Predictions For 2005/2006

[thejoker8388]

Action Zone in no way needs a new coaster, that is the last area that needs a new coaster, I mean Action Zone is way too crowded as is, another coaster would be rediculous. I think rivertown or coney need a new ride.

[rollercoaster2k]

I would love to see a newer ride thats new in the roller coaster industry.

[Delirium13]

I thin they should build a B & M Flying Coaster Themed to Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow.

[holeinone888221]

Action Zone in no way needs a new coaster, that is the last area that needs a new coaster, I mean Action Zone is way too crowded as is, another coaster would be rediculous. I think rivertown or coney need a new ride.

Not if they replace Top Gun with something possibly.

[moore]

^Yea they could take out Top Gun and build the inverted version somewhere else (don't ask where...haven't thought about that yet) and then put an launched ride like TTD or something there. Then that could draw crowds to the far end of Action Zone (possibly making SOB waites longer) and keeping the area by IT:ST less busy. That would allow shorter waits for FoF....maybe....(that would be REALLY great)

[jlopez]

I also think they will have another movie in the fx theater, and maybe a spongebob themes ride besides the one in the FX theater.

jennifer

[Player]

We all know that we won't get a new coaster till 07. Paramount will learn the hard way and the IJST will flop, it just won't be thrilling enough. If they get smart they will build a hyper or maybe a giga with lenght, we got plenty of room, that is what is going to draw crowds, look at the point, the force is 5 years old and even on a slow day it is like a hour wait. A rocket has no staying power, when ttd is 5 years old the line will be 15-20 minutes tops. PKI needs to build a people mover, there are to many rides at pki with a capacity below a thousand people per hour. Face/off, Flight of Fear, IJST, runnaway reptar, drop zone.

[Delirium_Guy]

Yeah, True, True. But The Wild Thorberrys Log Flume is cool and all. But I liked it Better before. So WWC and CF is the only Adult water rides. I just think it would be neat if they put a really major water ride in. Something out of the ordinary.

Jennifer

Liked it better before? All they did was replace the trough for Thornberries, its the exact same layout as Kings Mill. But I did like the Rivertown theming better than the Nick stuff. I would LOVE to see a water coaster, simliar to Journey to Atlantis @ Sea World or Ripsaw Falls @ IOA. THAT would definitely be something new and unique to this area!

- Todd

[RingMaster]

player, if u dont like the way pki runs things, why dont u just move to the point then?

Adventure Express is somewhat slower than ST, but it's still a popular ride among guests and packs a lot of people. Stunt Track is already supposed to have 1000 pph capacity, and since its only 3000 feet long, it'll get people moving real quick.

also, to answer your drawing crowds in statement, we brought in a good 3 million peeps last year.

<-- I wish.

P.S.: Ripsaw Falls rocks! Bring it to PKI!

[Player]

IJST on steroids will never average 1000 pph. One Loading, one unloading, and one on track. If there is three launches then there would be 6 blocks so they could run 5-6 trains. But they only have three trains. Each train seats 12 people. I see a train launching from the station every 3 minutes or so. So you take 3 minutes divided by an hour which will be 20 launches per hour multiplied by 12 people which will equal 240 PPH. Hell give them a lauch every minute that would be 60 multiplied by 12 equals 720 peeps per hour that would be the best it could ever do!

Dragster is lucky to launch every minute so that equals 18 peeps per train multiplied by 60 launches equals 1080 PPH.

PKI the land of low capacity, that is why the waterpark is free with admission to lure guests away from the rides. Sad but its true.

[RingMaster]

i dont see how ST could launch every three minutes. the ride's only like two minutes in length. here's how i see it:

one train is already at the helicopter scene, stopped. The other two trains are at the loading/unloading platforms. it takes a minute/minute and a half to load people onto the train, and like 30 seconds to unload people off the cars. Once the helicopter scene is finished, which will probably only take around 15-20 seconds, it rockets into the aquaducts, triggering the go signal for the first train to go. it launches out of the station, the second car comes in 3-5 seconds after the launch, and by the time the second car arrives, the third car has already blasted through the IJ sign and into the unloading station.

thats just my idea of how the ride'll work. doubt it will actually go that fast.

