Hank Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 ^ I think George Harrison wrote a song with those words. I still feel it can be fixed. Let me at it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSonofBeast Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 i didnt say that its problems were because of how it was handled, but merely pointing out that Cedar Fair definitely has not helped the situation at all in how it has been handled. I do know that Son of Beast has its problems, of which Cedar Fair had nothing to do with, and was just handed off. Son of Beasts problems are in flaws in the design of the monster of a ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlfox_21 Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Hey, Cedar Fair is suddenly interested in the use of animals. They could do the animal thing right, tear the Son of Beast down, and what was could be again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlfox_21 Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 On the other hand, if you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there. Terpy, lover of old saws... Hmmmmmm. Saws cut down wood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldschool75 Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 ^ I think George Harrison wrote a song with those words. I still feel it can be fixed. Let me at it! Another George Harrison fan It was off his final album Brainwashed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 i didnt say that its problems were because of how it was handled, but merely pointing out that Cedar Fair definitely has not helped the situation at all in how it has been handled. Ok, so what could they have handled differently to help things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hausty1983 Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 I really wouldn't point the finger at CF at all really it should be the designer because the design was horrible to begin with and no owners of the park should be at fault to me really because look at its father the designer had a great design and wanted people to ride it for years and years and not tear itself apart like its son has lol! I think CF has had their hands full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedarPointer Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 I wouldn't point the finger at CF, either. I'd point the finger at Werner Stengel, RCCA, and Paramount Parks. CF can't polish a turd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSonofBeast Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 you guys got me all wrong. im not pointing the finger at Cedar Fair for Son of Beasts problems. i am however pointing out the serious lapses in judgment Cedar Fair has had with dealing with the Son of Beast situation. The only thing they did right was to tell the pres the real story before it became too much of a huge disaster. Then it just went downhill. They had guest relations constantly lie about why it was down saying it was down for maintenance. Then the state of ohio released its findings on the Son of Beast incident which was picked up by quite a few news places and then just nothing. The park didnt say anything for about a month until finally they said Son of Beast will not be opening for the rest of the season. They have done nothing other than quietly remove things from the park slowly throughout the season. If it is to not reopen, that would mean that there would be NO chance of last rides, on a ride that could be simply opened with a few inspections from the state of Ohio. It would just have closed June 16th, and never have reopened. When paramount dealt with the 2006 issue, it battled it head on with questions and answers instead of complete silence. The silence is what has driven this thread and will continue to drive this thread. the moment Kings Island says we will close Son of Beast for good, or will try and reopen it for 2010 this thread will be pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedarPointer Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 I noticed that SoB is airbrushed out of the Haunt map, even though there's room for it. Oh, and it was CF that dealt with the 2006 issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hausty1983 Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 I never said you were pointing the finger at CF, the media really shouldn't be though they are just because they are dealing with the disaster mess and don't really have nothing better to do than try making CF look so negative in the ways they are reporting. I think we will soon find out after the season is over with in 5 weeks or more when they decide what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast1979 Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 I noticed that SoB is airbrushed out of the Haunt map, even though there's room for it. Would you advertise a ride that wasn't currently open? Oh, and it was CF that dealt with the 2006 issue. That was Marlene, a whole different era of (Paramounts) Kings Island. Now we have Short Round and Shiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedarPointer Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 I know, I thought that CF had already taken over the park when the 2006 accident happened, but the park still had the Paramount name. I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast1979 Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Cedar Fair took over shortly before the Son of Beast incident, only a few weeks before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 I noticed that SoB is airbrushed out of the Haunt map, even though there's room for it. Would you advertise a ride that wasn't currently open? Oh, and it was CF that dealt with the 2006 issue. That was Marlene, a whole different era of (Paramounts) Kings Island. Now we have Short Round and Shiny. Uh, that would be Maureen. How quickly they forget. Are you also going to say Mr. Seibert's name was Jethro? Cedar Fair took over shortly before the Son of Beast incident, only a few weeks before. If by a few you mean less than two, you'd be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 you guys got me all wrong. im not pointing the finger at Cedar Fair for Son of Beasts problems. i am however pointing out the serious lapses in judgment Cedar Fair has had with