Browntggrr Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 A building is not an IDOL unless we are worshiping the building itself. Seriously, just look at it. How is that anything BUT an idol? It cetainly is not a normal building nor a normal place of worship. It looks more like something that you would find at a theme park. Hey, if that is what your community wanted, then great. More power to you. I have my own beliefs, as do you. But when something like that is erected, people are going to comment on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley_Davis Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 A building is not an IDOL unless we are worshiping the building itself. Seriously, just look at it. How is that anything BUT an idol? It cetainly is not a normal building nor a normal place of worship. It looks more like something that you would find at a theme park. Hey, if that is what your community wanted, then great. More power to you. I have my own beliefs, as do you. But when something like that is erected, people are going to comment on it. What exactly are you telling us to "look at"? The building has not been built yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outdoor Man Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 I agree that the enormous statue along I-75 is a bit much, but if it's idol worship you're talking about.... it is a statue of Christ. I know that is a bit of a stretch. I'll just add my 5 cents to this. This is a conversation / argument / debate that neither of you will win. both have strong opinions that aren't likely to be brought together in this setting. In part I almost think that some of the disgust on this site deal with the fact that the parcel of land off of 275 will never be "Surf Cincinnati" again and not the fact that a church owns it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 Ashley, Do you have a particular position within the church or are you just a member? Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley_Davis Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 Ashley, Do you have a particular position within the church or are you just a member? Ryan I'm apart of the music ministry. But as far as being a payed staff person, no I'm not. I'm a faithful member. Why do you ask? -just curious! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 Ashley, Do you have a particular position within the church or are you just a member? Ryan I'm apart of the music ministry. But as far as being a payed staff person, no I'm not. I'm a faithful member. Why do you ask? -just curious! I was just curious. I noticed how you registered on the forums right when this topic went up so I thought maybe you were a full time member of the clergy or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley_Davis Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 Ashley, Do you have a particular position within the church or are you just a member? Ryan I'm apart of the music ministry. But as far as being a payed staff person, no I'm not. I'm a faithful member. Why do you ask? -just curious! I was just curious. I noticed how you registered on the forums right when this topic went up so I thought maybe you were a full time member of the clergy or something. Actually, I didn't register until last week. But this article was posted in August. What are you talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 What exactly are you telling us to "look at"? The building has not been built yet. There has to be a place for the people to worship. How can we organize anything if they don't have a place to congregate? The sanctuary is one of the most important pieces. It's the head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 so... the church is only about money- and those who have it should give directly to the poor- offer no sense of outreach whatsoever. Create environments that only attract "dear-old-saints" and see the church slip into irrelevancy in a generation. I'm not saying that some of these edifices are completely ludicrous. What is the church for anyway? Who is the church? and what is it's mission? The church are the "believers", "the body of Christ". The church is not the building. Different churches have different visions and different missions. Our MISSION STATEMENT at Inspirational Baptist Church is to bring people to Christ and membership in the local church, to develop them to Christian maturity, and prepare them for their personal ministry in the body of Christ and global mission in the world so that the name of our lord will be magnified. I've been with this church for 2 years and it has grown from 300 members to 1500 members in just 5 years. Obviously, we are affecting the lives of people in a positive way. I can personally say that EVERY time I have needed my church family to help me, whether emotionally, spiritually or financially, they have come thru. I cannot speak on behalf of all churches, because all churches are not FOR REAL. It's up to us as individuals to determine what we will and will not believe. What we will and will not follow. My mission is to live the best life that I can live and be a positive examples to others. Especially our children, teenagers and young adults. A Church with a Mission Statement? My Gawd! It is a Business! I'm wondering if Buddy Jesus is for sale in the lobby? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Ashley, Do you have a particular position within the church or are you just a member? Ryan I'm apart of the music ministry. But as far as being a payed staff person, no I'm not. I'm a faithful member. Why do you ask? -just curious! I hear tell there were some faithful members in the People's Temple in Jonestown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley_Davis Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Ashley, Do you have a particular position within the church or are you just a member? Ryan I'm apart of the music ministry. But as far as being a payed staff person, no I'm not. I'm a faithful member. Why do you ask? -just curious! I hear tell there were some faithful members in the People's Temple in Jonestown. I'm lost! I don't understand what that has to do with me. He asked a simple question about whether I had a position within the church of if I was a member. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Ashley, Do you have a particular position within the church or are you just a member? Ryan I'm apart of the music ministry. But as far as being a payed staff person, no I'm not. I'm a faithful member. Why do you ask? -just curious! I hear tell there were some faithful members in the People's Temple in Jonestown. Quite an extreme and irrational comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Ashley, Do you have a particular position within the church or are you just a member? Ryan I'm apart of the music ministry. But as far as being a payed staff person, no I'm not. I'm a faithful member. Why do you ask? -just curious! I hear tell there were some faithful members in the People's Temple in Jonestown. Quite an extreme and irrational comparison. All I'm saying is that it frightens me any time anyone blindly follows any group, directive or idealisim. I myself have Faith but can not see saying I'm a Faithful Member. