AE, could it be an Arrow thing? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedevariouseffect Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 It's just a ki thing so far...all the arrows except for iron dragon transfer units off and park on safety and ready brakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dom497 Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I'm not quite sure if Wonderland still does this but I know a few years back, they parked one of Vortex's trains on the lift hill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy11 Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Good point...darn minors...don't get me started hah I am a minor... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedevariouseffect Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Yeah minors shouldnt be in charge of people's lives and a multi million dollar attraction...just my opinion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy11 Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Yeah minors shouldnt be in charge of people's lives and a multi million dollar attraction...just my opinion Yeah, I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ Kinda Guy Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 In answer to the original question; parking a train on the lift is easier and safer than going out and chalking and chaining a train on the safety brakes. The trains are not rotated either. Nor is there any more stress put on the lift motor when a train is parked there for the night. Also, being a minor has nothing to with not parking train on the storage rails. It's simply not needed and unnecessary. At least on the Arrow coasters. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedevariouseffect Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 So explain to me why my lift blew mid season when we restarted the lift with a train dead on it from shutting down in the rain...and this is what a maint worker told us...and the lift was fine and running all day beforehand... It's not hard to chain the trains..the only one that needs to be chained is the one on the tables storage brake not the one on the ready brake Parking the trains allows all aspects of the train to be inspected, including the chain dogs, all wheels, and anti rollbacks.. Again minors aren't at cp and we do it every day at every ride except a few that are unable to transfer..but at ki only maint transfers off the trains if the ride does transfer off at night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ Kinda Guy Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 So explain to me why my lift blew mid season when we restarted the lift with a train dead on it from shutting down in the rain...and this is what a maint worker told us...and the lift was fine and running all day beforehand... It's not hard to chain the trains..the only one that needs to be chained is the one on the tables storage brake not the one on the ready brake Parking the trains allows all aspects of the train to be inspected, including the chain dogs, all wheels, and anti rollbacks.. Again minors aren't at cp and we do it every day at every ride except a few that are unable to transfer..but at ki only maint transfers off the trains if the ride does transfer off at night 1. The Vortex is not Corkscrew. Secondly, the lift motors are not the same. 2. It's easier for maintenance to inspect the underneath the trains on the ready brakes. At least on the Arrows. 3. Minors transfer the trains off The Beast to the storage shed at the end of the night. Being a half assed ride op at Cedar Point does not make you an expert on Arrow roller coasters at KI. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedevariouseffect Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Actually again..this wasn't corkscrew...this was Maggie...try again...also very minor differences, I bet everything is the sake except for the rpm it runs at and the power at the output shaft. The ready and storage brake are. under the same platform they're right next to eachother, theres no difference Beast is transferred off my maint. I believe it's even been brought up on here before but I have asked the crew about it too..they manually push them down the track in the shed I wasn't half assed, considering the multiple promotions in one year, and would have come back if not for the lack of good pay and going military... Also again being promoted and having to do inspections with maint you learn quite a lot about your rides you work at... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondbill Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 An electric motor makes peak torque at 0 rpm it also draws maximum amperage at 0 rpm due to the longer dwell time. Higher amperage creates higher temperature and stresses all the circuits, so starting an electric motor at maximum load causes more stress on all parts of the circuit. I do realize that the train is empty on start up but there still is a significant load. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ Kinda Guy Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Also again being promoted and having to do inspections with maint you learn quite a lot about your rides you work at... There is a huge difference between a full time maintenance worker and a ride op who tags along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedevariouseffect Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Didn't actually know all that involved diamondbill, nifty explanation, and also thank you And again...we had to go with them during several inspections..not many ride ops you know get to go change a wheel, hub bearing, and seal it with maint showing you the ropes...I've had that luxury..I loved the rides I worked and enjoyed taking care of them...so again I know more than your normal ride op..certainly not half assed ones as you propose 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ Kinda Guy Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 ..not many ride ops you know get to go change a wheel, hub bearing, and seal it ... You even got to "seal it?" I'm so jealous. Please flood my inbox with your encyclopedia-like knowledge of steel coasters. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedevariouseffect Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 The plastic cap that goes over the bearing that you...ah forget what it was but you basically caulk it on to keep dust, water, and dirt out of the bearing shaft and area...had to take the whole hub and everything off...uremet supplies us with a brand new wheel assembly hub, bearing, cotter pin, ect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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