adam12 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 Paramount shouldn't have ever put their name on the park. I personally think it cheapened up the park, it made it a little Wal-Martish if you ask me. I don't have a problem with the park changing owners every 10-12 years, but for heaven sake, leave the park as a single entity! Let it be the special one of a kind thing it is and let it show its unique beauty. If I were a prospective buyer of the park, I would be rather upset that everything has Paramount on it. I would feel like I was buying something that another company made their own, screwed it up and is now trying to sell it. It will cost 100s of thousands of dollars to remove Paramount label from everything. I'm also interested to know if this website will change its address/name when the sale of Kings Island goes through. They should change it to KICentral.com, it should have been that in the first place. Comments? I would love to hear them... -adam12 =^D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 Comments... Why do you think Paramount bought the parks? To promote PARAMOUNT........why does Disney have parks.....to promote DISNEY...hence the objective of a theme park. Hundreds of thousands of dollars to remove everything paramount? Wheres your reasoning for that......id like to see your facts for removing logos and signs to the point where it costs thousands of dollars unless your talking about leasing viacom rights. Paramount bought the park and made it worse? Spare me your nonsense, KI has been more profitable and sucessful than ever, the park chain is well respected and worth quite a lot, KI and PCW have some of the highest attendance among parks each year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erosarrow05 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 I fail to see how hollywood branding made the park more, as you so eloquently put it, 'wal mart - ish'... An amusement park is an amusement park its not exactly a unique entity. Cedar Point, Kings Island... all these seasonal places dont scream "unique" to me. They may have some unique attractions but the place itself is far from one of a kind. I guess Universal and Disney are somewhat unique but i still personally wouldnt classify any of them to be so far outside of what the rest of the amusement world has to offer. If you were buying the park, and were upset that everything had paramount on it, I dont really think they would be all that interested in selling to you. I would assume, as it has been stated many times before on here, that the purchaser of Paramount Parks will purchase the themes as well. Furthermore, where has it been said that "Paramount Parks has screwed up and is trying to sell" ??? For the record... I personally think that Kings Island is asthetically pleasing. If youre gonna get huffy about the in park marketing, get over it. It is a place of business afterall. I certainly dont think that Paramount has cheapend anything or ruined the image of the park. In fact i like what has been done... every year... and im thankful that i live so close to park that is willing to invest the money they have into what the guests would like to see. Its so annoying to listen to people moan and groan about such stupid things like paramount did this, paramount did that... boo hoo blah blah.... the fact of the matter is, the park is open for business and thriving. What else can you ask for? Need I remind some of the people here that like to poke and prod at the good people at viacom, we could have gone the route of a certain park in texas... so go ahead ... boo me if you want... :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam12 Posted April 18, 2006 Author Share Posted April 18, 2006 Comments... Why do you think Paramount bought the parks? To promote PARAMOUNT........why does Disney have parks.....to promote DISNEY...hence the objective of a theme park. Hundreds of thousands of dollars to remove everything paramount? Wheres your reasoning for that......id like to see your facts for removing logos and signs to the point where it costs thousands of dollars unless your talking about leasing viacom rights. Paramount bought the park and made it worse? Spare me your nonsense, KI has been more profitable and sucessful than ever, the park chain is well respected and worth quite a lot, KI and PCW have some of the highest attendance among parks each year. There are 2 key points you hit on here that drive my thoughts home. :-) 1.) Yes I'm talking about "leasing Viacom rights" They should have made the rides original to the park, just like the creators of the park did. 2.) Yes the parks are worth a lot, but they would be worth more if they were maintained like they were meant to be. Paramount doesn't keep up the rides. Example: TRTR, FOF, TG, AE just to name a few. I have also noticed the park isn't near as clean as it use to be. I understand costs go up and labor goes up, but so do the ticket prices, but I don't see the quality of the park staying the same. sad... -adam12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erosarrow05 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 You make no sense... Why would i go to Paramounts Kings Island to ride the forbidden temple ride or rather... Tomb Raider the ride Parmount parks are not the creators of Kings Island.... they are the owners, which means they get to do what they want ... and that means they get to make there own original rides unique to the paramount branding... I dont think you fully understand the concept of marketing The rides are unique to the park.... you are just complaining about the names?! Just because thematic elements or rides currently arent functional doesnt mean they are beyond repair.... for all you know they could just be deactivated... That is not going to devalue the park, nor will the fact a Coke cup is on the ground. maybe you should find a new amusement park to visit?