WHO'S READY TO SEE A MIDGET BLEED?

[Browntggrr]

Upcharge attractions aren't the only way to make money... If this show is as marketable as I believe it will be, Kings Island's Halloween Haunt will have record attendance.

Are you leading us to believe that the HH ticket prices would be less if not for the wrestling event?

If not, this is just another attraction the park is putting on and still does not warrent the "quick buck" comment as the park would still make money wrestling or not.

[Coney Islander]

I predict Halloween Haunt to have record attendance numbers.

More people coming to the park means more people paying for the admission and very likely whatever else Kings Island has to offer.

Is my posting really that unclear? If so, I'll take any friendly criticism.

[Browntggrr]

I predict Halloween Haunt to have record attendance numbers.

More people coming to the park means more people paying for the admission and very likely whatever else Kings Island has to offer.

Is my posting really that unclear? If so, I'll take any friendly criticism.

Upcharge attractions aren't the only way to make money... If this show is as marketable as I believe it will be, Kings Island's Halloween Haunt will have record attendance.

Are you leading us to believe that the HH ticket prices would be less if not for the wrestling event?

If not, this is just another attraction the park is putting on and still does not warrent the "quick buck" comment as the park would still make money wrestling or not.

[74Gibson]

Snowman, welcome to KICentral! I appreciate your level-headedness (holy run on adjective Batman!)

The reason some are choosing not to go to haunt is because we have seen a trend at KI... a fairly consistent trend favoring more risky, risque and offensive attractions and promotions. Some of us do not like that trend and are making a public statement. It may be an over-reaction in regards to the level of danger or whatever the Half Pint Brawlers bring but at least we are heard. When my firends do something stupid, I tell them because I care. I believe this is a stupid move on the part of KI and I am telling them.

I have had great trips to KI recently and have had little to complain about (mostly food choices). I'm happy with CF and how current management is running the park. I personally don't want to be in the atmosphere they are promoting for Haunt and I am making a public statement about that... I may still go and I may not, but I was definitely going before I heard this and remembered the tasteless skeleton fiasco laast year and read multiple posts from staff members saying that they are having more problems from guests than in past years. There is history here and momentum is building. I'm worried that crowd behavior might just get a little worse each year and that the atmosphere created by this show is a step in that direction.

I saw a fight in the line for Millie this year and it took several minutes for security to get there, The crowd was trying to break it up. Imagine this in a seculed haunt, where it's dark, and people may have their reasoning and control impaired by alcohol.

I don;t mind alcohol in the parks, in fact I love drinking at parks. I have a Black Belt in Hapkido and am fine with fighting sports. I just don't think this is the right attraction for my KI. `

[windshawne]

Snowman, welcome to KICentral! I appreciate your level-headedness (holy run on adjective Batman!)

The reason some are choosing not to go to haunt is because we have seen a trend at KI... a fairly consistent trend favoring more risky, risque and offensive attractions and promotions. Some of us do not like that trend and are making a public statement. It may be an over-reaction in regards to the level of danger or whatever the Half Pint Brawlers bring but at least we are heard. When my firends do something stupid, I tell them because I care. I believe this is a stupid move on the part of KI and I am telling them.

I have had great trips to KI recently and have had little to complain about (mostly food choices). I'm happy with CF and how current management is running the park. I personally don't want to be in the atmosphere they are promoting for Haunt and I am making a public statement about that... I may still go and I may not, but I was definitely going before I heard this and remembered the tasteless skeleton fiasco laast year and read multiple posts from staff members saying that they are having more problems from guests than in past years. There is history here and momentum is building. I'm worried that crowd behavior might just get a little worse each year and that the atmosphere created by this show is a step in that direction.

I saw a fight in the line for Millie this year and it took several minutes for security to get there, The crowd was trying to break it up. Imagine this in a seculed haunt, where it's dark, and people may have their reasoning and control impaired by alcohol.

I don;t mind alcohol in the parks, in fact I love drinking at parks. I have a Black Belt in Hapkido and am fine with fighting sports. I just don't think this is the right attraction for my KI. `

Perfect! What I have been trying to say all along. It's the atmosphere and the trouble that the park is going toward that bothers me. I work at KI, and this is my last year. I'm tired of it. People are getting more and more belligerent and just downright foul and I don't want to be around it anymore.

