Coney_man Posted December 21, 2003 Share Posted December 21, 2003 Well I've been thinking what manufacturing company will have a coaster in by 2005 or 2006. Give me some of your opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunts Rock Posted December 21, 2003 Share Posted December 21, 2003 I personally think that B&M will be the manufacturer of PKI's next coaster. I know that PKI currently has 2 coasters by Vekoma and none by B&M, but I think that B&M's track record will impress the top brass at PKI and win out. B&M has much better types of coasters as well. Floorless, flyers, great inverts, great mega coasters, and so on. I'm leaning toward one of the first three (floorless, flyer, or inverted) mainly because they have been most of the popular B&M's in the recent past. I guess we'll have to see though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted December 21, 2003 Share Posted December 21, 2003 Yeah, but they also don't have an Intamin, so don't rule them out either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted December 21, 2003 Share Posted December 21, 2003 Well Paramount has learned that Vekoma is basically just garbage. I don't forsee any Vekomas coming to PKI, but maybe another Paramount park will get one. So what this discussion really should be about is will the next coaster be an Intamin or B&M? I'd put my money on B&M if PKI was going for a safe move, but I'd bet on an Intamin if PKI was going big. It's a proven fact that B&M rides are very reliable and hardly experience any downtime. It's also proven that Intamin will go farther than any other company in the roller coaster industry. We don't know who will make PKI's newest roller coaster, but I think we already know who will design it, and that is the great Werner Stengel. :cowboy: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mars1825 Posted December 21, 2003 Share Posted December 21, 2003 Intamin is the way to go and I think that PKI realizes this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Picard Posted December 21, 2003 Share Posted December 21, 2003 I think it will be the manufacturing company that can give the most coaster for the least amount of money. I also think it maybe a manufacturing company that wants to or needs to make statement. At Viacom they like to say "we will not over pay" and that would be for a B&M or Intamin. I would look for S&S,Vekoma or Premier but you never know what they will do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunts Rock Posted December 21, 2003 Share Posted December 21, 2003 I don't see Premier doing another PKI coaster at all. All they seem to know is launched coasters and I don't see another FoF coming in. I do agree with what you said though about money. They will go for the best coaster they can get for the less money. However there are other factors that will determine it. They don't want to get a coaster that will have to be fixed from a breakdown 3 times a day. IE Vekoma. I think we'll see B&M, Intamin, or possibly, very simly S&S. Who knows, if Tsunami works, maybe they'll go for a S&S woodie Doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coney_man Posted December 21, 2003 Author Share Posted December 21, 2003 well PKI has never had a B&M flyer or an intamin Coaster. they should have both for a new area or 2 new coasters for Action Zone, could be possible :chef: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIBeast Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 Intamin seems to be leading the way in terms of building costs for their coasters. Yes, they wouldn't want to have a new coaster that breaks down three times a day, but what is not being realized is that it is bound to happen with any coaster from any manufacturer. The reason for this is simple...there's always a break-in period for any coaster and most need tweaking after opening and you always run the risk of at least a little downtime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coney_man Posted December 24, 2003 Author Share Posted December 24, 2003 they should @ least build a an intamin coaster in Action Zone or in rivertown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express44 Posted January 1, 2004 Share Posted January 1, 2004 I don't think we'll see anything go in Action Zone for awhile since there is already so much to do there. It's been widely rumored that PKI's next ride will go in Coney Mall and I can see that happening. Coaster or not, Coney is do for some sort of ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 I personally think that we will get a B&M Flyer, but I am hopeing to get an Intamin Hyper/Giga. I think Pki has a lot of great coasters but we really need one that is air time crazy. Racer is the best bet right now for air so a nice steel air machine would be welcomed by me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted January 3, 2004 Share Posted January 3, 2004 I've never ridden a flyer, but from what I hear, once the novelty wears off, it's really not that great of a ride. Personally, I'm a fan of the classic looper, but since you guys are all looking for something special, I think my vote would be for either an Intamin (simply because they're not afraid of height and their tracks look cool) and a B&M floorless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express44 Posted January 3, 2004 Share Posted January 3, 2004 I agree with Boddah, but I'll through in a B&M Speed Coaster to the mix of what PKI will possibly get in 2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldeneaglecal302 Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 A great ride out there that is outnumbered by the other B&M masterpieces is Wildfire at Silver Dollar City. That ride is awesome. It