[Player]

i dont see how ST could launch every three minutes. the ride's only like two minutes in length. here's how i see it:

one train is already at the helicopter scene, stopped. The other two trains are at the loading/unloading platforms. it takes a minute/minute and a half to load people onto the train, and like 30 seconds to unload people off the cars. Once the helicopter scene is finished, which will probably only take around 15-20 seconds, it rockets into the aquaducts, triggering the go signal for the first train to go. it launches out of the station, the second car comes in 3-5 seconds after the launch, and by the time the second car arrives, the third car has already blasted through the IJ sign and into the unloading station.

thats just my idea of how the ride'll work. doubt it will actually go that fast.

like I said if it is ran flawlesy than there will be a launch train hitting the course every minute. 60 launches multiplied by 12 people equals 720 riders per hour. If the course was longer and have 5-6 trains on course it could get to about a 1100 or so.

Theoretically there is no way on earth it will do 850-1000 pph.

[moore]

"Paramount will learn the hard way and the IJST will flop"

What makes you think it will flop. It's only draw back will be the low capicity.

"ttd is 5 years old the line will be 15-20 minutes tops"

wtf? There are A LOT of people out there that like TTD over MF so why do you think the lines will drop? If you're saying a launched ride can't hold lines, look at FoF. I know FoF has inversions and it's really not the same type of coaster, but it is launched. You're not about to tell me people will like FoF over TTD. TTD will NVR drop its wait times that low.

[elitescr3]

PKI needs to build a people mover, there are to many rides at pki with a capacity below a thousand people per hour. Face/off, Flight of Fear, IJST, runnaway reptar, drop zone.

according to rcdb.com, Flight of Fear has a capacity of 2000 people per hour

that is TON of people

[thejoker8388]

^It dosen't though not even close FOF dosen't even hit 1,000. But still if you want to look at it Vortex, Top Gun, and Ae are monster people eaters and Beast, SOB, Racer, and Beastie all pretty good people movers too. I mean to say PKI is the only park with low capacity rides is stupid even CP has Disaster Transport which always moves slow and has long lines even though it blows, Power Tower, Wicked Twister, Wildcat, all are slow I mean every park has low capacity rides. Even MF can have poor capacity depending on how long they take to dispactch trains, so its not just PKI its every park.

If you look at almost any six flags parks besides SFGA which is the exception they have horrible capacity. Usually running 1 maybe 2 train ops on all their rides. PKI looks like the greatest capacity ever compared to Six Flags, so really PKI isn't that bad at all in there capacity. You also have to look at the amounts of people PKI gets. Last year they got more attendence then any other seasonal park. This means that they will have longer lines then most parks simply because of the volume of people.

[Player]

^It dosen't though not even close FOF dosen't even hit 1,000. But still if you want to look at it Vortex, Top Gun, and Ae are monster people eaters and Beast, SOB, Racer, and Beastie all pretty good people movers too. I mean to say PKI is the only park with low capacity rides is stupid even CP has Disaster Transport which always moves slow and has long lines even though it blows, Power Tower, Wicked Twister, Wildcat, all are slow I mean every park has low capacity rides. Even MF can have poor capacity depending on how long they take to dispactch trains, so its not just PKI its every park.

If you look at almost any six flags parks besides SFGA which is the exception they have horrible capacity. Usually running 1 maybe 2 train ops on all their rides. PKI looks like the greatest capacity ever compared to Six Flags, so really PKI isn't that bad at all in there capacity. You also have to look at the amounts of people PKI gets. Last year they got more attendence then any other seasonal park. This means that they will have longer lines then most parks simply because of the volume of people.

Half the people are at the water park. I went to the point 4 times last year, each time the wait times for both ttd and milly were nearly identicle. Then later in the season even on a sat. the first bonus weekend, the line for ttd was barely 25 minutes compared to over an hour for milly. Parks run train operation depending on attendance. I was at pki several times where racer was just running the front, and beast and sob was both running one train. Flight of Fear takes 4-5 minutes between launches with the screwed up seat belt lap bar configuration. They should just run 1 train on that ride, it wouldn't hurt capacity that much more.

[thejoker8388]

Player, yes, parks do typically run amount of trains on attendence but if you've ever attended several Six Flags parks you'll know that they run 1 or 2 train ops on the most popular rides on the most crowded days. PKI does an amazing job compared to lots of parks at capacity.

And no, half the people aren't at the water park, believe me 15,000 people aren't at BB during any one time you wouldn't be able to move if there were that many people.

[Kenban]

First I agree I doubt I will see 1000 pph on IJST. But I can tell you don't understand the ride of you think it could handle 5-6 trains. One of the LIM's is only to speed up the ride and is not a true launch. Unless there is a problem I never see anything running 3 minutes between trains there is no way its going to run that slow on a bad day maybe 2 minutes a train but nothing is going to run 3 minutes. A train with only 12 riders is going to load faster then a standard train already. I really think its going to end up around a 1:15 to 1:30 a train.

