jcgoble3 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Friday night, at the start of Holiwood Nights, they announced that they are considering the possibility of building a steel coaster in the future. While they stressed that no decision has been made yet, they want input from enthusiasts on the matter. Attendees were asked to take a short survey about it. For those enthusiasts who couldn't make it or who chose to attend CoasterMania instead, the survey is linked from http://www.holidayworld.com/clubs, where it will be available until I believe the 16th. If you haven't already, give them your input on what you want to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Thanks for the info and link; I voted for a Dive coaster, I think it would be unique for this area and fit nicely there. I would;d buy a season pass to just ride a Dive coaster often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastersRZ Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 But would such a dive coaster have such awesome fog setting like what we experienced back in December at Busch Gardens? That was still an awesome ride experience. Just you and I on the trains for Sheik`Ra, Myself on one end, you on the other, and the park in a thick fog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaiderFTW Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 I personally voted more for what I think could round out the park's lineup. It would be awesome to have a Dive Machine this close to home, but I'd rather see the park try to bridge the gaps in intensity between their rides. For instance, there's a pretty glaring gap, in my opinion, between Howler and Raven. There's not much of a stepping stone between the two, whereas at KI the kids can start in Planet Snoopy, then build their confidence with Adventure Express, Backlot Stunt Coaster, etc. Because of that, I voted for something along the lines of one of Vekoma's floorless suspended coasters, e.g. Dream Catcher at Bobbejaanland. Can you imagine one of those starting in the Thanksgiving section, climbing back into the trees and hills parallel to Voyage (though not visible from Voyage, because its foresty settings is part of why I like it) and swooping through all the terrain? It works for HW, in my mind. I have no idea what they'd theme it to, though. A second, more enthusiasty idea I had was a ride to bridge the smaller intensity gap between Legend and Voyage... I'm thinking something like Maverick, Fahrenheit, or Storm Runner. But now I'm just hyping myself up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondback96 Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 I voted for a hypercoaster, (it would fit well in HW's skyline with how photogenic they are) but I also put in the notes that whatever coaster type is chosen will fit (except 300+ ft ones). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icedripper Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Does Holiday World really have a skyline? I don't really think so. I think Cedar Point is one of the few parks (I can think of anyways) that has a true skyline...it is stunning as you are driving over the causeway with the water between the park and the road. And as far as hypercoaster goes, I think they are becoming a dime a dozen with most major parks having one. Arrow looper anyone?? And don't get me wrong, I think they are great, but they all relatively feel the same...especially now that there are quite a few of them. And if Voyage was taller, you could call it an out and back hyper. I think Jesse is right with a Dive Machine. I'm sure they all feel the same too, but with only 2 in the US, it definitely would be unique, especially for the midwest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icedripper Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 A second, more enthusiasty idea I had was a ride to bridge the smaller intensity gap between Legend and Voyage... I'm thinking something like Maverick, Fahrenheit, or Storm Runner. But now I'm just hyping myself up. Many of the reports about Cheetah Hunt are that it is not intense at all and more family oriented. A tame multi launch like that would bridge the gap nicely between Howler and Raven. Although I believe I remember reading somewhere (coasterbuzz maybe?) that Will Koch said that they would never work with Intamin again because of problems with pilgrims plunge (this may not be accurate at all). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. America Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 I'd rather see them buy four prototype rides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icedripper Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 I'd rather see them buy four prototype rides. yeah, exactly. In the survey, that's basically what I told them not to get. Under the comments section I wrote something about a proven technology with minimal downtime. I would be shocked if they got a steel prototype...wood on the other hand, I could see them doing it. Especially if gravity kraft is involved. The timberliners I suppose were a prototype that was suppose to debut at Holiday World. Who knows...maybe gravity kraft has a launched wood coaster up their sleeve... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DropZone99 Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 I told them I'd love a big steel coaster that's out of control, has airtime, and speed. Also mentioned how HW has three of the best woodies, and now it's time to get THE BEST steel coaster! Let's hope this happens soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyGuy4KI Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 What I suggested was a launch coaster similar to Maverick starting with the power of the second launch,but without the inversions. I also recommended no OTSR's, and with no inversions that should not be unreasonable. I do not think they should start with an inverted coaster and as long as they do not do compact steel like Indiana Beach's 3 steel coasters, then anything will be pretty unique. I wish B & M had a launch coaster! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotag Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 while i am a fan of the woodies alot more, i mentioned that my fav. is mindbender @ sfog & favor more the steal terrain; but for the purpose of fitting the park better, i told them i think a Gerstlauer Euro-Fighter would fit better as those can be themed really well (just look @ Dollywood with Mystery Mine). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DegenRider Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Eurofighter or other small compact looping coaster would be perfect for the park. the GP wants loops. Santa's Sleigh maybe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyGuy4KI Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 while i am a fan of the woodies alot more, i mentioned that my fav. is mindbender @ sfog & favor more the steal terrain; but for the purpose of fitting the park better, i told them i think a Gerstlauer Euro-Fighter would fit better as those can be themed really well (just look @ Dollywood with Mystery Mine). Although it looks like a great ride, I don't see a mine coaster being that big of a boost for attendance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerRider Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 Does Holiday World really have a skyline? I don't really think so. I think Cedar Point is one of the few parks (I can think of anyways) that has a true skyline.. Kings Island has a least 2 skylines. One on international street, and one in Coney Mall. But in all seriousness, I believe it is fair to say Kings Island has a true Skyline. They have 3 structures over 300ft. Also, Diamondback is easily seen from down the road. Parks like Kings Dominon also have a true Skyline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkroz Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 What I suggested was a launch coaster similar to Maverick starting with the power of the second launch,but without the inversions. I also recommended no OTSR's, and with no inversions that should not be unreasonable. I do not think they should start with an inverted coaster and as long as they do not do compact steel like Indiana Beach's 3 steel coasters, then anything will be pretty unique. I wish B & M had a launch coaster! Gah, wouldn't it be nice if B&M had a launch coaster? Maybe I'm way off here, but nowadays, I think that OTSR have little to do with the presence or lack of inversions. After all, there are plenty of inverting rides with lap bars (see, Flight of Fear, Son of Beast 1.0, Dare Devil Dive). So it's obvious that they aren't automatically necessary whenever a ride has an inversion. It appears that it has little to do with speed either, since Top Thrill Dragster doesn't have them. I'm not really sure who decides what requires OTSR, but I feel like it has something more to do with rides that make you lift out of your seat. Centripetal force would make it a challenge to wiggle yourself out from under Maverick's lap bar while going through the inversions, but there are plenty of moments of airtime that make the otherwise seemingly-redundant OTSR a nice idea... But I do not know, because rides like Diamondback don't have them either, and they're entirely airtime... Anyone have a better inside look? I'm not too worried. As the product tends to become more and more rider-friendly, OTSR are becoming somewhat less obnoxious. Compare Vortex's to Maverick's to Intimidator 305's, for example... It's on the up-and-up if you will. Many people prefer to not have them from a comfort point of view, but I suppose they're there for a reason, and at least they innovate to make them bearable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaiderFTW Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 ^ Purely speculation, but I'd guess insurance costs are a factor somehow. Then again, I don't know much on the subject. By the by, Hulk's launch system was done by Premier. B&M themselves still have yet to make their own launched coaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotag Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 while i am a fan of the woodies alot more, i mentioned that my fav. is mindbender @ sfog & favor more the steal terrain; but for the purpose of fitting the park better, i told them i think a Gerstlauer Euro-Fighter would fit better as those can be themed really well (just look @ Dollywood with Mystery Mine). Although it looks like a great ride, I don't see a mine coaster being that big of a boost for attendance. you can theme almost anything. the room they have for expansion is over by pilgrims plunge, you could theme it to Indians & the settlers, or create another holiday section & theme it to that. just because something has been done before doesn't mean you have to make a duplicate of it, its called freedom of expression which is how you can have a certain type of thing, but make it appear in multiple forms. (ex: one might see a rustic wagon wheel, another may take that & turn it into a stand for a mailbox.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyGuy4KI Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 What I suggested was a launch coaster similar to Maverick starting with the power of the second launch,but without the inversions. I also recommended no OTSR's, and with no inversions that should not be unreasonable. I do not think they should start with an inverted coaster and as long as they do not do compact steel like Indiana Beach's 3 steel coasters, then anything will be pretty unique. I wish B & M had a launch coaster! Gah, wouldn't it be nice if B&M had a launch coaster? I guess I should have worded my statement more clearly. If you look on the B&M website they do not advertise a launch coaster in their lineup of products. http://www.bolliger-mabillard.com/products/products_en.aspx That is what I was basing my statement on. while i am a fan of the woodies alot more, i mentioned that my fav. is mindbender @ sfog & favor more the steal terrain; but for the purpose of fitting the park better, i told them i think a Gerstlauer Euro-Fighter would fit better as those can be themed really well (just look @ Dollywood with Mystery Mine). Although it looks like a great ride, I don't see a mine coaster being that big of a boost for attendance. you can theme almost anything. the room they have for expansion is over by pilgrims plunge, you could theme it to Indians & the settlers, or create another holiday section & theme it to that. just because something has been done before doesn't mean you have to make a duplicate of it, its called freedom of expression which is how you can have a certain type of thing, but make it appear in multiple forms. (ex: one might see a rustic wagon wheel, another may take that & turn it into a stand for a mailbox.) I know what you are saying, but in my opinion if they want the ride to boost park attendance a mine coaster is not going to bring in droves of people like a DB or a Maverick coaster. With the budget they might be working with, a mine coaster might be the most bang for their buck who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondback96 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I just came up with this ides: What if B&M made a coaster that started off as a hypercoaster, then after a MCBR or second lift hill, it changes into a coaster with inversions? I think a ride like that at HW would combine the best of both coasters while being unique (and smoother than Vortex too!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondback FOF Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I'm not sure where I got this from, but the typical trains on B&M's hypercoasters can't go through inversions due to the way they're designed. So they'd have to design new trains (which obviously can be done haha). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyGuy4KI Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I'm not sure where I got this from, but the typical trains on B&M's hypercoasters can't go through inversions due to the way they're designed. So they'd have to design new trains (which obviously can be done haha). I am a little confused by your statement. Do you not think their current inversion trains would be able to take the speed of a 200ft drop? I would think their currently designed inversion trains would work unless they are not designed for the faster hyper coaster drops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondback FOF Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I don't see why that wouldn't work. I think I was thinking the first half being exactly like their current hypercoasters, trains included....idk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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