Magm&MForce24/7 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 I doubt the trains too close together..... Diamondback is probably one of the roller coasters that has the most distance between trains in the brake run. Have you seen the distance between the 2nd and 3rd train when trains are stack? The transfer track isn't even being used to park a train where it easily could. And if the ride was having "near-misses" the ride probably wouldn't of been running if that was the issue and they knew it. Maybe they were checking the slabs to make sure Diamondback isn't sinking like Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huskerchad Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Diamondback definitely ran on Sunday, June 3. I rode it 5 times (I think) for ERT and then another time later in the day with about a 30 min wait for the front seat. As we exited from that last ride, all of the turnstyles had been opened and were mostly full, but the line had been cut off. I don't know why, because the cars were still running.Some people had lined up outside the area where it had been cut off as well. We weren't planning to ride again that day anyway so I never saw what happened after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shyflyer Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Yeah, I'm not sure who she heard it from or what their credibility is. I mean is it possible that they were dispatched to early, and two trains were in the same block? I have no idea though, so you're probably right. Sucks that its down though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntggrr Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 ^ The issue you explained is certainly a safety issue & would have been present before & after the pre-Memorial Day weekend downtime thus it would have been already fixed prior to the current downtime. In a nutshell- The trains being too close may have been an issue, but I doubt it is why DB is currently down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beastrider97 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 When I went on Saturday, they launched our train when I could see the one in front of us cresting the 3rd hill. It was the closest I have ever seen a train launch to the one in front of it. I'm sure that it can't be much of a problem. I would think that the train on the course would get to the MCBR by the time the one I was on had left the lift chain, if not, the lift would stop and everything would be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shyflyer Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 Hmm....I'll ask my sister about it later, see if she knows anything else that might be more realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jr for Birdy Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 I always thought a train had to be across MCBR before the next could start on DB, just from what i see,i dont know the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcgoble3 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 I would assume it could be dispatched before then, just that it can't go over the lift hill until then (meaning that the train would stop on the lift hill temporarily if that occurred). In other words, I assume that the lift hill is a block of its own. meaning that a train loaded and checked ultra-quickly must only wait until the previous train has cleared the lift hill. Sometimes I've seen this happen in a power hour, where all ride-ops give the thumbs-up signal and the driver announces "train locked, five seconds" and then only gives "all clear" a few seconds later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveWorldEmperor Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 I was at the park yesterday and i saw a cement truck parked over by the first helix and the MCBR. I didn't see where he was pouring, but maybe it has something to do with one of the footers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KI FANATIC 37 Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 From all these replies about the area by the first helix, I bet that is where they are working/problem may have occurred.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowman Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 From what I saw that main support for the photo helix has a main cement slab where the pipes come out. Then there are four slabs on each side about at ground level. The one that is south of the support( the one that's farthest from the station) is where the guy was walking around with a pole. The grass was gone around that slab as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondbill Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 I rode the train this morning and could see a lot of excavating by the first helix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outdoor Man Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 sounds pretty "routine" to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOF1996 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Yeah, I'm not sure who she heard it from or what their credibility is. I mean is it possible that they were dispatched to early, and two trains were in the same block? I have no idea though, so you're probably right. Sucks that its down though. ^ The issue you explained is certainly a safety issue & would have been present before & after the pre-Memorial Day weekend downtime thus it would have been already fixed prior to the current downtime. In a nutshell- The trains being too close may have been an issue, but I doubt it is why DB is currently down. I would assume it could be dispatched before then, just that it can't go over the lift hill until then (meaning that the train would stop on the lift hill temporarily if that occurred). In other words, I assume that the lift hill is a block of its own. meaning that a train loaded and checked ultra-quickly must only wait until the previous train has cleared the lift hill. Sometimes I've seen this happen in a power hour, where all ride-ops give the thumbs-up signal and the driver announces "train locked, five seconds" and then only gives "all clear" a few seconds later. jcgoble3 is correct. In blocks as a train heads forward, the block ahead of the train in it's current position must be clear. Therefore, if a train hasn't reached the block after the lift hill, the train leaving the station would stop at the end of the block on the lift. This goes with any and all blocks on Diamondback. That blocks wouldn't be a reason to take Diamondback down for routine maintenance for a week. Sensors would need replaced, but I'm fairly sure they have some on site that would be easily replaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongliveKingsCobra Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 ..oops. Please Delete! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderbeast1968 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 So, Diamondback was running on Saturday/Sunday, so it could have not been a mechanical issue, or it would of not ran the weekend. Like Shyflyer said, it must of been a computer issue/program, or it wouldn't of run at all this past weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahank Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 For the record, only Invertigo and Diamondback were down today. WindSeeker, Delirium, etc. ran smoothly all day. Perhaps Kings Island isn't having an off year just an off start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jr for Birdy Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 From everything im reading on here,it sounds like they knew they needed to pour concrete, a good reason to shut DB down for 5 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOF1996 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 So, Diamondback was running on Saturday/Sunday, so it could have not been a mechanical issue, or it would of not ran the weekend. Like Shyflyer said, it must of been a computer issue/program, or it wouldn't of run at all this past weekend. Not necessarily true, as many people have said in this thread, they could have detected the issue early on, made a band-aid fix to get it through the first heavy weekend attendance with opening weekend, school just getting out, music in the parks, etc. But like you said, it could be a computer or program issue. Those who know for sure won't say and many will speculate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jr for Birdy Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 EXCAVATING AND CONCRETE TRUCKS have nothing to do with computer and program issues! If they said DB is going to be down for 5 days,this is probably the time they need for the concrete to cure to the strength where they feel comfortable to run DB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCrypt Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 In response to earlier flat "hate" (I hate to call it that, but it's the only fitting word at mind right now), those small flats are really fun. I go on Zephyr, Shake Rattle and Roll, Scrambler, etc every time I go, and always have a great time. Sure, they don't match the magnitude of the larger rides, like The Beast, but they still have an element of fun (especially with friends--On the Scrambler, my friends and I always gang up on the kid unfortunate enough to sit on the outside seat and squish 'em! ). I think that if they added something like Wheel of Fortune, The Flying Eagles, etc, they will be a big hit, as they were really popular at the park. Something that I feel neeeeds to be mentioned: The Crypt is not SBNO! The Crypt has been scrapped like WildCat, Son of Beast's loop, Bavarian Beetle, [screamin'] Demon, etc! I find it questionable about the structural footings of Diamondback... Did something change how the concrete was made or something? Because older rides like Adventure Express haven't had the concrete problems (to the best of my knowledge), so are all the concrete footings under review or something? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shyflyer Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 FOF1996- Oh that makes sense! ( I'm sorry I keep bringing this up, I'll let it drop after this ) but since it's computer programmed, couldn't the computers be telling ride-ops the trains are out of a certain block when they're really not? Seeing as several people have seen people examining footers and pouring concrete it is most likely that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOF1996 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Shyflyer, that is very possible. It did that when I worked there....usually a reset of the system takes care of that though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shyflyer Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 FOF1996 Oh I see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIfan1980 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 In response to earlier flat "hate" (I hate to call it that, but it's the only fitting word at mind right now), those small flats are really fun. Where exactly did you see flat "hate" in this thread? As for the concrete work - it is possible that a footing may have a problem, but likely not due to a concrete problem, but a problem with the soil underneath. Recall on WindSeeker, they buried piles (which are a foundation element that transfers load down to bedrock usually). I'd doubt that piles were used under every footing (I don't know, I'm guessing some might, but all don't), which means the footings sit on compacted soil which was expected to be suitable for the loads. If something happened and that soil settled or was undercut by something like water, a repair might be necessary - they could be repouring a footing or the equivalent of slab-jacking a footing by pumping concrete into a void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windshawne Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 In response to earlier flat "hate" (I hate to call it that, but it's the only fitting word at mind right now), those small flats are really fun. Where exactly did you see flat "hate" in this thread? As for the concrete work - it is possible that a footing may have a problem, but likely not due to a concrete problem, but a problem with the soil underneath. Recall on WindSeeker, they buried piles (which are a foundation element that transfers load down to bedrock usually). I'd doubt that piles were used under every footing (I don't know, I'm guessing some might, but all don't), which means the footings sit on compacted soil which was expected to be suitable for the loads. If something happened and that soil settled or was undercut by something like water, a repair might be necessary - they could be repouring a footing or the equivalent of slab-jacking a footing by pumping concrete into a void. Maybe the massive amount of rain we've had the past two years had something to do with it...that makes sense to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoaster Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Love flats, too they need more of them, also yes sounds like a footing problem but for sure not a totally simple fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKIVortex Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Defintly footer problems, anyone else notice the access road underneath Diamondback? It's in bad shape as well, parts of it has collapsed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shyflyer Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Yeah, asked my sister about it again, it's the footer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HWBeast1039 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Call me crazy, but maybe the back part of Diamondback is built over an unstable sinkhole, and it really IS starting to sink. In school, we've learned about people building their houses in areas with heavy karst artivity and end up losing their houses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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