Justin_M17 Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 I went to KI on Friday with my girlfriend and her two brothers. After a visit to Boomerang Bay we changed back into our dry clothes and put our wet stuff into the backpack and locked it up at the lockers outside of FoF and Firehawk, This was around Noon. We come back at 9:30 to find out that our locker is unlocked and our stuff is missing. It's not like we lost anything valuble, all we had in there was clothes, but surely if someone would have noticed a person breaking into a locked locker? A serious blow to my faith in the security staff at Kings Island. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 Who is to say they broke in? They may have used a key. In which case, the park has more severe problems to look into. Imagine if there had been a wallet, credit cards, money, etc.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin_M17 Posted July 21, 2008 Author Share Posted July 21, 2008 Who is to say they broke in? They may have used a key. In which case, the park has more severe problems to look into. Imagine if there had been a wallet, credit cards, money, etc.... I suppose it's possible, but not very likely. I called the park about it and they told me to call and file a report with the police if I was interested in getting my stuff back, but apart from that there's nothing they can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BavarianBeatle Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 Security has been horrible this year. It seems as if the rules simply don't exist. There have been FAR more times that I have seen security guards trying to flirt with the female ride operators than I have seen them enforcing the rules... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigellinus Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 Since those lockers are tiny, is it possible the locker popped open later on in the day??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teenageninja Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 If it is a decent lock it should be capable of staying shut. It either 1 was not completely shut, or 2 someone is crooked in the park and broke in and stole your stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakota2112 Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 Even if the locker wasn't shut all the way and "popped" itself open, that doesn't change the fact that someone would stoop low enough to just help themselves to the locker's contents like it was their own personal property. How pathetic!!! But then again I guess that's why we need lockers in the first place, because of people like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH13TEEN Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 I don't think it was stolen. Thoughs are not all day lockers you can not leave your stuff in there all day. That is why there are all day lockers that cost $7 not $0.75. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On the other hand it could have been stolen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRider Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 Just a question for my clarification. If they are not all day lockers and a locker is then unpaid and the time expires. Does an employee remove said beloongings and re rent the locker? If so where are the contents then taken? Do they change locks on the locker since a person could still have the old key to expired locker? Just curious as to how it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teenageninja Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 The lockers do not have a time limit. The 7 dollar lockers are there because they are manned by staff at all times, therefore more secure. Also, Dakota, welcome to the real world. Someone decided to help themselves to my roommates stereo because it was in his car (you know his car stereo). That's the world now a days, if someone sees something they want, they'll take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRider Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 The lockers do not have a time limit. The 7 dollar lockers are there because they are manned by staff at all times, therefore more secure. Also, Dakota, welcome to the real world. Someone decided to help themselves to my roommates stereo because it was in his car (you know his car stereo). That's the world now a days, if someone sees something they want, they'll take it. Unless the staff manning said locker is also helping themself to said contents. Then are they really worth the $7? Im not acussing anybody, just asking some questions. Are the lockers checked for contents at the end of the day and all unclaimed contents removed? Who holds the master key to the lockers? Just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teenageninja Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 If someone was missing something out of the lockers that are manned then security would have probable cause against the employees. In order for the door to close, the key must be inserted and turned to the lock position, allowing it to be removed. This would make you and the employees of the park the only ones capable of getting into these lockers (in theory). I believe that the lockers are cleaned out everynight with everything being taken to Guest Relations. Most people tend to clean out their lockers because there is deposit on the locker as well. Hope that helped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rcfreak339 Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 I know at Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom they do but the only lockers are in the water park so you have to have your stuff around 7:00 when the waterpark closes, then they will come around and take everything to guest realations. Not worth 12 dollers to me for a small but you have no choice or your stuff will get stolean. So check with the lost and found and see if it's there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasper Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Man our generation is ruining the world as we speak. At elast you didnt leave anything valuable in there like your wallet phone ipod etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 I kinda doubt somebody just came up to your random locker and popped the thing open with a screwdriver. You have to have left it open or not lock it properly. And yes, every night they do a count of the locker keys to figure out which ones are missing. They will take a masterkey and open it up, remove the contents, and a new lock is installed. So if on Monday you buy a locker and save the key, it wont work on Tuesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRider Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Clears up my questions, thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHODEY2007 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Security has been horrible this year. It seems as if the rules simply don't exist. There have been FAR more times that I have seen security guards trying to flirt with the female ride operators than I have seen them enforcing the rules... How much time do you really take out of your day to observe security? I wonder how many park rules would be broken if you were one of the handful of guards trying to make tens of thousands of people follow each rule? Some people don't follow rules no matter what security is there. When was the last time you heard a child was abducted from Kings Island, a rape, murder, major assault, robery, or any other major felony happened at the park? That is the things I am concerned about and if you take in consideration, you may change your statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin_M17 Posted July 23, 2008 Author Share Posted July 23, 2008 Security has been horrible this year. It seems as if the rules simply don't exist. There have been FAR more times that I have seen security guards trying to flirt with the female ride operators than I have seen them enforcing the rules... How much time do you really take out of your day to observe security? I wonder how many park rules would be broken if you were one of the handful of guards trying to make tens of thousands of people follow each rule? Some people don't follow rules no matter what security is there. When was the last time you heard a child was abducted from Kings Island, a rape, murder, major assault, robery, or any other major felony happened at the park? That is the things I am concerned about and if you take in consideration, you may change your statement. You'd be concerned if it had been your stuff stolen out of your locker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHODEY2007 Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 Security has been horrible this year. It seems as if the rules simply don't exist. There have been FAR more times that I have seen security guards trying to flirt with the female ride operators than I have seen them enforcing the rules... How much time do you really take out of your day to observe security? I wonder how many park rules would be broken if you were one of the handful of guards trying to make tens of thousands of people follow each rule? Some people don't follow rules no matter what security is there. When was the last time you heard a child was abducted from Kings Island, a rape, murder, major assault, robery, or any other major felony happened at the park? That is the things I am concerned about and if you take in consideration, you may change your statement. You'd be concerned if it had been your stuff stolen out of your locker. I believe it was more user error in locking your locker than someone breaking into the locker. Make sure you check the locker to make absolutely sure it is locked next time. You may want to blame those who actually maintain the lockers than the security officers. If security sees someone walk up, open the locker, and take stuff out, it will not look suspicious. Did you happen to look for pry marks or anything out of the ordinary on the locker after your found your stuff was missing? I am sorry but your larceny still doesn't come close to my previous statement. Learn from this and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 ... I am sorry but your larceny still doesn't come close to my previous statement. Learn from this and move on. I trust you mean "your being a victim of larceny still doesn't come close..." After all, we aren't accusing Justin of taking his own stuff, are we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BavarianBeatle Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 Security has been horrible this year. It seems as if the rules simply don't exist. There have been FAR more times that I have seen security guards trying to flirt with the female ride operators than I have seen them enforcing the rules... How much time do you really take out of your day to observe security? I wonder how many park rules would be broken if you were one of the handful of guards trying to make tens of thousands of people follow each rule? Some people don't follow rules no matter what security is there. When was the last time you heard a child was abducted from Kings Island, a rape, murder, major assault, robery, or any other major felony happened at the park? That is the things I am concerned about and if you take in consideration, you may change your statement. I will stand by my statement about security guards ignoring rule violations that occur in their presence. Specifically, alcohol, cigarette smoking and line jumping that occur while the guards are talking to the female ride operators. I have also walked behind secuity guards while people smoking cigarettes pass them with no action taken. As for the other things you have mentioned, the absence of these kinds of crimes at KI has as much to do with the fact that it is a crowded public place as much as it has to do with security. After all, if someone is inclined to commit a violent crime, they are naturally less likely to do so in a place where there will be hundreds of witnesses. And, a rhetorical question, why would a felon act in a place that they have to pay to get into when there are thousands of places where they can commit crime for free? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cortney Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 The day I was at Carowinds last week, 4 cars were broken into in the parking lot the day I was there. Its the same kind of ? about what do you pay all money to park, are they keeping a good eye there?