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enchanted Voyager Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 I ain't touching this topic with a sixty foot pole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam12 Posted April 18, 2006 Author Share Posted April 18, 2006 You make no sense... Why would i go to Paramounts Kings Island to ride the forbidden temple ride or Tomb Raider the ride The rides are unique to the park.... you are just complaining about the names?! oh my.... maybe you should find a new amusement park to visit?! I guess I'm just set in my ways... I like the extra attention to detail and unfortunately those days are gone and seem to be gone forever. Like for example, if you look at old pictures of Kings Island, all the walkways are painted and all the bushes were trimed. I want todays youth to experiance what an amusement park use to be and still should be. (tear) -adam12 :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam12 Posted April 18, 2006 Author Share Posted April 18, 2006 I ain't touching this topic with a sixty foot pole. ROFL! Why not? :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erosarrow05 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 i see... well shrubs and sidewalks are serious business.... If you dont think they are doing a good job.... why dont you write them a letter... its obvious they take what people say into consideration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RingMaster Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 Like for example, if you look at old pictures of Kings Island, all the walkways are painted and all the bushes were trimed. I want todays youth to experiance what an amusement park use to be and still should be. (tear) -adam12 :-( Today's youth IS experiencing what an amusement used to and still should be. It's called Nickelodeon Universe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 You make no sense... Why would i go to Paramounts Kings Island to ride the forbidden temple ride or Tomb Raider the ride The rides are unique to the park.... you are just complaining about the names?! oh my.... maybe you should find a new amusement park to visit?! I guess I'm just set in my ways... I like the extra attention to detail and unfortunately those days are gone and seem to be gone forever. Like for example, if you look at old pictures of Kings Island, all the walkways are painted and all the bushes were trimed. I want todays youth to experiance what an amusement park use to be and still should be. (tear) -adam12 :-( I'm confident it will get back to that point. I think that this is just going to be a difficult year. But Gawd Willing, the park will be out of Paramount's hands soon and hopefully it will get that special TLC again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam12 Posted April 18, 2006 Author Share Posted April 18, 2006 You make no sense... Why would i go to Paramounts Kings Island to ride the forbidden temple ride or  Tomb Raider the ride The rides are unique to the park.... you are just complaining about the names?! oh my.... maybe you should find a new amusement park to visit?! I guess I'm just set in my ways... I like the extra attention to detail and unfortunately those days are gone and seem to be gone forever. Like for example, if you look at old pictures of Kings Island, all the walkways are painted and all the bushes were trimed. I want todays youth to experiance what an amusement park use to be and still should be. (tear) -adam12 :-( I'm confident it will get back to that point. I think that this is just going to be a difficult year. But Gawd Willing, the park will be out of Paramount's hands soon and hopefully it will get that special TLC again. AMEN BROTHER!!! -adam12 :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erosarrow05 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 Well, we can only hope that the future owners contact you about the appropriate way to run an amusement park since you can attest to how paramount single hadedly destroyed Kings Island lol For all the damage and destruction paramount has done, they sure can rake in the attendance numbers... I can appreciate your comments though... but lets be real... Paramount hasnt done anything but improve the parks value and reputation however, the 'good ole' boys sometimes wish to live in the past.... i wonder if its even possible for wooferbear or this adam12 to list 5 things that paramount has done to the park they appreciate.... Furthermore... To wooferbear and adam12... When you go to pki, if you go... do you just walk around in complete disgust or do you actually have a good time???? It seems like wooferbear especially just cant stand the taste of paramount.... I like it though.... tastes like chicken :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBNCIS Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 "1.) Yes I'm talking about "leasing Viacom rights" They should have made the rides original to the park, just like the creators of the park did." You mean you wish paramount would have put in original rides like all the ones in HANNA BARBARA LAND? And Paramount didn't put in any original rides. Are you forgetting about Drop Zone, the worlds tallest gyro drop, Reptar, the first inverted kids rollercoaster, SOB sure is a copy cat with all it's records, Delirium and TRTR worlds first giant top spin and giant frisbee and NICKELODEON UNIVERSE, largest collection