Adventuro Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I have been seeing a lot of comments on Kings Island's Facebook page saying "Kings Island will be the next Cedar Point". Personally in a way I think this is true. What do you guys think? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I certainly hope not. Kings Island needs to be its own park. Cedar Point is great. If I wanted to go there, I would and do. Kings Island is a very different park. 27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire-Beast-OF FEAR Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I've thought this for years but then I gave up. CP has the resort, the beach and many other aspects that put CP over KI not just in the Roller Coaster category. Even if KI does get more/ better coasters than CP they are still short of what makes CP the park it is. KI has it's many great aspects but in it's own way. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XjoshhyX Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I would love for us to get the sheer amount of variety that CP has fit into their park, but I don't want us to become them. I think doing our own thing at KI is the most important goal that they should have. Be a unique park and don't follow suit. I think Banshee is a good step in that direction. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevKenny Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 How about other states step their roller coaster game to Ohio's level? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Like, say, California? New Jersey? Texas? Pennsylvania? 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevKenny Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Yeah but I don't (or want to) live in any of those states, I'm going to keep my Ohio money in Ohio. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I dont live in Ohio. Never have. And yet... 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevKenny Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Hey I'm all for people spending their hard earned non-Ohio $ here in the great buckeye state 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastForever Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Hold the beach, resort, and whole "destination park" thing. The only way I want Kings Island to imitate Cedar Point would be by getting a blitz-like coaster someday, and it doesn't necessarily even need to be designed by INTAMIN either... EDIT: Oh yeah, and getting a couple of more flat rides at KI sure couldn't hurt. (And neither would a Giga, as long as it's more exciting than MIllie.) 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adventuro Posted January 21, 2014 Author Share Posted January 21, 2014 I don't think the two parks will ever be the same. But over time the popularity could shift to Kings Island. Everything that Cedar Point has is something Kings Island could one day have, except for the lake. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 At one time, KI had the necessary property for resorts (and even had one). First, Mr. Carl Lindner kept much of it. Then, Paramount Parks sold the GWL land, retaining an interest, which Cedar Fair did not purchase. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaiderFTW Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I would be very, very disappointed if Kings Island were to increase its resemblance to Cedar Point in any way. Cedar Point is great, but Kings Island is not Cedar Point. Thank goodness. The fact that Cedar Fair now has a CEO who recognizes the unique identities of each park is an immense relief to me. It's my understanding that Dorney Park and Valleyfair both have the atmosphere of a Miniature Cedar Point East and Miniature Cedar Point West, respectively, except neither has the fame from the rides that Cedar Point got through Kinzel's 1980's through 2005 leadership. Michigan's Adventure has all the charm of a parking lot, with twice as much concrete and half as many trees. The legacy Paramount Parks seemed to be headed that direction prior to 2011. Now, instead of vaguely placing rides like Dominator wherever they happen to fit, we've got rides like Gatekeeper (a coaster that "guards"/intertwines with the front gate to a park popular for its numerous coasters), Banshee (a ride whose theme plays on the removal of an existing ride with a bad reputation), and Wonder Mountain's Guardian (a ride that takes advantage of existing park infrastructure to add a new level of adventure to the park you already know and love.) It's Cedar Fair's legacy focus on great rides, but it's combined with this new sense for each park's identity. And when they aren't adding rides, they're doing things that celebrate the parks' original identities, like Kings Dominion's fortieth anniversary or the Knott's theming repairs. It's not quite the Siebert-hyped totally immersively themed amusement experiences of ten years ago. It's not quite Dollywood's year-round events. It's not quite Six Flags' "let's make a themed ride and place it where the heck ever we feel like it" personality like what can be seen at Great America. Cedar Fair's new approach has added personality that no other parks really ever really attempt these days. I like it! 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I think that CP has a handful of good rides but isn't the mecca that some like to claim it is. That's why I only go every few years. I found Gatekeeper to be extremely disappointing, by the way. I was far more interested in its restraints than the ride itself. That was just because Banshee is having the same restraints. I do, however, agree that the lake and the beach and whatnot do give it a special charm. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Maple Grove has its place: The Queen of American Watering Places. The Amazement Park. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homestar92 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I agree with TombRaiderFTW on all of his points. I can also add this. My permanent residence is in Fairfield, so Kings Island is very much my "home park". Nine months of the year, however, I spend my time in Central Ohio, smack dab halfway between Cedar Point and Kings Island. And yet, anytime people see my Vortex poster and I explain that it's my favorite, they always inform me that since I like Vortex, I "would LOVE Cedar Point because they have so many better coasters!" They always seem shocked when I tell them that, yes, I have been to Cedar Point, yes, Vortex is STILL my favorite, and no, I did not think Millennium Force or Top Thrill Dragster were really anything to write home about and that I'd prefer a lap on Adventure Express any day. When describing a typical day for me at Kings Island, nobody understands why I enjoy "some dumb magic show" more than I enjoy most of the rides (for what it's worth, if given the opportunity to trade Banshee away to get Ed Alonzo back, it would be a very difficult decision for me). I think Kings Island is more "homey" I guess, in that I can visit over and over and never get bored because there's always a way to make it fresh. Cedar Point strikes me as a once a year thrill that I would tire of rather quickly. