PKILifeGuard Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 Told you... suckers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Bowser Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 Um kiss all the HB characters good bye if this is true???...well kinda late for that since most of them are gone now.Also if this is to-be-true I think it would be kinda cool they could be going over plans for a new lodge or it could be anything it would be like Burger King buying out Mc D's or Coke buying out Pepsi which doesnt bother me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIBeast Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 Actually Klockster, it will be called GyroSwing1. :jerry: I agree that if Kinzel was even there, it was to discuss Delirium and any issues that they have had with it if any. BTW, have there been any mechanical issues with Delirium? I don't even remember hearing of any during the opening year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jzarley Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 This thread is kind of like a car accident...I just can't stop myself from looking (or posting). A few points then I'm finished... 1) What was the jump in logic that went from a license plate on a car in the parking lot (to which someone reported seeing before) to "that's D. Kinzel plotting the takeover of PKI"? That's quite a leap... 2) Why would anyone know Kinzel on sight (through an office window, no less)? He's not exactly a celebrity... I doubt if I could pick him out of a crowd, and I've seen his picture in the annual report more times than I can count. 3) When acquiring a company, the CEO of the purchasing company does not go (alone) to personally do due dilligence. 4) Everyone (Chef, et. al.) who posted that Craig Ross would have virtually no say in such a deal is exactly right...not only would those decisions/negotiations not be made in Cincinnati, it's unlikely they'd even be made in Charlotte. It would be more like Viacom corporate in NYC. 5) If Viacom wanted out of the park business, they'd get OUT of the park business. (Which, wouldn't surprise me at some point in the future...) They wouldn't sell one park (especially the top attendance/flagship), they'd sell them all. 6) Re: #4...it's unlikely that any corporation owning parks would elect to sell them right now. The market is currently too soft, and they couldn't recognize a good ROI. (That's exactly why NBC/Universal is still holding onto their parks for the time being.) You'd need to be pretty desperate to dump parks in the current market (read Six Flags). 7) Kinzel was looking for a job at PKI? Why would you go from CEO of one of the most successful park chains to "some job" at PKI? (Plus, he announced last year that he's retiring in 2007.) I honestly don't mean to flame the original poster...he made an observation and wanted to share what he considered a thoughtful conclusion. Unfortunately, from there it blossomed into one of the most inane threads I've ever seen posted on one of these sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Picard Posted November 10, 2004 Share Posted November 10, 2004 7) Kinzel was looking for a job at PKI? Why would you go from CEO of one of the most successful park chains to "some job" at PKI? (Plus, he announced last year that he's retiring in 2007.) It was a joke like this one. He would be looking for a job because he was let go early for acquiring a Sixflags and buying TTD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Snapper Posted November 12, 2004 Author Share Posted November 12, 2004 Im gonna think what Im want to think and I did see it and if you guys dont want to believe me then ask Stella! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortex Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 (edited) Im gonna think what Im want to think and I did see it and if you guys dont want to believe me then ask Stella! I am sure you saw someone. While I was Hershey Park I saw someone from six flags. The guy was looking at Storm Runner. Edited November 12, 2004 by Vortex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ Kinda Guy Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 JZarley has probably made the most logical post I've ever seen on any PKI website....As for Snapper, your an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality15 Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 First of all, Cedar Fair would not buy King's Island. Their goal is not to buy another park and have to "Cedar Fair-ize" it, it's to bring back Geauga Lake and settle the water/sewer dispute in Muskegon. By no means would they purchase another park quite yet, it's just not economically reasonable. Second, a license plate in the parking lot reading CDR FAIR on it could be just about one of the 1000s of coaster enthusiasts around the nation. Finally, the person you saw was probably not Kinzel. He wouldn't be the one to discuss a new ride with the PKI crew, the head of Ride Operations and the General Manager of the park would be talking to the PKI crew, as it's their park and ride they'll be running. There ya go. Three reasons why this topic is just plain nutty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted November 12, 2004 Share Posted November 12, 2004 Lol, why would a Cedar Point fan with the license plate "CDR FAIR", visit Kings Island? I'm more of a CP fan than I am PKI. PKI needs to really step it up and build some serious coasters. The theming for IJ:ST will probably vanish after a year, then they could name it after the Adventure Express, it's that lame. To sum it all up, Kings Island NEEDS HELP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewbari Posted November 13, 2004 Share Posted November 13, 2004 Why doesn't everyone quit bashing people cause every one thinks differently. I agree, now if CF did buy PKI lose any good rides? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKILifeGuard Posted November 13, 2004 Share Posted November 13, 2004 Lol, why would a Cedar Point fan with the license plate "CDR FAIR", visit Kings Island? I'm more of a CP fan than I am PKI. PKI needs to really step it up and build some serious coasters. The theming for IJ:ST will probably vanish after a year, then they could name it after the Adventure Express, it's that lame. To sum it all up, Kings Island NEEDS HELP! PKI doesn't need help, they're one of the most acclaimed parks in the nation. Yes, there's many above them, but PKI is one of the, if not "the" biggest profit-makers for Paramount Parks INC. There's many things that can be said about CP, such as when TTD doesn't clear the top and rolls back down, they shut it down and the maintenance men don't arrive for another half-hour. (first hand experience) Even though the sign clearly says, "This is a natural occurence, and the train will be relaunched." It's not. Furthermore, PKI realizes that people are complaining about the theming of their rides being lost, and are making efforts to revamp the theming in most rides and keep them themed. Such as Adventure Express... they re-themed it and it remains themed throughout the year. PKI doesn't need help, they're a professional organization and are very good at what they do. Furthermore, they don't need unexperienced criticisms from people like you. If you would like more theming, then apply for the job of "Ride Operations" and wait 20 years to get promoted to the job that decides which rides get revamped and which ones don't. Paramount's Kings Island knows what they're doing, and doesn't need cynical critisism from people like you. :censored: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejoker8388 Posted November 13, 2004 Share Posted November 13, 2004 I agree with PKILifeGuard, for one to critize PKI's theming is absolutley ridiculous when you are comparing it to Cedar Points. I mean Cedar Point has no theming to speak of, they just jam a coaster in where ever they can. The only theming to even be seen is Disaster Transport and that is quite possibly the worst theming I have ever seen in my entire life, the theming is disjointed, makes no sence, has no purpose, and looks like they hired a 3rd grader to do the job. Now I do agree that their coasters are better than PKI's but thats it. That's all Cedar Point seems to focus on, so they better have good coasters. I mean some people say PKI has a lack of flat rides, look at Cedar Point they have nothing. Even if they get the Huss Frisbee they still need a ton more flats. Also, their kid areas and water parks pretty much stink. They are small and not really worth your while. Now don't get me wrong I like Cedar Point and think it's a great park, but to say that it's managed better than PKI is just an ignorant claim. PKI overall is much more well rounded than Cedar Point. PKI has an amazing kids area, a great water park, good coasters, and some great flats. Overall in my opinion PKI is run better because of its diversity and well roundedness, whereas Cedar Point just has coasters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted November 13, 2004 Share Posted November 13, 2004 If you would like more theming, then apply for the job of "Ride Operations" and wait 20 years to get promoted to the job that decides which rides get revamped and which ones don't. Paramount's Kings Island knows what they're doing, and doesn't need cynical critisism from people like you. :censored: I totally disagree with that. As the patrons of the park who see it the most often through the eyes of a non-employee we do have a certain pseudo-responsibility to be critical of the park. Employees know the reason why a piece of theming does work... whether there's no budget, or it's physically difficult to fix it, or whatever, but the patrons who aren't employees that go to the park regularly simply see that something doesn't work, or something looks trashy, or of an employee was rude, etc. That is the same perspective that a family of four would have. That patronage rules the park, so if you do see something wrong, by all means, let them know. If you really consider yourself a PKI fan, then just letting something slide really is a sort of disservice to the park. Regards, Ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewbari Posted November 13, 2004 Share Posted November 13, 2004 If you would like more theming, then apply for the job of "Ride Operations" and wait 20 years to get promoted to the job that decides which rides get revamped and which ones don't. Paramount's Kings Island knows what they're doing, and doesn't need cynical critisism from people like you. :censored: I totally disagree with that. As the patrons of the park who see it the most often through the eyes of a non-employee we do have a certain pseudo-responsibility to be critical of the park. Employees know the reason why a piece of theming does work... whether there's no budget, or it's physically difficult to fix it, or whatever, but the patrons who aren't employees that go to the park regularly simply see that something doesn't work, or something looks trashy, or of an employee was rude, etc. That is the same perspective that a family of four would have. That patronage rules the park, so if you do see something wrong, by all means, let them know. If you really consider yourself a PKI fan, then just letting something slide really is a sort of disservice to the park. Regards, Ryan So are you saying if the park removes a ride I liked, go ask them to bring the ride back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality15 Posted November 13, 2004 Share Posted November 13, 2004 Lol, why would a Cedar Point fan with the license plate "CDR