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BavarianBeatle Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 Well, I will say this for the security at KI. The parking lot has been well-staffed by security this year, especially at closing time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHODEY2007 Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 Security has been horrible this year. It seems as if the rules simply don't exist. There have been FAR more times that I have seen security guards trying to flirt with the female ride operators than I have seen them enforcing the rules... How much time do you really take out of your day to observe security? I wonder how many park rules would be broken if you were one of the handful of guards trying to make tens of thousands of people follow each rule? Some people don't follow rules no matter what security is there. When was the last time you heard a child was abducted from Kings Island, a rape, murder, major assault, robery, or any other major felony happened at the park? That is the things I am concerned about and if you take in consideration, you may change your statement. I will stand by my statement about security guards ignoring rule violations that occur in their presence. Specifically, alcohol, cigarette smoking and line jumping that occur while the guards are talking to the female ride operators. I have also walked behind secuity guards while people smoking cigarettes pass them with no action taken. As for the other things you have mentioned, the absence of these kinds of crimes at KI has as much to do with the fact that it is a crowded public place as much as it has to do with security. After all, if someone is inclined to commit a violent crime, they are naturally less likely to do so in a place where there will be hundreds of witnesses. And, a rhetorical question, why would a felon act in a place that they have to pay to get into when there are thousands of places where they can commit crime for free? What about alcohol? Are you mad people can walk around with it now? As long as guests are not in a line for a ride, they are allowed to take it anywhere in the park. They did away with the beer garden rule awhile back. I still would like to know how much time you have spent just following around security while at KI. I have been going to KI longer than some of those female ride operators you speak of have been alive and I find it a rarity to see security speaking with ride operators at all, let alone females. Point being, you make a general reference about a whole department of workers, which is unfair. If you have an issue, find out the officer's name and go to guest relations with a complaint. If it is as you say, nothing will get better until someone steps up to the plate and says something. By the way, you may want to just check out public records at the City of Mason, and just take a look how productive KI security really is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kwindshawne Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 Security has been horrible this year. It seems as if the rules simply don't exist. There have been FAR more times that I have seen security guards trying to flirt with the female ride operators than I have seen them enforcing the rules... How much time do you really take out of your day to observe security? I wonder how many park rules would be broken if you were one of the handful of guards trying to make tens of thousands of people follow each rule? Some people don't follow rules no matter what security is there. When was the last time you heard a child was abducted from Kings Island, a rape, murder, major assault, robery, or any other major felony happened at the park? That is the things I am concerned about and if you take in consideration, you may change your statement. I will stand by my statement about security guards ignoring rule violations that occur in their presence. Specifically, alcohol, cigarette smoking and line jumping that occur while the guards are talking to the female ride operators. I have also walked behind secuity guards while people smoking cigarettes pass them with no action taken. As for the other things you have mentioned, the absence of these kinds of crimes at KI has as much to do with the fact that it is a crowded public place as much as it has to do with security. After all, if someone is inclined to commit a violent crime, they are naturally less likely to do so in a place where there will be hundreds of witnesses. And, a rhetorical question, why would a felon act in a place that they have to pay to get into when there are thousands of places where they can commit crime for free? What about alcohol? Are you mad people can walk around with it now? As long as guests are not in a line for a ride, they are allowed to take it anywhere in the park. They did away with the beer garden rule awhile back. I still would like to know how much time you have spent just following around security while at KI. I have been going to KI longer than some of those female ride operators you speak of have been alive and I find it a rarity to see security speaking with ride operators at all, let alone females. Point being, you make a general reference about a whole department of workers, which is unfair. If you have an issue, find out the officer's name and go to guest relations with a complaint. If it is as you say, nothing will get better until someone steps up to the plate and says something. By the way, you may want to just check out public records at the City of Mason, and just take a look how productive KI security really is. Thank you WHODEY. I don't think people realize the crap security puts up with on a daily basis. Security goes to ride ops to check and make sure there are no problems like the recent issues at Beast with the crowds. At least they are making a presence and doing what they can. Add in the odds are probably 1000 to 1 guard on any given day...I would say smoking is a minor thing compared to a bigger issue such as assaults, rape etc. And yes, alcohol is allowed throughout the areas, just not in lines. You have to look at the whole picture. Beetle, Whodey is right-get the guards name and complain if you don't like what you see. And then walk in his shoes for a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BavarianBeatle Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 First, it is NOT the individual guards that are the problem. I'm sure that the vast majority, if not all, of them do their jobs to the best of their ability and follow the standards that are set by management. (Otherwise they wouldn't be working there). Therein lies the problem, IMO. I'm sure that if park management made enforcement of park rules more of a priority, the guards would respond and the rulebreaking would soon be substantially reduced. I'm sorry if I didn't make that clearer in my earlier posts. I have been going to the park since 1972 (with a break of a few years in the 90s), and I have never seen more rule violations than I have this year. I do not carry a stopwatch or a pen and paper to document the exact number of times I observe these things or the exact amount of time I happen to be around security... But I have seen enough to notice that the rules are being broken more frequently than ever. Finally, I am not going to go and complain to GR about every time a security guard happens to pass someone smoking or violating the rules. It is management's job to monitor and supervise their employees, not