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley_Davis Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Ashley, Do you have a particular position within the church or are you just a member? Ryan I'm apart of the music ministry. But as far as being a payed staff person, no I'm not. I'm a faithful member. Why do you ask? -just curious! I hear tell there were some faithful members in the People's Temple in Jonestown. Quite an extreme and irrational comparison. All I'm saying is that it frightens me any time anyone blindly follows any group, directive or idealisim. I myself have Faith but can not see saying I'm a Faithful Member. Perhaps you don't understand what I mean by "faithful member"? All I'm saying is that I am consistantly active in my church. As a member I have a certain responsibility and duty to others. Just like being a member of an organization. There are certain things that are expected of you. I don't simply say that I "go" to Inspirational Baptist Church. Many people "attend" church but some are not actively involved. So many people go to church just to say they went, but I go to hear the word of God. (It's my school)This is my time to learn more from someone who studied the Bible. If you are in college, you go to class to learn about a certain subject matter. You have an advisor or professor who teaches you things from the text book. When I listen to my teacher (pastor), he always teaches from the text book (the Bible) and he says something that makes me think for myself. Just like in school. You don't just except what your professor tells you. You have to study the subject and learn it for yourself. Because at the end of the day, your professor is not going to be there to tell you every step to take. I don't just except what my pastor says because he's the pastor of my church. The bible says, in 2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to show thyself approved unto God". You have to have a personal understanding of the Word of God. Honestly, I don't know everything there is to know about God. But I want to learn as much as possible. So, I'm faithful in my committment to be involved with my church and learn more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outdoor Man Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 sigh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 sigh. I think this is why we avoid such topics on the board. <G> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JjAmSaOnN Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 And why does the church have to recruit people? That is no different than the Mormons, Jehovah's, Muslims, all trying to compete to bring people in their belief. Why should Christianity think they are any better? Let people believe what they want. If someone is interested in the church or belief they will come and inquire. I think it misses the point when a church tries to entice people into their beliefs. Using excuses like they need god and direction in their life. Bottom line of any religion and aside from not even being religious but moral is just simply being a good person. In that context why should a church be in business, its an irony. Why is it necessary to increase membership and conform people in their belief? It's sick. It's making an excuse to conform others to their belief. If you are a good moral person, then do just that. Help others that are in need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outdoor Man Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 JjAmS... or whatever the name is.... are you actually being "recruited" or is that your perception? WooferBear.... I think we're on the same page here. The unfortunate thing of all of this is pocket experts are talking out of the area of expertise. I'll preface by saying that I am a Christian... but understand that not all see objects through the same glass I do. At the same time, I tend to agree with both sides of this issue. But for me to try to comment on how the other side should react would be like me trying to fix someone's car for them... I have NO expertise and therefore cannot contribute to the conversation. conversely there are a few comments on this particular thread from some saying what the church "should" be... and I would assume that those individuals have never stepped into that particular church or "a" church for that matter... and therefore don't necessarily have an idea of what a church "should be." agreed. this is a topic that really has no place on this board.... other than the information of "a church buys former "surf cincinnati" site. Guaranteed, this subject would not have lasted this long if, say the United Way bought it... or the Marvin Lewis foundation bought it... though if it was bought for vacationing Bengals, I would have issue with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley_Davis Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 And why does the church have to recruit people? That is no different than the Mormons, Jehovah's, Muslims, all trying to compete to bring people in their belief. Why should Christianity think they are any better? Let people believe what they want. If someone is interested in the church or belief they will come and inquire. I think it misses the point when a church tries to entice people into their beliefs. Using excuses like they need god and direction in their life. Bottom line of any religion and aside from not even being religious but moral is just simply being a good person. In that context why should a church be in business, its an irony. Why is it necessary to increase membership and conform people in their belief? It's sick. It's making an excuse to conform others to their belief. If you are a good moral person, then do just that. Help others that are in need. I have not tried to entice anyone. I've only answered questions and responded to comments. If that's what you call enticing, I apologize for making you feel uncomfortable. All I've stated are my belief and how I feel. I didn't say you had to agree with me. Yes, we should help others. But we cannot help everyone individually. Sometimes it takes multitudes of people collectively. For example, the Hurricane Katrina victums, 9/11 victims, etc. I know personally that I cannot help ALL, not even most of them by myself. If everyone was nice and moral then, it would be a different story. But, unfortunately, everyone is not. Which is why it's important to provide guidance for the immoral. If we had no religion, (not just Christianity) then how would you suggest we reach this great majority of lost people? It's important for us to work together and make our world a better