of Nick rides in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam12 Posted April 19, 2006 Author Share Posted April 19, 2006 Well, we can only hope that the future owners contact you about the appropriate way to run an amusement park since you can attest to how paramount single hadedly destroyed Kings Island lol For all the damage and destruction paramount has done, they sure can rake in the attendance numbers... I can appreciate your comments though... but lets be real... Paramount hasnt done anything but improve the parks value and reputation however, the 'good ole' boys sometimes wish to live in the past.... i wonder if its even possible for wooferbear or this adam12 to list 5 things that paramount has done to the park they appreciate.... Furthermore... To wooferbear and adam12... When you go to pki, if you go... do you just walk around in complete disgust or do you actually have a good time???? It seems like wooferbear especially just cant stand the taste of paramount.... I like it though.... tastes like chicken :-D If these attendance numbers are so great, lets see them! Everyone talks the talk but never walks the walk... I have heard the numbers are down in the last couple of years. They changed the kind of park Kings Island once was. Kings Island started out as an amusement park not a theme park. The park had all kinds of entertainment and AMUSEMENTS, such as, awesome shows, and other entertainment like a clown band. Disney World still does things like that, I feel so much more entertained at Disney. Don’t start in on the funding, it doesn’t cost that much to have more entertainment compared to installing a 10 million dollar ride. Atmosphere (theme) is one thing, but being entertained (amused) is another. The last thing that burnt me that Paramount did other than putting the "Paramount" name on everything is they removed the show from the Festhaus. Now there are 3 or 4 large screens with low end projectors promoting Paramount’s latest films and shows. It really burns me when I pay money to hear advertisements! 5 things Paramount has done that I appreciate: 1.) Expanded the water park twice –That was very impressive. 2.) Son of Beast –This should be like the 3rd wonder of the world, I can’t believe they cared enough to carry on the tradition! 3.) Completely reconstructed the royal fountain. –I was impressed with this one! 4.) Brought back Winterfest –After they killed it 10 years ago. 5.) Installed Metal Detctors I have had a season pass to Kings Island for the last 5 or 6 years. Before that I had a pass in 1990, 91, 92, and 93. The difference between 1990 and now both good and bad seem to be VERY extreme. For instance, they Built Son of Beast, but yet they don’t take care of the other rides like AE, few of the special effects work, they have removed all the shows but 2, and the cleanliness and up keep of the park isn’t anywhere near what it once was. -adam12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 It's no secret that I will be dancing all night long when Paramount no longer has control of Kings Island. Now that being said, I think we all agree that in the last few years that Paramount had started to turn around and was refocusing on the guests and the individual parks. (Yes, I understand there was likely a learning curve.) This year (and I have not made it to the park yet this year) it sounds as if they are going back to trying to cut corners at every end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortexlover2 Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 I'd just like to say that this park has been getting golden tickets- excuse me- nick central and HBland hadvebeen getting golden tickets. Now Nick U. will defnetly get some. If you think that's off topic, then wh don't we just change the name of NU, take off the paint jobs, etc. NU IS UNIQUE where has anyone seen PP before? (with that theming) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam12 Posted April 19, 2006 Author Share Posted April 19, 2006 "1.) Yes I'm talking about "leasing Viacom rights" They should have made the rides original to the park, just like the creators of the park did." You mean you wish paramount would have put in original rides like all the ones in HANNA BARBARA LAND? And Paramount didn't put in any original rides. Are you forgetting about Drop Zone, the worlds tallest gyro drop, Reptar, the first inverted kids rollercoaster, SOB sure is a copy cat with all it's records, Delirium and TRTR worlds first giant top spin and giant frisbee and NICKELODEON UNIVERSE, largest collection of Nick rides in the world. The following are not original creations for the park, they are named after Paramount creations... Drop Zone http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109676/ Reptar http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101188/ TRTR http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0146316/ TRTR will be a huge issue for the new owners if they decide to not pay for the Paramount license to keep it as is. They will have to remove a lot of theming and figure out what to do with it, I would probably just remove all the theming and keep it as a huge inside top spin. Maybe freak people out by turning the lights on and off. SOB, like I said before, is a FREAKING miracle! I don't know how they ever convinced the execs to spend the money and not have Paramount branding on it. I think Delirium was a nice addition to the park; it has to be the coolest flat ride I have seen in a while. All the new owners will have to do is change the name. The Hanna Barbara name wasn't used because the original owners owned the name. They paid for the rights because they characters where