mine. I'm there to have fun and spend time with and entertain my kids. I'm not going to drag them to the front of the park over these things and deprive them of their (I consider our park visits to be their time and not mine) valuable time at the park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHODEY2007 Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 First, it is NOT the individual guards that are the problem. I'm sure that the vast majority, if not all, of them do their jobs to the best of their ability and follow the standards that are set by management. (Otherwise they wouldn't be working there). Therein lies the problem, IMO. I'm sure that if park management made enforcement of park rules more of a priority, the guards would respond and the rulebreaking would soon be substantially reduced. I'm sorry if I didn't make that clearer in my earlier posts. I have been going to the park since 1972 (with a break of a few years in the 90s), and I have never seen more rule violations than I have this year. I do not carry a stopwatch or a pen and paper to document the exact number of times I observe these things or the exact amount of time I happen to be around security... But I have seen enough to notice that the rules are being broken more frequently than ever. Finally, I am not going to go and complain to GR about every time a security guard happens to pass someone smoking or violating the rules. It is management's job to monitor and supervise their employees, not mine. I'm there to have fun and spend time with and entertain my kids. I'm not going to drag them to the front of the park over these things and deprive them of their (I consider our park visits to be their time and not mine) valuable time at the park. Interesting way to backtrack after saying, "Security has been horrible this year." It is hard to make a point about park management when you make a statement that doesn't have park management anywhere in it. I believe that security's number one goal should be the personal protection of the individual, rather than material items of each person. This is a major reason why we all walk through metal detection. Park rules like, smoking in designated areas, line jumping, etc, though important, should be considered secondary to the safety and protection of you and your children. Think of all the crap those folks go through on a daily basis. Many of them make a very low hourly wage but still put themselves in potiential harms way just so that you and your family can have a fun-filled day. For the amount of time you have spent replying to these posts, you could have made a quite a few statements at GR. GR is open till the last guest leaves for the night and it is right on your way out. No need to interrupt their day. Stop on your way out. Easy enough. Or maybe you are like certain folks who just look for something to complain about but never want to go about it in the right way. You get zero sympathy from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamoperator Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 Can these lockers be locked with the door in an open position? Can the key be withdrawn from the cylinder after the money is put in with the door open? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnarkiller Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 Thats sucks, lucky nothing valuable was in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BavarianBeatle Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 First, it is NOT the individual guards that are the problem. I'm sure that the vast majority, if not all, of them do their jobs to the best of their ability and follow the standards that are set by management. (Otherwise they wouldn't be working there). Therein lies the problem, IMO. I'm sure that if park management made enforcement of park rules more of a priority, the guards would respond and the rulebreaking would soon be substantially reduced. I'm sorry if I didn't make that clearer in my earlier posts. I have been going to the park since 1972 (with a break of a few years in the 90s), and I have never seen more rule violations than I have this year. I do not carry a stopwatch or a pen and paper to document the exact number of times I observe these things or the exact amount of time I happen to be around security... But I have seen enough to notice that the rules are being broken more frequently than ever. Finally, I am not going to go and complain to GR about every time a security guard happens to pass someone smoking or violating the rules. It is management's job to monitor and supervise their employees, not mine. I'm there to have fun and spend time with and entertain my kids. I'm not going to drag them to the front of the park over these things and deprive them of their (I consider our park visits to be their time and not mine) valuable time at the park. Interesting way to backtrack after saying, "Security has been horrible this year." It is hard to make a point about park management when you make a statement that doesn't have park management anywhere in it. I believe that security's number one goal should be the personal protection of the individual, rather than material items of each person. This is a major reason why we all walk through metal detection. Park rules like, smoking in designated areas, line jumping, etc, though important, should be considered secondary to the safety and protection of you and your children. Think of all the crap those folks go through on a daily basis. Many of them make a very low hourly wage but still put themselves in potiential harms way just so that you and your family can have a fun-filled day. For the amount of time you have spent replying to these posts, you could have made a quite a few statements at GR. GR is open till the last guest leaves for the night and it is right on your way out. No need to interrupt their day. Stop on your way out. Easy enough. Or maybe you are like certain folks who just look for something to complain about but never want to go about it in the right way. You get zero sympathy from me. When have I ever said I was looking for sympathy?!? I'm NOT!!! I'm on a website reflecting upon my observations at the park and stating my opinion about those observations.... Hence the existence of KIC. But you make a good point, and I stand corrected. I should have said that "enforcement of the park rules" rather than "security" has been horrible this year. That's what I meant to say originally, and I'm sorry if it was misinterpreted. I see your point and I thank you for pointing out how I misworded what I meant to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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