I think this shuttle loop has the coolest supports

Those are pretty cool looking.

that park totally neglected that ride at least while i worked there...thie year they didnt even put up the skylift

I always thought the skylift was dangerous. Way too easy to lift the bar and just do something stupid. I've heard of it happening before.

I found a old video from the 1979 show Anerica Screams. It shows the Screamin' Demon in action along with the worlds frist Arrow Suspended coaster at the Arrow site. I guess The Bat was the frist arrow Suspended coaster to open in a park.

What park was the pic from? Those supports were not used on all Arrow Shuttle coasters were they?

What park was the pic from? Those supports were not used on all Arrow Shuttle coasters were they?

That's Irn-Bru Revolution from Blackpool Pleasure Beach in England. And no, those supports were not used on all Arrow Shuttle Loops. In fact, I think that may well be the ONLY one with them.

I believe The Bat was the first full circut suspended coaster, I have the video you're talking about, and I dont believe the one shown was full circut but I could be wrong.

I have that old video on vhs, its produced by like rhino videos. It talks a lot about beach side parks. It does show the screamin demon on it as well as the King Cobra at PKD. In addition it shows an onride view of a full size ridable prototype of a suspended roller coaster. Its like a parking lot prototype similar to Thrust Air 2000 or the intamin rocket prototype.

Actually, this would be the first suspended coaster.

It didn't last but for ten days. Notice how different the track was. This pre-dates The Bat. Apparently, Stengel was involved and then pulled out because he knew the forces would be too strong and warned the company Messerschmitt who then ignored his warnings.

Actually, this would be the first suspended coaster.

It didn't last but for ten days. Notice how different the track was. This pre-dates The Bat. Apparently, Stengel was involved and then pulled out because he knew the forces would be too strong and warned the company Messerschmitt who then ignored his warnings.

Very primitive looking....

From the website, note one reason its run was so short:

***The grand-opening of this "Flying Coaster" was planned for the Oktoberfest in Munich, 1974. The principle of the rollercoaster with hanging cars and their wheel/axle assemblies was introduced by german engineer Paul Morsbach of Berg (near Starnberg, Germany). Unlucky things pushed the world-premier one year back. At the Oktoberfest in 1975, the "Alpenflug" was finally introduced. It operated during the carnival, which lasts two weeks, nearly without problems. In fact of overstepping substantial weights, the manufacturer took the unit back and scrapped it. Althoug "Alpenflug" has given only a short demonstration, it was an imposant construction and a bit ahead that time. ***

Is anyone here able to compare Screamin Demon say to a shuttle loop like Grezzed Lighting?

Is anyone here able to compare Screamin Demon say to a shuttle loop like Grezzed Lighting?

Well the to coasters are different. On Screamin Demon you started at the top of the hill, went into the loop and back on to another hill. On Grezzed Lighting you at the start their is no hill and you went into loop, up a lift hill.

I ment the frist Arrow first suspended coaster was in the video.

And the Schwarzkoph launched loop coasters had one of two different systems. Ones like the one at Kentucky Kingdom use a weight (which drops in the metal shaft)...others used a flywheel. The flywheel launch was MUCH more intense.

It sucks that Screamin' Demon / Thunderbolt Express had to end up in the scrapyard. That was the first looping coaster I rode, simply because I'd never ridden one before and was headed to KI with my youth group and wasn't about to be left behind while everyone else rode the cool stuff.

Anyway, I worked at Camden Park for a couple of months back in either 2001 or 2002 (can't remember which). I had a short discussion with one of the owner/maintenance guys about the Thunderbolt. In short, he said the electronics were shot beyond repair and replacement parts couldn't be found or made. I suggested rigging it (kidding, of course) and he said it had been rigged so much the rigging was rigged. So, that's pretty much why the coaster probably ended up as scrap.

RIP, Thunderbolt.

Nice rigged rigging. Sounds real safe, not to mention the metal rot.

I know the last time I rode Screamin Demon it didnt look real safe, more rust than paint.

Is anyone here able to compare Screamin Demon say to a shuttle loop like Grezzed Lighting?

I never rode grezzed lightning, but when demon came out, it was the s***.

also, in regards to what a silence button means...

Silence means Alarm silence, there can be minor problems and major problems, minor problems can be silenced witht the button, and major problems will continue with a buzzer...

867 is an operation number, all rides at CP start with 3. magnum is 335.

and also...

the Gates are not a required portion to the ride... it was only recently that Magnum and Raptor recieved Gates... gates are lame. thats why raptor runs so slow... I hate gates.

Actually, this would be the first suspended coaster.

It didn't last but for ten days. Notice how different the track was. This pre-dates The Bat. Apparently, Stengel was involved and then pulled out because he knew the forces would be too strong and warned the company Messerschmitt who then ignored his warnings.

Or was this the first suspended coaster?

http://www.rcdb.com/ig2427.htm?picture=1

I'll tell you though, I had a scary experience on demon the last time I rode it. Since I was still fairly small, I got on it with my dad-my sister and mom were in the seats behind us. The shoulder bar came down, and to me it didn't feel like it locked. I tried to get the operators attention, but we started off. I hooked my feet under the seat in front of me, and held on the seat as hard as i could. To this day whenever I get on Vortex or anything like that, I test the shoulder bar clear to the top of the hill.

....the Gates are not a required portion to the ride... it was only recently that Magnum and Raptor recieved Gates... gates are lame. thats why raptor runs so slow... I hate gates.....

Really? So why did Cedar Point install them after all those years of insisting they were not necessary, the Interpreter asked knowingly....

It sucks that Screamin' Demon / Thunderbolt Express had to end up in the scrapyard. That was the first looping coaster I rode, simply because I'd never ridden one before and was headed to KI with my youth group and wasn't about to be left behind while everyone else rode the cool stuff.

Anyway, I worked at Camden Park for a couple of months back in either 2001 or 2002 (can't remember which). I had a short discussion with one of the owner/maintenance guys about the Thunderbolt. In short, he said the electronics were shot beyond repair and replacement parts couldn't be found or made. I suggested rigging it (kidding, of course) and he said it had been rigged so much the rigging was rigged. So, that's pretty much why the coaster probably ended up as scrap.

RIP, Thunderbolt.

Wow-didn't know that-what a shame

I'll tell you though, I had a scary experience on demon the last time I rode it. Since I was still fairly small, I got on it with my dad-my sister and mom were in the seats behind us. The shoulder bar came down, and to me it didn't feel like it locked. I tried to get the operators attention, but we started off. I hooked my feet under the seat in front of me, and held on the seat as hard as i could. To this day whenever I get on Vortex or anything like that, I test the shoulder bar clear to the top of the hill.

The ride would not have engaged if the shoulder bar were not in the locked position. The Demon is the first ride that I can remember the ops having to repeatedly check shoulder bars or else the ride not starting.

I'll tell you though, I had a scary experience on demon the last time I rode it. Since I was still fairly small, I got on it with my dad-my sister and mom were in the seats behind us. The shoulder bar came down, and to me it didn't feel like it locked. I tried to get the operators attention, but we started off. I hooked my feet under the seat in front of me, and held on the seat as hard as i could. To this day whenever I get on Vortex or anything like that, I test the shoulder bar clear to the top of the hill.

The ride would not have engaged if the shoulder bar were not in the locked position. The Demon is the first ride that I can remember the ops having to repeatedly check shoulder bars or else the ride not starting.

Maybe it was my size-I have put on weight since then