popular. Paramount uses names because they own them and they want them promoted, not because they are popular. I really don't think I could be convinced that Kings Island has made more money because everything has Paramount branding on it. People don't go to Kings Island due to the ride names, they go to be entertained (amused)! I guess what I'm saying is that Kings Island needs to be something special on its own without help from other entertainment media. Kings Island was not created to promote movies or serve as toilet paper for a large movie and TV production company. -adam12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teenageninja Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 They wouldn't have to change anything in the ride chamber, in all honestly I think they would just have to change the movie in pre-show. Think about it, PKI bought all the props and half the people don't even know they are from the movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoaster Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 Yes PKI and hopefully soon to be again just Kings Island is not in any way going to make the people that go one day or us coaster and thrill fanatics totally pleased with all there decisions that sometimes seem to be more corporate minded than what the thrill fan wants. But PKI has done a bunch to add to the park yes the flowers and some of the paint on the side walks may be gone but our memories will never fail to remember the past like COBRA eagles the tiques, and more. But look at this years 2006 expansion of the worlds larges NICK area and they did a great job i'm sure though if they had closed that area for say 2 years they could have done plenty but what an improvement ot what they've done. To the new owners strive upkeep hopefully!!!! And expand without taking out rides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlfox_21 Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 Well, we can only hope that the future owners contact you about the appropriate way to run an amusement park since you can attest to how paramount single hadedly destroyed Kings Island lol For all the damage and destruction paramount has done, they sure can rake in the attendance numbers... I can appreciate your comments though... but lets be real... Paramount hasnt done anything but improve the parks value and reputation however, the 'good ole' boys sometimes wish to live in the past.... i wonder if its even possible for wooferbear or this adam12 to list 5 things that paramount has done to the park they appreciate.... Furthermore... To wooferbear and adam12... When you go to pki, if you go... do you just walk around in complete disgust or do you actually have a good time???? It seems like wooferbear especially just cant stand the taste of paramount.... I like it though.... tastes like chicken :-D If these attendance numbers are so great, lets see them! Everyone talks the talk but never walks the walk... I have heard the numbers are down in the last couple of years. They changed the kind of park Kings Island once was. Kings Island started out as an amusement park not a theme park. The park had all kinds of entertainment and AMUSEMENTS, such as, awesome shows, and other entertainment like a clown band. Disney World still does things like that, I feel so much more entertained at Disney. Don’t start in on the funding, it doesn’t cost that much to have more entertainment compared to installing a 10 million dollar ride. Atmosphere (theme) is one thing, but being entertained (amused) is another. The last thing that burnt me that Paramount did other than putting the "Paramount" name on everything is they removed the show from the Festhaus. Now there are 3 or 4 large screens with low end projectors promoting Paramount’s latest films and shows. It really burns me when I pay money to hear advertisements! 5 things Paramount has done that I appreciate: 1.) Expanded the water park twice –That was very impressive. 2.) Son of Beast –This should be like the 3rd wonder of the world, I can’t believe they cared enough to carry on the tradition! 3.) Completely reconstructed the royal fountain. –I was impressed with this one! 4.) Brought back Winterfest –After they killed it 10 years ago. 5.) Installed Metal Detctors I have had a season pass to Kings Island for the last 5 or 6 years. Before that I had a pass in 1990, 91, 92, and 93. The difference between 1990 and now both good and bad seem to be VERY extreme. For instance, they Built Son of Beast, but yet they don’t take care of the other rides like AE, few of the special effects work, they have removed all the shows but 2, and the cleanliness and up keep of the park isn’t anywhere near what it once was. -adam12 AMEN. I can't wait until the Paramount Brand has been stripped from the park. Literally. ( I am not going to make the drive from Florida to Mason Ohio at least until the new owners are named ) I have been waiting for this for years. It has been rumored for years. Just like WinterFest was rumored for years. And why do you suppose Paramount suddenly decided to bring back WinterFest. I assure you its not their idea. For those of you who were not in the area years ago. And they fixed up the ROYAL FOUNTAIN. And they added Nick Universe. While at the same time, they are attempting to keep with the parks history and introduce a H.B. themed ride in the Action Theatre. ( very surprising to say the least ) Although something doesn't seem quite right. So many people are exclaiming that they are doing this for fanbase. Come on. They are doing these things only to increase the value of the park before the sale. Fix it up with so amount of money, (probably minimum) but enough to increase the value. And then turn around and sell it. And once it's gone, do you really think that they care about if you like what they have done with the place or not? Really? Cause, I don't think so!!!!! Things Paramount has done that I like: 1.) They added FearFest. A concept introduced by Q-102 2.) They raised Son of Beast. Which I will admit was a grand surprise. Especially without some paramount commercial slapped onto the front car. 3.) Flight of Fear. Let's face it. This is a great ride. And in a side note here. All any new owner would have to do to change the name and the look of copyrighted material is exactly what paramount did here when they lost the rights to The Outer Limits. 