[Snowman]

74 Gibson, Thanks for the welcome.

This is my first haunt and first year living in Cincinnati and I, like you really care about KI. I've been to the Haunt Friday, Saturday and Hallowfest yesterday. My wife and I have felt completely safe the whole time and we are going back next weekend with no concerns about bloody wrestling midget watchers. Security was everywhere and the only thing I have ever seen at KI were guests just having a great time.

We, like you believe this promotion/activity is in bad taste, but our protest will be not going to the Festhaus during the show. I will be willing to bet management will be keeping a close eye on how many people attend and stay for the whole show.

Also, It has been pointed out to me in an earlier post that there are some very important KI people on this site. So isn't it a more effective protest for us to let KI know our displeasure at their decission by our posts on this site and not attending the show?

I just hate to see people miss the whole haunt to make a protest that, by gate numbers, KI will honestly not notice. I have been imploring people to go to the park have the blast that's available, and just boycott the show.

On a couple of other threads, visitors are trashing Wolf Pack as a very weak Haunt, as a result, my wife and I have decided to not go through it. I'm sure these complaints have been brought to the attention of management, and if enough people complain it probably won't return. So, isn't this a more effective form of protest?

There have been people at the beginning of every haunt we've been through with counters and I'm sure there will be at HPB. So, hopefully the lack of numbers in the Festhaus will make our point.

Lets hope.

We had a wonderful weekend, and plan to have 4 more, weather permitting, I hope all the readers do the same.

[74Gibson]

That's just the thing Snowman. I won't let their poor decision to have this event interfere with my fun. I'm equally close to several parks and have limitless other hobbies and projects. I love KI and have had awseome trips this year... I'll just be going further north this fall. Maybe I'll hit KI, maybe not. But I was definitely going before I saw how they were promoting Haunt this year. .

Windshawn, I'm sorry you feel that way. You seem like a great person and, though maybe small, it will be KI's loss. How many other good employees will be offended/annoyed by the detereoration of the overall guest moral. How many will quit? How many will get replaced by employees that don't mind rude or threatening people because they themselves are so inclined. Great, a possible trend towards less pleasurable guests that drives away quality employees to be possibly replaced by less desirable ones. It's the domino effect people. That's what many are missing in this thread.

[Coney Islander]

^^

There's a very good chance that Wolf Pack will improve within the next few weeks. Being a new Haunt as it is, all of the actors have to get used to the werewolf theme, learn effective ways to scare people, etc.

[windshawne]

That's just the thing Snowman. I won't let their poor decision to have this event interfere with my fun. I'm equally close to several parks and have limitless other hobbies and projects. I love KI and have had awseome trips this year... I'll just be going further north this fall. Maybe I'll hit KI, maybe not. But I was definitely going before I saw how they were promoting Haunt this year. .

Windshawn, I'm sorry you feel that way. You seem like a great person and, though maybe small, it will be KI's loss. How many other good employees will be offended/annoyed by the detereoration of the overall guest moral. How many will quit? How many will get replaced by employees that don't mind rude or threatening people because they themselves are so inclined. Great, a possible trend towards less pleasurable guests that drives away quality employees to be possibly replaced by less desirable ones. It's the domino effect people. That's what many are missing in this thread.

Thank you. I have my faults, but yes, it's just not worth the hassle anymore. I think there are several who feel the way I do, and its a sad thing that some of the veterans are not returning. I plan on getting a season pass, but I will be going during the week after work, and sundays. I'm just not into the haunt thing, as vulgar and offensive as this has become. I liked it better when it was fearfest, and undertaker was doing the hosting. He was made for that role, and that is truly KI's loss.