dealing with the Son of Beast situation. The only thing they did right was to tell the pres the real story before it became too much of a huge disaster. Then it just went downhill. They had guest relations constantly lie about why it was down saying it was down for maintenance. Then the state of ohio released its findings on the Son of Beast incident which was picked up by quite a few news places and then just nothing. The park didnt say anything for about a month until finally they said Son of Beast will not be opening for the rest of the season. They have done nothing other than quietly remove things from the park slowly throughout the season. If it is to not reopen, that would mean that there would be NO chance of last rides, on a ride that could be simply opened with a few inspections from the state of Ohio. It would just have closed June 16th, and never have reopened. When paramount dealt with the 2006 issue, it battled it head on with questions and answers instead of complete silence. The silence is what has driven this thread and will continue to drive this thread. the moment Kings Island says we will close Son of Beast for good, or will try and reopen it for 2010 this thread will be pointless. Wow, where to begin... Just because Ohio Department of Agriculture has cleared the ride for operation does not mean the park has to re-open the ride. And in the article that started this whole thread, http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2009072...nearly+complete KI spokesman Don Helbig is quoted: Kings Island spokesman Don Helbig said “though I would like to have an exact date, it would be inappropriate to speculate on when exactly the ride may re-open.” And in that whole article, this comment stands out: The Son of Beast opened in 2000. Since then, more injury investigations have been opened concerning the ride than any other ride in Ohio, according to records kept by the ODA. This is the sixth investigation opened on the coaster, which holds the record as the tallest and fastest wooden roller coaster in the world. The park is taking the safe route concerning SoB. They never lied about anything. The ride is/ was down for maintenance. If that maintenance does not prove to be successful or to the standards that the park is looking for, then the ride will remain closed until a decision is made. Why would the park open the ride, just for "last rides" and then close it again? That would be foolish. The park does not believe that SoB is in proper working order, and will remain closed. Period. People's personal feelings for the "chance at a last ride" does not outweigh safety. I applaud CF for making the correct "judgement" call in not re-opening the ride, even though state investigators cleared the ride for operation. Six different investigations in 9 years. That is a huge burden of liability on the park's shoulders. They certainly don't want a 7th investigation. Along with that, if the park would have re-opened the ride, any yahoo could get on the ride and claim another injury. And if that injury would make it to court, who is more believable? The innocent rider, or the park for operating a ride that has has 6 investigations? The park keeping quiet about SoB's status is the safest course of action. And let's get the facts straight. It was announced that CF purchased Paramount Parks on May 22nd, 2006 and completed the purchase on July 1st, 2006. SoB's serious accident where part of the structure broke happened July 9th, 2006. So Paramount wasn't even around to "deal with the 2006 issue, it battled it head on with questions and answers." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Actually, the purchase was effective June 30, 2006. And there are many other factors in whether or not a coaster can operate than just the State of Ohio. From insurance carriers to corporate safety people, many, many people have input into that decision. Mr. Kinzel has said many times he would not operate any ride he wouldn't want his kids on. And I am quite certain that would be true even if the State of Ohio were to clear a ride. Unless Mr. Kinzel and many, many others say so, this, or any other Cedar Fair ride, will not dispatch with riders aboard. Last rides or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Actually, the purchase was effective June 30, 2006. Yeah, that day makes the conversation completely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Actually, I remember the date well only because it was so odd. Why on earth would a company want to time an acquisition to take effect the last day of the second quarter as opposed to the first day of the third quarter? I'm sure there was some reason, but heaven knows what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 ^ And that is why I mentioned July 1st. Oh well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIfan1980 Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Actually, I remember the date well only because it was so odd. Why on earth would a company want to time an acquisition to take effect the last day of the second quarter as opposed to the first day of the third quarter? I'm sure there was some reason, but heaven knows what. I can think of a few potential reasons - They really didn't like their finance folks that much and wanted to make them work really hard and fast to finalize the 2nd quarter books - The seller (who seemed to have the upper hand in the deal) wanted the parks off their books in the second quarter - The most likely option in my mind. July 1st was a Saturday, Friday June 30th became the best option since many things were closed July 3rd and 4th for Independence Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSonofBeast Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 i stand corrected on the paramount/ Cedar Fair things. i thought that paramount management ran the park until the 2006 season, then it was switched completely over to Cedar Fair for 2007. and i said i wouldnt expect them to open it for last rides if they were to close it. the point is, it would be a terrible way or the ride to go down, just closing one random day with a phone call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bc9755 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 SoB is a liability for the park for sure. I just wonder ... is there really anything that can be done to change that? Short of a