You said in an earlier post that IJST will flop well if its that bad does it need high capacity??? You keep comparing the park to Cedar Point and basicly saying how PKI needs to build the kind of rides CP does yet PKI has the higher attendance figures . Fact is you make it sound like TTD drew in huge crowds. Sure it had a long line but did attendence at the park go up that much??? Well it went up 3% in 2003 then went down 4% last year I don't consider that a huge draw. Actually Cedar Points attendance overall has been flat for a while now. They broke 3 million guests back in 1976 yet only had 3.2 million guests last year. Yes I know the CP figures don't count Soak City but that is a seperate park. Oh PKI had 3.5 million guests last year. The whole reason you see these kinds of rides and not the 300 or 400 foot tall coasters is simple they are going after differant markets. Cedar Point is after the high end coaster market while PKI is after the familys.

Guys don't get me wrong I love Cedar Point and plan on making at least one trip up there this year. I would actually go more often if it was only an hour away like PKI is from me. I just had a problem with the stupid comments this guy was making.

But then this is all I think the point is the guess what PKI is getting next year which I think is going to be a flat and a Nick expansion which I enjoy good flats although I would love to see that Adams family coaster put in.

[Captain Nemo]

First I agree I doubt I will see 1000 pph on IJST. But I can tell you don't understand the ride of you think it could handle 5-6 trains. One of the LIM's is only to speed up the ride and is not a true launch. Unless there is a problem I never see anything running 3 minutes between trains there is no way its going to run that slow on a bad day maybe 2 minutes a train but nothing is going to run 3 minutes. A train with only 12 riders is going to load faster then a standard train already. I really think its going to end up around a 1:15 to 1:30 a train.

You said in an earlier post that IJST will flop well if its that bad does it need high capacity??? You keep comparing the park to Cedar Point and basicly saying how PKI needs to build the kind of rides CP does yet PKI has the higher attendance figures . Fact is you make it sound like TTD drew in huge crowds. Sure it had a long line but did attendence at the park go up that much??? Well it went up 3% in 2003 then went down 4% last year I don't consider that a huge draw. Actually Cedar Points attendance overall has been flat for a while now. They broke 3 million guests back in 1976 yet only had 3.2 million guests last year. Yes I know the CP figures don't count Soak City but that is a seperate park. Oh PKI had 3.5 million guests last year. The whole reason you see these kinds of rides and not the 300 or 400 foot tall coasters is simple they are going after differant markets. Cedar Point is after the high end coaster market while PKI is after the familys.

Guys don't get me wrong I love Cedar Point and plan on making at least one trip up there this year. I would actually go more often if it was only an hour away like PKI is from me. I just had a problem with the stupid comments this guy was making.

But then this is all I think the point is the guess what PKI is getting next year which I think is going to be a flat and a Nick expansion which I enjoy good flats although I would love to see that Adams family coaster put in.

Coming 2006 to PKI, A B&M 4 across seat coaster to increase the riders per hour.

[KIBeast]

^Let's hope so.

[Player]

First I agree I doubt I will see 1000 pph on IJST. But I can tell you don't understand the ride of you think it could handle 5-6 trains. One of the LIM's is only to speed up the ride and is not a true launch. Unless there is a problem I never see anything running 3 minutes between trains there is no way its going to run that slow on a bad day maybe 2 minutes a train but nothing is going to run 3 minutes. A train with only 12 riders is going to load faster then a standard train already. I really think its going to end up around a 1:15 to 1:30 a train.

You said in an earlier post that IJST will flop well if its that bad does it need high capacity??? You keep comparing the park to Cedar Point and basicly saying how PKI needs to build the kind of rides CP does yet PKI has the higher attendance figures . Fact is you make it sound like TTD drew in huge crowds. Sure it had a long line but did attendence at the park go up that much??? Well it went up 3% in 2003 then went down 4% last year I don't consider that a huge draw. Actually Cedar Points attendance overall has been flat for a while now. They broke 3 million guests back in 1976 yet only had 3.2 million guests last year. Yes I know the CP figures don't count Soak City but that is a seperate park. Oh PKI had 3.5 million guests last year. The whole reason you see these kinds of rides and not the 300 or 400 foot tall coasters is simple they are going after differant markets. Cedar Point is after the high end coaster market while PKI is after the familys.

Guys don't get me wrong I love Cedar Point and plan on making at least one trip up there this year. I would actually go more often if it was only an hour away like PKI is from me. I just had a problem with the stupid comments this guy was making.