In the past four years, I have been called every foul thing you can imagine. My first year, I had a guest physically push against me to go against the flow of traffic, cursing me as he did it. Another guest didn't like the fact I asked him to put his cigarette out, and he threw it at my chest. Everyone makes a big stink on here about the smoking issue, but I can say from experience you really don't know what is going to happen when you ask a guest to put it out. Then the park creates sexually explicit haunts like club blood, plain gross things like slaughterhouse (which by the way, I couldn't believe they were going to put live animals in there). This year, they are promoting the wrestling. I don't have a problem with wrestling, but it doesn't belong at KI. The crowd they will attract is going to be a major headache the last 4 weeks I am with the park. Kind of ironic, in the same paragraph as promoting this "attraction" KI got the award for best kids area. I don't get it.....

[Snowman]

Gibson74/Windshawne,

We seem to be getting to a broader subject than midgets abusing office supplies. Windshawne has basically said enough with the beligerent park guests. Gibson74 has referred to KI's decisionS (emphasis on plural) to attract a less than pleasant crowd.

These violent midgets haven't even started bleeding! So I wonder, what things has KI done that has degraded the quality of the guests? Did it start with Kneivel? What has happened since, remember I'm new here so I am admittedly ignorant on Cedar Fair's past guest relations decisions.

Don't get me wrong, if we could fill the park just with what seems to be the intelligent posters here, I would love it.

I actually saw one moronic family take 2 four year olds AND a BABY on the Tombstone Terror Train saturday night!

Unfortunately, I don't think KI will institute an IQ test with park admission.

So Windshawne, as an employee, please tell me what is the cure to minimize offensive, moronic park guests?

[Coney Islander]

Given the nature of Evil Kneivel, the jump had absolutely no effect towards the number of Kings Island belligerents.

The jump was marketed towards families... As much more of what Kings Island offers should be.

[windshawne]

Gibson74/Windshawne,

We seem to be getting to a broader subject than midgets abusing office supplies. Windshawne has basically said enough with the beligerent park guests. Gibson74 has referred to KI's decisionS (emphasis on plural) to attract a less than pleasant crowd.

These violent midgets haven't even started bleeding! So I wonder, what things has KI done that has degraded the quality of the guests? Did it start with Kneivel? What has happened since, remember I'm new here so I am admittedly ignorant on Cedar Fair's past guest relations decisions.

Don't get me wrong, if we could fill the park just with what seems to be the intelligent posters here, I would love it.

I actually saw one moronic family take 2 four year olds AND a BABY on the Tombstone Terror Train saturday night!

Unfortunately, I don't think KI will institute an IQ test with park admission.

So Windshawne, as an employee, please tell me what is the cure to minimize offensive, moronic park guests?

I don't know-I wish I did. I have thought about this a lot, and maybe promoting more innocent type of haunts like what goes on during the day. Maybe just go back to being a simple theme park instead of showboating with the biggest and baddest of everything. You're right, there are some who bring very small children into haunt, which is wrong. You can't fix stupid.

I had reservations about Knievel day, but it turned out to be one of the best days I ever worked. Bikers in general are not troublemakers and it brought a group that otherwise probably wouldn't have come to the park. We got lucky-if he had wrecked, that would have been a totally different experience. Wallenda was another risk.

Removing a lot of the flats over the years I think has contributed to the current clientele. I brought my dad to the park back in 2007, and it was sad to me to hear him say that it was a different park than the one I grew up with. His exact words-"I can't believe how this has changed. There's nothing to do." The only thing we were able to do was the bumper cars and the train-and the bumper cars have been toned down so much its not worth the trouble. KI was a park that appealed to families, and now it seems they just appeal to the young rowdy crowd with the coasters. That is fine, but bring Coney Mall back to the way it was with more flats. Let there be something for the older folks to do. It's sad to me I can't enjoy the company of my parents at the park because there is nothing for them.

There will always be less than desirable members of any large crowd. The key is to not promote that behaviour with people intentionally hurting each other. I'd rather go back to San Francisco and deal with hippies than what has been around here.

[Snowman]

Windshawne, much respect to you for your honesty, Ron White couldn't put it better.

Wouldn't you say that, unfortunately this is just the direction our country is going as a whole?

Politicians from both parties and people everywhere are doing, saying and behaving in ways that couldn't have been conceived of back when the Brady's were running around our park, trying to get that friggin' drawing to dad.

I agree that it's not a good direction to go, but what's the realistic alternative for KI? I don't know either.

