TTD-120-420 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Toll booth employee at Busch Gardens Williamsburg charged with a felony for giving out free parking. http://hamptonroads.com/2013/11/busch-gardens-employee-charged-embezzlement 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcgoble3 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Idiot. (not a one-word post) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KI-ORIG-EMP Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Theft is theft. It does not matter if you give a friend a discount that they are not entitled or a free soft drink to giving away parking passes like this. They have committed a breach of trust and they will loose their jobs and in this case, arrested. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 I'm sorry, KI-ORIG-EMP, I missed the part about a trial and conviction or a guilty plea. Perhaps you could point it out to me. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KI-ORIG-EMP Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Terpy, I stated neither. This worker was arrested and charged with a felony. This worker gave away parking passes that he was not authorized to do and that is a crime and the worker was arrested and charged for it. If any worker gives away any item, be it a free soft drink, hot dog or a discount of any sort that they are not authorized to do, that is a breach of trust and the employer would consider it a form of theft and the worker dismissed for cause if discovered. Any employee that handles money as part of their job is taught to be honest and that any type of giving away the company's product is a form of theft and you would be dismissed. That is the same at any area of employment. It would be the same if I was working the sales window and gave away 100 season passes. I would be charged with giving away over $9,000 worth of Kings Island season passes. I would loose my job and be arrested and sent to jail awaiting trial. It is the same with this worker. That is a breach of trust, be it worth $3 or over 3,000 in the case of this worker. It has happen here and in this case, at Busch Gardens. So it does not matter if they stole $3 for a soft drink by giving it away or over $3,000 in parking passes. Theft is theft. As for the penalty, it will be carried out when a jury finds them guilty, just like it happen here several years ago when an employee was charged and found guilty of embezzlement. The opinion that I gave is correct. Any type of theft is a breach of trust and any employer has the right to terminate your employment immediately and if warranted in this case, also arrested and charged with felony embezzlement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malem Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 ^ The issue is that you're speaking as if you know he committed the alleged crime, when at this point he has only been charged. Defendants in ongoing criminal matters are presumed innocent.The worker allegedly gave away parking passes that he was not authorized to. A penalty will be carried out if he is found guilty of a crime. (Or if he pleads guilty.) Each criminal case is unique. Guilt in one case does not imply guilt in a completely unrelated case. The specific crime(s) (if any) he is guilty of have yet to be determined. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcgoble3 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 This worker gave away parking passes that he was not authorized to do Error: Finding of guilt not found. [A]bort, [R]etry, gnore? EDIT: What malem said. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KI-ORIG-EMP Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 I am clearly stating what was said in the article. This worker was arrested and charged with felony embezzlement for giving away parking passes that he was not authorized to. In no way did I state that this person has been found guilty of anything, just charged and arrested. When a person is arrested, it is because you have been accused of doing something criminal. As was the case with this. That is all I stated. I gave the analogy of giving away a soft drink or giving a discount to a person when you were not authorized to do as committing a form of theft. And any form of theft is by definition a breach of trust. Any employee is subject to termination and or legal action taken against you if you give away a product of any sort. That is in our handbook at KI and at any place you would be employed at. The employer does not have to have you arrested and charged and convicted before they terminate your employment, unless the accusation warrants it. I felt that I did not have to respond to the topic with a detailed paragraph when two lines would do. I stand by what I said when this worker was charged and arrested after giving away 126 parking passes. Being charged and arrested is by definition being accused of a crime, which in this case is giving away 126 parking passes. Now his fate is up to the jury when a trial date is set and convened. Now if you feel that I have this worker already convicted of this crime, then this worker being called an idiot by a user, this user has found him to be an idiot without a finding of fact. As far as I am concerned, I gave my opinion and am done with commenting further on this topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcgoble3 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 I did not say who was an idiot. For all you know, it could be an off-topic comment. The idiot could be the worker, if he is found or pleads guilty. If he is found not guilty, it could be someone who screwed up the investigation. If there isn't an idiot involved in the case, then the idiot could be the troll that I just banned on Wookieepedia or some random guy on Facebook that said something I didn't agree with. It could be anyone, whether connected to the case or not. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 So, KI-ORIG-EMP, if you are arrested tomorrow and charged with stealing 126 dogs...you HAVE NO problem with people posting here and others saying behind your back: "This man took 126 dogs that he was not authorized to do." Errors happen. Innocent people ARE wrongfully accused. Allegedly is not just a high priced word. An indictment is NOT evidence of guilt. Yet you are more than willing to tar a guy's reputation because, you claim, you didn't feel like typing much. Yet you typed a long first post AND TWO lengthy replies dancing all around the issue. Rather than admitting you presume guilt, you lecture about brevity--just as some potential jurors will give the perceived "correct" answer during voir dire (questioning of the potential jurors) so they can, they hope, be selected and vote their pre-conceived notions and biases. Some others, otherwise good people, are telling whatever tale they must to NOT be selected. I don't buy it. You appear to have assumed guilt. If I'm ever accused of a crime, I pray to the Almighty and all that is judicial that the likes of you don't end up on the jury (The police arrested him..he MUST be guilty). 