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upstop Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I've only been to CP a handful of times in my life. It was fun, but I wasn't completely sold. I have been there in the spring and I will NEVER do that again....weather is too fickle to depend on it being a dry/warm/snow free day. Summer you deal with May flies....yummy....and huge crowds. Fall is nice. Yep....KI is my park of choice in the area. I certainly hope that it doesn't become an Amazement Park on the Rollercoast. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastForever Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I have a feeling that when I finally visit Magic Mountain someday I will be more overwhelmed than I was when I visited Cedar Point for the first time. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adventuro Posted January 21, 2014 Author Share Posted January 21, 2014 I think they're both great parks. But I never have the nastalgic feeling at CP like I do at KI. That could be because I grew up with KI and not CP. But I do think CP doesn't have the same family-fun/go multiple times pull that KI has. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevKenny Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 The lack of seagulls is what really separates the island from the point. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Great Adventure and Six Flags America also have seagulls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adventuro Posted January 21, 2014 Author Share Posted January 21, 2014 I will say that when people say that "CP has a lot better coaster" it's kind of an uneducated statement. If you actually look at facts, they aren't that far ahead. I think CP's rides are more "in your face" and therefore make it seem better. Banshee is definitely in your face, and so is Diamondback... So that's a CF era that has closed the differences gap.. Slightly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaiderFTW Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 homestar92: And I agree with all your points as well, although I do very much enjoy Millennium Force, Magnum, Gemini, and Wicked Twister. Since 2008, I've visited Kings Island something like 70+ times, and I live over an hour away. In that same amount of time, I don't think I've visited Cedar Point more than 10-15 times. It's not that CP isn't a great park; KI just has that "homey" feeling, like you said. People don't get why I'd ever prefer KI over CP when the almighty Top Thrill Dragster exists, but I do anyway. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevKenny Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Great Adventure and Six Flags America also have seagulls. And where are said parks located? This is coming from the guy who's only six flag experience was in NE Ohio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 IF Top Thrill Dragster is the ultimate reason to go to Cedar Point, may I present Kingda Ka? Magnum XL-200. Oh, how I love that ride. As for Millennium Force, go ride SFNE's Bizarro and get back to me. and Maverick. Great Adventure and Six Flags America also have seagulls.And where are said parks located? This is coming from the guy who's only six flag experience was in NE Ohio Six Flags is a registered trademark of Six Flags Entertainment Corporation. Great Adventure is New Jersey's Finest Theme Park and America's Largest Seasonal Park. Six Flags America is in Largo, Maryland, a DC suburb. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homestar92 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 IF Top Thrill Dragster is the ultimate reason to go to Cedar Point, may I present Kingda Ka? Magnum XL-200. Oh, how I love that ride. As for Millennium Force, go ride SFNE's Bizarro and get back to me. Now Magnum XL-200 IS a ride that I would write home about. People are also shocked when I inform them that I enjoyed Magnum more than Millennium Force (by a HUGE margin). I get the feeling that the height and speed stats are the only things that most non-enthusiasts see when they decide what they like in a coaster. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaiderFTW Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 ^^ Truth be told, I'd rather ride Ka. If I'm riding it, it means I'm back at Great Adventure. (Can't really say I "get" Mehverick, though. But that's a whole 'nother story.) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevKenny Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 IF Top Thrill Dragster is the ultimate reason to go to Cedar Point, may I present Kingda Ka? Magnum XL-200. Oh, how I love that ride. As for Millennium Force, go ride SFNE's Bizarro and get back to me. and Maverick. Great Adventure and Six Flags America also have seagulls.And where are said parks located? This is coming from the guy who's only six flag experience was in NE Ohio Six Flags is a registered trademark of Six Flags Entertainment Corporation. Great Adventure is New Jersey's Finest Theme Park and America's Largest Seasonal Park. Six Flags America is in Largo, Maryland, a DC suburb. I feel Six Flags should name their parks for where they are, I know they do for some, but I hate to have too look up where a park is located. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 As others say of Cedar Fair. Kings Island? Dorney Park? Worlds of Fun? Valleyfair? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire-Beast-OF FEAR Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Personally I prefer the Point over KI. I am more of a Roller Coaster kind of person and CP seems more "real". KI is a place that you know(with a few exceptions) are at most no older than the early 70's so it feels very fake and made up by a corporation in little over 40 years. CP with the Lagoons, historical architecture, beach, lake, history, and other old-timey quirks well over a century over many families and owners make CP have a real feel too it. KI is my home park and will always have that place in my life and like said before it does have more of a homey feel and a place to hang out. Probably one of my favorite moments in my entire life is when I was 11 years old and I gazed upon MF, Raptor, TTD, Mantis, and MXL200 all in the same line of sight made me feel like 5 Christmas' while seeing your favorite Rock star all at the same time. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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