FAIR", visit Kings Island? I'm more of a CP fan than I am PKI. PKI needs to really step it up and build some serious coasters. The theming for IJ:ST will probably vanish after a year, then they could name it after the Adventure Express, it's that lame. To sum it all up, Kings Island NEEDS HELP! I happen to be a Cedar Fair fanatic (decals all over my car, stickers, clothes, the works...) that visits PKI. Just because I love Cedar Fair doesn't mean I can't visit PKI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKILifeGuard Posted November 13, 2004 Share Posted November 13, 2004 That patronage rules the park, so if you do see something wrong, by all means, let them know. If you really consider yourself a PKI fan, then just letting something slide really is a sort of disservice to the park. You're right, if you see something wrong then let them know. However, saying the park "needs help" is going over the boundaries. There's a difference between constructive critisism and critisism in itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delirium13 Posted November 14, 2004 Share Posted November 14, 2004 That patronage rules the park, so if you do see something wrong, by all means, let them know. If you really consider yourself a PKI fan, then just letting something slide really is a sort of disservice to the park. You're right, if you see something wrong then let them know. However, saying the park "needs help" is going over the boundaries. There's a difference between constructive critisism and critisism in itself. I have to agree with them^. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter4Ever Posted November 14, 2004 Share Posted November 14, 2004 Isn't Kinzel (sp?) retiring from CF soon? He could have been just visiting a friend. In any industry it is quite common to have friends who are also competitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 If you would like more theming, then apply for the job of "Ride Operations" and wait 20 years to get promoted to the job that decides which rides get revamped and which ones don't. Paramount's Kings Island knows what they're doing, and doesn't need cynical critisism from people like you. :censored: I totally disagree with that. As the patrons of the park who see it the most often through the eyes of a non-employee we do have a certain pseudo-responsibility to be critical of the park. Employees know the reason why a piece of theming does work... whether there's no budget, or it's physically difficult to fix it, or whatever, but the patrons who aren't employees that go to the park regularly simply see that something doesn't work, or something looks trashy, or of an employee was rude, etc. That is the same perspective that a family of four would have. That patronage rules the park, so if you do see something wrong, by all means, let them know. If you really consider yourself a PKI fan, then just letting something slide really is a sort of disservice to the park. Regards, Ryan So are you saying if the park removes a ride I liked, go ask them to bring the ride back? If they remove a ride you like, fill out whatever paperwork at GR. I mean, it's a battle that you'll never win, but the park is always looking for peoples' opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Snapper Posted November 15, 2004 Author Share Posted November 15, 2004 If the park listened to our opinions then why wouldnt they listen to us about Scooters?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Picard Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 Because they know things we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIBeast Posted November 15, 2004 Share Posted November 15, 2004 And, just because they accept your opinions and ideas does not mean they will listen to you and bring something back. I can see it now...every time a ride is removed there will be a Save The ___________ campaign. (Fill in the blank)It's not like they will do what you say and rethink taking something out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Snapper Posted November 16, 2004 Author Share Posted November 16, 2004 yeah but the flying eagles ment so much more to people than say DOT or Troika Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIBeast Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 Yeah, but is it any more meaningful than King Kobra? Or Kenton Cove Keelboat Canal? Or, any other ride that has been removed? Of course not. There are several defunct rides that I feel should never have removed. But, I didn't start petitioning or whining about it. Move on. Life is too short to be that focused on something that insignificant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Snapper Posted November 16, 2004 Author Share Posted November 16, 2004 hey you know what once you work at a ride all season long every day its a little bit hard to move on. I probably rode the ride 400+ times this season and it DID MEAN A LOT to alot of people, Im mean people were crying the last night the ride was open. So it did mean A lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIBeast Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 Read again. I never said that it did not mean alot. I said that there have been just as many other meaningful rides out there that have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Snapper Posted November 20, 2004 Author Share Posted November 20, 2004 Well lets get back on topic and If Cedar Fair did buy PKI would you be excited of upset?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortex Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Snapper Posted November 21, 2004 Author Share Posted November 21, 2004 Yeah I wouldnt be either I think it would be a great Idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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