place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley_Davis Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 JjAmS... or whatever the name is.... are you actually being "recruited" or is that your perception? WooferBear.... I think we're on the same page here. The unfortunate thing of all of this is pocket experts are talking out of the area of expertise. I'll preface by saying that I am a Christian... but understand that not all see objects through the same glass I do. At the same time, I tend to agree with both sides of this issue. But for me to try to comment on how the other side should react would be like me trying to fix someone's car for them... I have NO expertise and therefore cannot contribute to the conversation. conversely there are a few comments on this particular thread from some saying what the church "should" be... and I would assume that those individuals have never stepped into that particular church or "a" church for that matter... and therefore don't necessarily have an idea of what a church "should be." agreed. this is a topic that really has no place on this board.... other than the information of "a church buys former "surf cincinnati" site. Guaranteed, this subject would not have lasted this long if, say the United Way bought it... or the Marvin Lewis foundation bought it... though if it was bought for vacationing Bengals, I would have issue with that. I can agree with your statement. Especially about the Bengals vacationing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jzarley Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Somewhat unrelated, but still on topic...the Bally's fitness club I used to work out at got purchased and converted into a church. I've been really tempted to go there sometime to figure out how they handled that architecturally...I just can't imagine that conversion. (Although, I've heard they kept the indoor pool, whirlpool, and sauna...) While this church's plans have been taken to a much different level, having a waterpark as part of the church complex is really no different than a lot of other social activities that churches plan to attract and entertain their congegrations. When I was a teenager (many, many years ago <g>), my church youth group used to have video game (Atari 2600 & Intellivision!) and Trivial Pursuit tournaments...maybe not real biblical, but at least we were all accounted for and were involved in a relatively innocent activity. Not that I'm a big zealot for organized religion, but I do think personal spirituality is very important. (And, BTW, personal means that I can decide for myself...I don't need anyone else to "enlighten" me...I stay out of your beliefs; you stay out of mine...) As I get older I guess I gravitate more to the Budhist philosophies...of course, I really like my possessions, so I'm somewhat "liberal" in how I interpret them In short, I think it's always better to believe in something, than it is to believe in nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outdoor Man Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 wow jzarley... "Intellivision"- you just placed a date on yourself.... they had the first real football game... before TECMO-BOWL!!! Would that happen to be the former Bally's in Montgomery? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jzarley Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 ^ Actually it was in Upper Arlington (Columbus suburb) Yeah, mentioning Intellivision certainly does date yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JjAmSaOnN Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 It was merely a perception and my own educated belief. It was not directed at anyone specifically on this board. Geeeez sometimes some of you take things way to personally on here. It is an open forumn, no one has to agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outdoor Man Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 no JjAm.... no one's throwing darts here. Computer screens don't have the ability to show sarcasm. i was just commenting to the "recruiting" comment, which I'm not sure churches do across the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Wouldn't this whole deal be on the same page as any youth group? As in, parents can send their children there knowing that they will have positive influences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Somewhat unrelated, but still on topic...the Bally's fitness club I used to work out at got purchased and converted into a church. I've been really tempted to go there sometime to figure out how they handled that architecturally...I just can't imagine that conversion. (Although, I've heard they kept the indoor pool, whirlpool, and sauna...) While this church's plans have been taken to a much different level, having a waterpark as part of the church complex is really no different than a lot of other social activities that churches plan to attract and entertain their congegrations. When I was a teenager (many, many years ago <g>), my church youth group used to have video game (Atari 2600 & Intellivision!) and Trivial Pursuit tournaments...maybe not real biblical, but at least we were all accounted for and were involved in a relatively innocent activity. Not that I'm a big zealot for organized religion, but I do think personal spirituality is very important. (And, BTW, personal means that I can decide for myself...I don't need anyone else to "enlighten" me...I stay out of your beliefs; you stay out of mine...) As I get older I guess I gravitate more to the Budhist philosophies...of course, I really like my possessions, so I'm somewhat "liberal" in how I interpret them In short, I think it's always better to believe in something, than it is to believe in nothing. That's really funny that you say that. As I grow older I seem to connect and understand the Budhist principals better as well. And, I'm curious as to which Bally's was converted. I used to lift at the Bally's in Blue Ash and Montgomery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 ^ Actually it was in Upper Arlington (Columbus suburb) Yeah, mentioning Intellivision certainly does date yourself WooferBear just stands in the corner whistling and looking at the ceiling. <G> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Intellivision? Heavens, when we were children, we played with an abacus. That and that new fangled thing called an Etch-A-Sketch. Made in USA it was. In Bryan, Ohio, no less. Also home of the Hula Hoop and the Super Ball (also a brand new invention at the time). Whammo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outdoor Man Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 actually wooferbear, I was wrong- it wasn't the bally's in Montgomery that closed, it was an old Scandanavian Health Spa location on Montgomery Road in Montgomery. If you're talking about the Bally's at the end of Kenwood Road, it's still there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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