"I'm Drowning.... and your describing the water!" Jack Nicholson, As Good As it Gets

[windshawne]

Windshawne, much respect to you for your honesty, Ron White couldn't put it better.

Wouldn't you say that, unfortunately this is just the direction our country is going as a whole?

Politicians from both parties and people everywhere are doing, saying and behaving in ways that couldn't have been conceived of back when the Brady's were running around our park, trying to get that friggin' drawing to dad.

I agree that it's not a good direction to go, but what's the realistic alternative for KI? I don't know either.

"I'm Drowning.... and your describing the water!" Jack Nicholson, As Good As it Gets

Yes it is. I'm very upset about it too. I care about people, and dont have it in me to belittle them or screw them over for my own gain. I don't like to watch them treat each other badly either. I guess when we are inundated with it on tv, concerts, music, and amusement parks, this is what you will get unfortunately.

[BavarianBeatle]

ok... In all honesty, how many "midget wretling" fans are there in this world? And how many of them will have time to come to this event? And how many of those will be there to cause trouble? And how many people will show up drunk regardless of whether this show is there or not? There is virtually NO chance of Half Pint Brawlers causing any type of problem that would not exist anyway!

[Browntggrr]

Given the amount of people that have given information here on the drunk and disorderlies that attend these midget wrestling events, it appears quite a few.

That is, unless they are completely speculating the type of crowd and have no clue.

[Browntggrr]

I found an article on the same midget wrestlers that will be performing at KI.

http://www.dailynort...ation-1.1922358

This article mentions the questionable actions in the ring. It does not mention any crowd issues that happened during or after the event.

Everyone at the DU event "looked like they were having fun," wrote David Cao, a Weinberg freshman and one of DU's 24 pledges, in an e-mail to The Daily. He added that he heard the fraternity was going to have "K-Y Jelly midget fighting" that night, and that he was a little surprised in what he saw "considering the tame nature of the other frats' events."

"They were paid professionals and were doing a well-practiced act," Cao wrote. "There were some extreme moments, but that was part of their job."

It should be noted that this event took place at a FRATERNITY RUSH.

Now if the frat boys & college kids can control themselves, given the amount of alcohol consumed at a frat party, how can it be speculated KI's event will have crowd issues?

EDIT: another, more in-depth article, with an intresting twist:

But he’s also a shrewd businessman who knows he can’t do hardcore alone. Some of his shows are family oriented, and that’s fine with him. His performers are versatile enough to adapt.

http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2010/may/16/half-pint-brawlers-aim-high/

[The Interpreter]

And if they have adopted to a very family oriented show for the theme park, then it is the theme park I have issues with...and the trailer...advertise one thing, do another. Kind of like a table tennis match in a fountain....

To scream out WHO'S READY TO SEE A MIDGET BLEED? and then show the things shown in that trailer while knowing the actual show will be tame beyond belief brings new meaning to PR hucksterism. Not even Jeff Seibert would have done that...

[Snowman]

ok... In all honesty, how many "midget wretling" fans are there in this world? And how many of them will have time to come to this event? And how many of those will be there to cause trouble? And how many people will show up drunk regardless of whether this show is there or not? There is virtually NO chance of Half Pint Brawlers causing any type of problem that would not exist anyway!

Well put, I agree completely!

I also always hope that if any situations do raise their ugly head that there are more of us than there are of them.

If not, I hope we are at least bigger than them!

We'll find out Friday.

[Browntggrr]

And if they have adopted to a very family oriented show for the theme park, then it is the theme park I have issues with...and the trailer...advertise one thing, do another. Kind of like a table tennis match in a fountain....

To scream out WHO'S READY TO SEE A MIDGET BLEED? and then show the things shown in that trailer while knowing the actual show will be tame beyond belief brings new meaning to PR hucksterism. Not even Jeff Seibert would have done that...

You've never seen a movie trailer that led the public to believe the movie is fantastic?

In many cases, the trailer was the best part of the movie.

[74Gibson]

ok... In all honesty, how many "midget wretling" fans are there in this world? And how many of them will have time to come to this event? And how many of those will be there to cause trouble? And how many people will show up drunk regardless of whether this show is there or not? There is virtually NO chance of Half Pint Brawlers causing any type of problem that would not exist anyway!