tear-down and complete re-build, what can CF do? I absolutely do not envy those who are on the "What's up with SoB?" team. Even if they made extensive, costly modifications this off-season, there's the possibility that, even then, next season, there may be further lawsuits because of this ride's reputation even if it was as smooth and tame as possible. I would personally hate to see this ride go. Perhaps there are other possibilities that I can't see ... just kinda seems hard to predict what CF might do to solve this. A ride that is SBNO does have a cost. If CF decides to go that route for 2010, it's certainly gonna cause some talk. Maybe they're counting on KD and Carowinds to offset that a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outdoor Man Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 if I had some sheckels to wager, i'd place the bet on demolition. Now, if anyone is "real" curious... attend a Mason or Deerfield Twp trustees meeting- if there is demolition to occur, I'm pretty certain that council would be discussing demolition permits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakota2112 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 if I had some sheckels to wager, i'd place the bet on demolition. Now, if anyone is "real" curious... attend a Mason or Deerfield Twp trustees meeting- if there is demolition to occur, I'm pretty certain that council would be discussing demolition permits. But would it really be demolished, or would it be dismantled? If it is dismantled, maybe they can sell the materials (wood) to recoup some of the cost. (of course dismantling might also require permits through city council as well) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofBeast07 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 About all you could demolish would be the rosebowl. The lift hill and first drop are only a few FEET away from Adventure Express and Flight Deck. You would have to dismantle most of the ride. And I'm doubtful there is much you could do with used heavily treated wood. I think it's funny that most people on here accept that the future of the ride is destruction, as if the extensive testing in the past few weeks means nothing. I just hope that the park doesn't cut corners if they decide to invest in the ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakota2112 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 About all you could demolish would be the rosebowl. The lift hill and first drop are only a few FEET away from Adventure Express and Flight Deck. You would have to dismantle most of the ride. And I'm doubtful there is much you could do with used heavily treated wood. I think it's funny that most people on here accept that the future of the ride is destruction, as if the extensive testing in the past few weeks means nothing. I just hope that the park doesn't cut corners if they decide to invest in the ride. No one has accepted anything, it's all speculation. Although one particular individual's thoughts have swayed the general outlook imho. Why can't you do much with used heavily treated wood? There's a heck of a lot of wood sitting there, and even though it has a bunch of holes in it, I would think there is some value left in it. Seems awful wasteful for it to not be reused somewhere, especially in this day and age of "going green". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AintNutinElse2Do Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Reclaimed lumber is a growing trend that you see many places in construction and design now. You can make floors, OSB, furniture, and pretty much anything you can out of new wood. However I don't see the park actually gaining any money from it but instead just an offset of cost of disposal. Of course thats if they do what I hope they don't. All the bolts and rails on the other hand would probably get a pretty penny for scrap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outdoor Man Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 About all you could demolish would be the rosebowl. The lift hill and first drop are only a few FEET away from Adventure Express and Flight Deck. You would have to dismantle most of the ride. And I'm doubtful there is much you could do with used heavily treated wood. I think it's funny that most people on here accept that the future of the ride is destruction, as if the extensive testing in the past few weeks means nothing. I just hope that the park doesn't cut corners if they decide to invest in the ride. No one has accepted anything, it's all speculation. Although one particular individual's thoughts have swayed the general outlook imho. Why can't you do much with used heavily treated wood? There's a heck of a lot of wood sitting there, and even though it has a bunch of holes in it, I would think there is some value left in it. Seems awful wasteful for it to not be reused somewhere, especially in this day and age of "going green". awful wasteful? see the whole Geauga Lake story. Many things have been recycled... but many, many things torn down. I don't think that a person's thoughts have swayed any opinion. Whatever it cost to build has been augmented in millions spent in maintaining and refurbishing; it has 6 injury investigations in nine years and has actually sent a train-full to the hospital. Its all going to boil down to the liability insurance carrier for the park; not necessarily the park ownership, management, or "fans." It was a flawed design from Day #1. I'm sure "The Bat" had tons of fans in its short window of operation (i being one of them). the parks ROI operated at a deficit for it, they cut their losses and moved on. At this stage in the game, too many "lawsuit-happy" folks already know that it is prone to offer injury. There will come a day when Cedar Fair management, in conjunction with or at the bequest of their insurance carrier say, "its over." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outdoor Man Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 if they do decide to close it for good- you can write off any thoughts of a "last ride." For the lawsuit crowd, that would be one last chance to fabricate an injury. sounds preposterous I know- like suing McDonalds for millions because they served hot coffee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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