But then this is all I think the point is the guess what PKI is getting next year which I think is going to be a flat and a Nick expansion which I enjoy good flats although I would love to see that Adams family coaster put in.

There are several more thousand people that just goes to boomerang bay and not the ride park a day during the summer. If you just took theme park attendance CP's would be higher.

[thejoker8388]

^Yes, but BB's admission is free with the purchase of a normal ticket just like how Action Zones admission is free. Really if you think about it BB is just another "zone" or "land" of PKI, BB is a part of PKI, Soak City isn't a part of CP. So really BB is a part of the theme park because its included with normal admission, its just multiple attractions that get you wet, kind of like a WWC.

[fryler87]

OHHHHH BURN!!! SOMEONE GRAB THE GOLDBOND!!!

To be serious, nobody who is talking has any idea what the park is planning. The park probably has a vague master guide (area expansions, referberation goals, etc) for the next 15 years, but only are the detailed plans for the next four or five in place. So what we need to do is comandeer the park for a day, raid administrative offices and SWIPE all the information we can.

THIS WILL TAKE US TO SUCCESS!!!

I don't see Winterfest coming back for a while. I see a real big flat for 2006/2007. I see a full-size (100+ ft. tall 3000+ ft. long) coaster for 2007. Next big thrill coaster may not come until 2007/2008 (this may or may not include the above full-size coaster).

Only a few people know what's in store - probably Craig Ross, Don Miller and God.

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holy ****! 500th post!

[Player]

^Yes, but BB's admission is free with the purchase of a normal ticket just like how Action Zones admission is free. Really if you think about it BB is just another "zone" or "land" of PKI, BB is a part of PKI, Soak City isn't a part of CP. So really BB is a part of the theme park because its included with normal admission, its just multiple attractions that get you wet, kind of like a WWC.

Whats your point? It is whatever your preference is, if you want coasters more people go to the point, if they want a family outing they go to pki.

[RailRider]

Ive said it before and I will say it again.

Beast---->Son of Beast----->Beast Slayer

It makes sense that the next major coaster that doesnt have the family tag on it will go along with The Beast Theme.

Except it wont be wood, but steel. Intamin or B&M... Ive heard people also talk about the Son and the Slayer intertwined. As if they were fighting or dueling.

Call me crazy all you want, but it makes sense .

[KIBeast]

Player, I think the point about BB is, if you are comparing attendance figures, then Soak City should be included because you are counting the people that go into BB in PKI's attendance and some may not even go to the rides section.

[Player]

Player, I think the point about BB is, if you are comparing attendance figures, then Soak City should be included because you are counting the people that go into BB in PKI's attendance and some may not even go to the rides section.

But Soak City is added admission. if boomerang bay was extra then you took attendance from both parks CP would be higher.

[Kenban]

Its two separate parks and thats why Soak City does not count. Go and take a look at the Disney World parks should you count them all as one park and combine the attendance figures? What about Disney Land and California Adventure the parks are only a few hounded feet away from each other. The Disneyland / California Adventure is a great example. If they remove the need for separate tickets or park hopper passes so you could just walk between the parks on a single standard ticket I would agree that the attendence figures should be combined and thats the same thing with Soak City. You either need a special ticket with admission to both or you need a separate ticket to go to both until that restriction is removed they should be and are counted separately. Shoot the normal season pass only works for CP its $55 extra for the season pass to work at both parks.

Maybe its just me but if I want to go to a water park and not ride roller coasters I head over to the beach.

Oh and I doubt 300,000 people go to BB and don't visit the rest of the park. But who knows its possible.

[Player]

Its two separate parks and thats why Soak City does not count. Go and take a look at the Disney World parks should you count them all as one park and combine the attendance figures? What about Disney Land and California Adventure the parks are only a few hounded feet away from each other. The Disneyland / California Adventure is a great example. If they remove the need for separate tickets or park hopper passes so you could just walk between the parks on a single standard ticket I would agree that the attendence figures should be combined and thats the same thing with Soak City. You either need a special ticket with admission to both or you need a separate ticket to go to both until that restriction is removed they should be and are counted separately. Shoot the normal season pass only works for CP its $55 extra for the season pass to work at both parks.

Maybe its just me but if I want to go to a water park and not ride roller coasters I head over to the beach.

Oh and I doubt 300,000 people go to BB and don't visit the rest of the park. But who knows its possible.

After a course of a year it adds up.

[KIBeast]

Sorry, I meant to say that I thought that was their point, not mine.