4.) Face Off. Again. This is a great ride. And it does make the park look very presentable with it's location right beside the front gate. 5.) They Brought WinterFest back to the Cincinnati area. Granted they stripped it from the area as their first act of ownership in 1992. Not effective of course until 93. There, to please some of you. I made a list of some things that I enjoy about Paramount parks. But notice that I have not made a list of things about this same company that I dislike. Very simply, this list would be far too long to name. Hopefully, when Paramount is gone, the park will once again become an AMUSEMENT PARK. And good riddence to the Theme Park that they built. I will not be playing taps when their name is finally gone. Instead, I will probably be on a plane to revisit the park for the first time this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam12 Posted April 24, 2006 Author Share Posted April 24, 2006 PREACH IT marlfox_21! Can I hear an Alleluiah?!?!?!?! Kings Island has Died, Kings Island has Risen, Kings Island shall come again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erosarrow05 Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 This is pathetic.... Its an amusement park Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam12 Posted April 24, 2006 Author Share Posted April 24, 2006 Someone hasn't ever been to an amusement park... I wonder who it could be... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIVortex Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 Who's to say the things that Paramount has done for the park, good and bad, wouldn't have happened either way. Yes we lost some classic rides, but why is that Paramount's problem? I for one was a little upset back in 1992 when I heard about the sell of the park to Paramount. And i'm kinda sad again to hear the park is up for sale again. But who's to say that the new owners will be any better then Paramount? Did you ever think the new owners could be even worse then Paramount? I for one do not think that the Paramount days have been the worse ever time at Kings Island. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharkGuy Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 They wouldn't have to change anything in the ride chamber, in all honestly I think they would just have to change the movie in pre-show. Think about it, PKI bought all the props and half the people don't even know they are from the movie. I for one love that touch that PKI or rather paramount added to that ride PKI needs more heavily themed rides like TR:TR and I for one am glad the paramount themes are gonna stay in the park after the park is under new control. Complain all you want PKI has really proved to me that they can theme well enough to stay a Family theme park just look at Nick Universe. Cry all you want but I'm happy to have Movie-themed park near me because some us of cant always drive to florida and I am happy to have PARAMOUNTS Kings Island in my neck of the woods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 At this point, no one knows if the Paramount themes will stay or go after any change of ownership. Like everything else in a sale, that's negotiable between the parties. What the buyer will want, what the seller wants for it, etc. It's far too early to say the Paramount theming will stay. Or go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIVortex Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 ^ I agree. Paramount has improved the park. They have added quite a few rollercoasters too. 1993- Top Gun 1996 - Fight of Fear 1998- RIP Scooby's Ghoster Coaster 1999 - Face/Off 2000 - Son of Beast 2001 - Reptar 2005 - IJST Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharkGuy Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 At this point, no one knows if the Paramount themes will stay or go after any change of ownership. Like everything else in a sale, that's negotiable between the parties. What the buyer will want, what the seller wants for it, etc. It's far too early to say the Paramount theming will stay. Or go. Really because I just read that the themes will stay while the new owners pay paramount $$$ for using the themes-but I agree who knows I like Pki because of the themes now if only we could see an addams family themed ride or a sky capt ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam12 Posted April 24, 2006 Author Share Posted April 24, 2006 It's far too early to say the Paramount theming will stay. Or go. I hope they remove 110% of it, and for the Paramount Story, they need to burn that area and call in the HAZMAT crew. Once it is cleaned up, open a memorial about how a corporation wiped its A$$ with an amusment park. It will take the new owners hours upon hours to clean up that crap (theming and the Paramount name)! Toilet paper anyone? Don't Squeeze the Charmin! -adam12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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