I agree with everything but the last statement. Unfortunately, your response misses the point. It's all about the atmosphere KI is creating. Are they going to one-up themselves every year? Constantly getting more risque(insert accent mark here).

This is also not about being drunk. I'm an adult and Ilike to drink. I hold my liquor well and stay polite and behave appropriately... I hope:) I don't mind people being drunk I mind people misbehaving or annoying me.

We are talking about contributing factors. Alcohol + violence + an event promoted a ruleless = way more possibilities for problems than any of those factors occuring in isolation.

Good point BrownTigrr, I like it cuz' it proves mine. That trailer does an awesome job of making HPB look like a horribly violent and unruley show. That's what KI is promoting and it will attract some.

side note, I just had a whole group of last years 5th graders come down to say hi. I love my job!

[Browntggrr]

We are talking about contributing factors. Alcohol + violence + an event promoted a ruleless = way more possibilities for problems than any of those factors occuring in isolation.

Is that anything like: Teenagers + no parental supervision + undestructable feeling = way more possibilities for injuries due to not following ridership policies or park rules.

If both are alike, then why would the park continue to build rides risking injuries to those that can't follow the rules?

That being said, there has not been a confirmed report of crowd issues with these events. Why would an issue suddenly arise just because it is at KI?

Good point BrownTigrr, I like it cuz' it proves mine. That trailer does an awesome job of making HPB look like a horribly violent and unruley show. That's what KI is promoting and it will attract some.

Not really sure how you twisted my words to support yours. But if it makes you feel better, you are welcome!

[Coney Islander]

Is that anything like: Teenagers + no parental supervision + undestructable feeling = way more possibilities for injuries due to not following ridership policies or park rules.

If both are alike, then why would the park continue to build rides risking injuries to those that can't follow the rules?

That being said, there has not been a confirmed report of crowd issues with these events. Why would an issue suddenly arise just because it is at KI?

I vie for that. From my own experience, Kings Island's Halloween Haunt certainly has crowd issues... And bloody wrestling certainly won't make the crowd problem any lesser, no matter wether or not you consider unruly guests a problem.

Kings Island's rides are just about the safest you can get them. Most of them, there's literally no way to slide out of your restraints, no matter how hard you might try. Kings Island, to an extent, understands that when they promote reckless behavior there's a good chance they will get reckless behavior.

Many of Coney Island's rides you could easily break loose from the restraints, if you were to try. But Coney generally doesn't bring the people who would actually try for that sort of thing. Now, how is Coney Island marketed?

[LongliveKingsCobra]

This topic for the latter part of the 18 pages has made me face palm, get quite angry, and laugh at some of the stupidity. But they are opinions, and I shall respect all of them.

[muppetfan1999]

Quote from the article: " during which they simulated sex"

Oh dear god.

[Coney Islander]

Whoops! Nevermind.

Islander, quite clueless occasionally

[muppetfan1999]

http://www.dailynort...ation-1.1922358

This one. I forgot the link.

[Browntggrr]

Kings Island's rides are just about the safest you can get them. Most of them, there's literally no way to slide out of your restraints, no matter how hard you might try. Kings Island, to an extent, understands that when they promote reckless behavior there's a good chance they will get reckless behavior.

Many of Coney Island's rides you could easily break loose from the restraints, if you were to try. But Coney generally doesn't bring the people who would actually try for that sort of thing. Now, how is Coney Island marketed?

You completely missed the point.

[Coney Islander]

Then, how exactly did I misinterpret your post? I mean this in the nicest possible way... But upon further review I haven't been able to understand that post in any different way.

[Browntggrr]

In the examples Gibson and I gave, the park is taking a risk. The actual safety of KI's rides is not being questioned.

How is the wrestling event more of a risk than adding a new ride, given that there have been no reported crowd issues at a midget wrestling event, but, we hear and talk everyday of a guest at a park doing something stupid that ends up in an injury or worse?

(On a side note- if someone has the drive to do something wrong, they will accomplish the feat.)