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedevariouseffect Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 I was temporarily restrained and put in a cop car because I had tinted windows and was dropping off supplies to a client...They thought drugs.. Totally innocent though..was a clients computer my business fixed... I let people have the benefit of the doubt originally. Until either peers or in best scenario a Judge rules, I won't assume anything. I'm not a law person, I don't know all the rules, statutes, ect. Let the people who have trained and accredited to do this kind of thing. I'm medical, I'll talk all day in that jargon, but law stuff, I'll hire someone to help me do that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Picard Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 This happens a lot at some parks, you just don't see it publicized. The way I understand, they are taking the parking money and it goes in pocket, shoes or special place. Then they give free parking so they are not off at the end of the day. I know of one case of this in Orlando of a guy taking over 30k that they knew about. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Which explains Six Flags' experiments with automated toll taking at Great Adventure. At up to $35 a vehicle and barely over minimum wage, the temptation is just too much for some. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrill_Biscuit Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 The word "alleged" is your friend. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollerNut Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 So, KI-ORIG-EMP, if you are arrested tomorrow and charged with stealing 126 dogs...you HAVE NO problem with people posting here and others saying behind your back: "This man took 126 dogs that he was not authorized to do." Errors happen. Innocent people ARE wrongfully accursed. Allegedly is not just a high priced word. An indictment is NOT evidence of guilt. Yet you are more than willing to tar a guy's reputation because, you claim, you didn't feel like typing much. Yet you typed a long first post AND TWO lengthy replies dancing all around the issue. Rather than admitting you presume guilt, you lecture about brevity--just as some potential jurors will give the perceived "correct" answer during voir dire (questioning of the potential jurors) so they can, they hope, be selected and vote their pre-conceived notions and biases. Some others, otherwise good people, are telling whatever tale they must to NOT be selected. I don't buy it. You appear to have assumed guilt. If I'm ever accused of a crime, I pray to the Almighty and all that is judicial that the likes of you don't end up on the jury (The police arrested him..he MUST be guilty). People gossip, on forums, on the street, in there house. This is what happens when news is reported. People form a opinion of someone they do not know personally then assume they are correct. Fact is, he is correct. If you are accused of theft, they Will Most likely fire you even if you are falsely accused. They can fire you for being pregnant in some states then cover the truth with something else. No one isb100% honest. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 As to employers , I am reminded of one of my labor lawyer friends' favorite sayings: They can do whatever they want, provided they can get by with it, and they can get by with it, most of the time. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KI-ORIG-EMP Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 I was not the poster that first started this topic. TTD 120 140 started this topic by stating: Toll booth employee at Busch Gardens Williamsburg charged with a felony for giving out free parking and then giving the link, which mention the person's name and his charge of what he is accused of. I then responded after the first responder call him an idiot in their one word reply. I said what theft is and it does not matter what it is, from something as little as giving out a free soft drink to giving out parking passes, they are all forms of theft. Then in this case, it is enough cause for the person to be arrested for. That is all I said. The park does not have to have a person convicted of any type of theft before they fire them. If as Terpy said, "If I had been arrested for stealing 126 dogs from here," it would had been like in this article, what the reporter had gathered from the police report. Terpy would had started the topic just as this topic was started with a link to that news article. But rather than others commenting on this topic as it was started, they took issue with ME as if I had this person already convicted. The first reply to this topic just had one word in their reply, idiot, which seemed to fit that case. I then replied with what a theft is and if it warrants it a person is arrested, as in this case. The nature of being arrested is a charge that then must be proven in a court of a law. The news articled that was linked stated the charge, the amount of the items the person named is accused of stealing. Like I stated above, rather than others giving their general comments on this topic, the topic seems to be that it was ME that stated this guy was guilty and I became the topic of this discussion. It is one thing in a funny kind of way to kid me after I commented (I was one of many) on the firing of Dusty Baker and how I would save the Reds money if I was named manager, but to comment in a perceived negative fashion on this topic is going to far, IN MY HONEST OPINION. If that is the case, I am done with giving my input on any topic on this board. I can now see why there are lots of users that are members but do not engage in any topics on this board and why active members are no longer active on this board. I guess I will now joint their ranks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrill_Biscuit Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Some of the wild swings in tone on here make me wonder if certain people have had their accounts hacked. Some things seem way out of character, if not outside the original perception of maturity. I guess the whole world's kinda headed that way, too. The magic is gone. Sad. Peace. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XGatorHead 8904 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 During my time with the park, I was involved in several investigations of alledged theft (starting and/or doing the investigating, not being the accused myself). In the first one I discovered, the girl was convicted and did some time in jail. A couple of years later, I happened to see her at a party. She walked up to me and, very snidely, said "Thanks for the jail time," and walked away. I yelled after her "You're welcome!" with a big smile on my face. She turned around and just gave me this glare of death (the old saying "If looks could kill" definitely applied), and all I could do was laugh. That incident still brings a smile to my face to this day. She did come up with a rather ingenious way of theft, but she got over-confident. It was pure luck that I noticed something that didn't add up in her sales one day, and she didn't expect anyone to dig as deeply into the sales reports as I did. She has no one to blame but herself. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB1 Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Moral of the story: You steal, it's bad, you are more than likely going to have jail time. In kindergarten I vaguely remember hearing my teacher say " Don't take what isn't yours", obviously some people missed the memo. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrill_Biscuit Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 OJ Simpson is in jail. He is a convicted criminal. Unrelated to the purpose thereof, it's interesting to note that he yet remains officially liable for damages to the families of, but is officially still not guilty of the murders of Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman. The justice system is a complex thing sometimes, especially in the world of the 24-hour news cycle. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollerNut Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Two different standards for civil and criminal trials. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrill_Biscuit Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 ...and yet another one for public opinion. Double, in some cases. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawnofthedead Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 With all the money that the parks get from you, payiing for parking is ridiculous, seeing how they never pave it (KI), its hard for me to hate on this kid. Personally I feel like he should be fired no felony charged. Technically is it stealing but come on, kinda petty to try and convict for this. I think hes dumb for doing it but I also think the punishment should fit the crime. IMO of couse and im sure Bucsh Gardens will make an example of him, which is what this is really about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Criminal prosecutions are done by the Commonwealth of Virginia in this case, not SeaWorld Parks, the owner of Busch Gardens. Parking fees are part of revenue raised by the park. I may not like JPMorganChase's interest rates. That doesn't mean that if I work there I can help myself to the till (unless I am the Chairman/CEO and my board friends let me). 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawnofthedead Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Yea but if Seaworld parks chooses to not press or press charges, does that not affect wheither or not the Commonwealth of Virgina prosecutes? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Not necessarily. The Commonwealth can prosecute, or not prosecute, who it chooses. I cannot imagine why SeaWorld would not cooperate with the prosecution in this matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCrypt Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 With all the money that the parks get from you, payiing for parking is ridiculous, seeing how they never pave it (KI), its hard for me to hate on this kid. Personally I feel like he should be fired no felony charged. Technically is it stealing but come on, kinda petty to try and convict for this. I think hes dumb for doing it but I also think the punishment should fit the crime. IMO of couse and im sure Bucsh Gardens will make an example of him, which is what this is really about.You can't pick and choose who the rules apply to. Whether you're 10 seconds late to class or 30 seconds, you're still late. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoraX Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 With all the money that the parks get from you, payiing for parking is ridiculous, seeing how they never pave it (KI), its hard for me to hate on this kid. Personally I feel like he should be fired no felony charged. Technically is it stealing but come on, kinda petty to try and convict for this. I think hes dumb for doing it but I also think the punishment should fit the crime. IMO of couse and im sure Bucsh Gardens will make an example of him, which is what this is really about. The kid has not been convicted therefore he may not be dumb. He may have been in the wrong place at the wrong time, he could be set up, he could be framed. Perhaps he is ignorant and just did not understand, perhaps he truly did steal the money. As for the time being, he is innocent. Perhaps he is the scapegoat. How can someone justify it being okay to steal?! Really? Parking is expensive, however, it is not so extreme people will not pay it. Paying for parking adds income into the parks budget. It helps pay for roads to be paved (I agree with one post about the lack of that at KI). It helps pay for jobs. If you take that money, it will do one or all of three things. It keeps people from getting jobs, losing jobs because the income was lost or no raises/cut in hours. General improvements and upkeep of property would suffer at some point. Plus, that loss of income will eventually be passed on to the consumer which means another increase in parking. While some may think that the park is bringing in money hand over fist, it is their money. Since it is their money, I ( or anyone else) does not have a right to steal it regardless of how much money they generate. They have to pay employees, utility bills, insurance, maintenance, upkeep of property, training, cleaning crews, etc. they pay for new rides to be built as well. What does not belong to you simply does not belong to you. If you have $10. I have $0. I take that $10 from you because you have more money than me is that okay? I can justify it that you have more money than me and I make less than you, maybe I need gas in the car and bread. Does that make it acceptable for me to take it from you? No. I don't see how it can be acceptable to steal from a company and not another individual. Theft is also illegal. He should be punished IF he did it. He should be tried if they suspect it. If they suspect it, he should lose his job. If they find out he is innocent of stealing that money, there is possibly enough doubt in other areas to not hire him again. And last but not least, if he did steal the money, chances are he would have stolen much more than what they suspect him of. He would have taken a dollar or two here and there to test the waters, then three or four bucks here and there. Thieves typically do not start out full force to see how much they can get. (I used to be an auditor in a company with several retail locations, we were taught how to steal essentially, how to watch for it, how it is easily done, how it can be hid, red flags to watch out for, etc.) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrill_Biscuit Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Sounds like he was just trying to "be nice"1 and let some people enjoy some economic relief at the expense of others1. I mean, they're a huge company, they have lots o' money. "No one's going to notice a little bit missing", and besides, the people are happier for getting what they would otherwise have had to have worked for.... for free.... must feel good for someone to be liked for ... giving them a break1.... hmmmm I have now reached the wall that is the TOS. 1 "allegedly" 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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