is the smoothest ride I have ever been on. When it first opened there was one rough spot after the corkscrew, but that has been smoothed out somehow. There have been rumors over the 3 years it has been open, that they will replace the Floorless with a floor trains with just plain out floorless. When in southern Missouri, my home The Ozarks (Even though I live in KC, I hate it), ride two coasters. Wildfire and Ozark Wildcat. Cal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Juan Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Well Paramount has learned that Vekoma is basically just garbage. I don't forsee any Vekomas coming to PKI, but maybe another Paramount park will get one. I'm glad you can speak for the park now. Garbage? That's funny because they are building coasters more and more each year. Oh and I'm pretty sure Reptar and Face/Off have had as much downtime as any other coaster in the park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express44 Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Doesn't everyone know that Vekoma is garbage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mars1825 Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 What Dan said was right. PKI knows that Vekoma is garbage. If they didn't then Paramount would've kept the flyers that they bought from Vekoma. Even though Vekoma is selling rides, it still doesn't mean that they are any good. They are just a cheap alternative for a B&M or Intamin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunts Rock Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Vekoma isn't even selling that many coasters. They only have 7 coasters going up for the 2004 season (BORG doesn't count, it's being relocated). The only notable ones out of those are Space Mountain and Gauntlet. I mean, who has heard of New Pleasurewood Hills and Al-Shallal Theme Park (where some Vekoma coaster are going in)? I agree that the only reason parks do buy Vekoma coasters is because they are much cheaper, well except for Expedition Everest but that includes all the landscape work too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRickster Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 The boomerang's are cool and so are the inverted boomerang's but thats about it (every park should have one and pretty much does). Borg does look awesome though. Does anyone know if itll have the same layout as Stealth or if its being tweaked? If its being tweaked who's doing the tweaking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunts Rock Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 It's not being tweaked at all, it's the same as it was when it was Stealth. As for the boomerang, I personally think they suck. They are way to rough and there are just too many of them. The super Invertigo ones (DeJa Vu, Stunt Falls) look ok but they seem to have a ton of mechanical problems. See a pattern, Vekoma, mechanical problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Picard Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 I can tell you that Vekoma is putting alot of new things into Expedition Everest. I can't tell you what they are but it's not your typical Vekoma. I think with todays technology we can't judge a coaster company on their past rides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunts Rock Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 Vekoma will be using a different track system on Expedition Everest but it isn't new for them. They just haven't used it on a large scale coaster until now, it has only been used on their smaller coasters. The rails are on the outside of the ties instead of the traditional inside the ties. But I wouldn't bet on seeing a Vekoma coaster using this system on a large scale project until after they test out Expedition Everest. It would just be too much of a risk for the company to build a second one that way without making sure the first one works right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Picard Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 The info I got on this track is the backbone is built heavy and the cross ties and rails look like intamin track. I was told it was a new track but I haven't seen it. There is more new stuff on it like the lift but I was told not to tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flightoffear1996 Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 O i like vekmas layouts better than the b&m's layouts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRickster Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Vekoma has changed a ton of things for their next few coaster fleets. They have a ttd train knockoff now (i think they couldve did ALOT better in the looks department) but the way its built and the new track is suppose to be awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Vekoma My expeirences with Vekoma rides (Face/Off,Runaway Reptar,T2 and Roller Skater) are pretty much all the same, exciting layout, very rough rides. Vekoma is being used by Disney for Expedition Everest and Universal for Revenge Of The Mummy these are the two best amusement companies, the main reason I see for it is the low cost of the track. Everest is reportedly 100 Million Dollars but Disney is known for its extensive theming, so you have theme, landscape and track to pay for. Revenge Of the Mummy is supposed to be the most extensive theming of any ride to date, that most bring a high cost. Will these rides be smooth and enjoyable, unknown, but that is pretty impressive for Vekoma to be contracted by both Universal and Disney. B&M I have only ridden Chang and I must say it is the smoothest ride I have been on, painful on your body but the tack work is very smooth. B&M is renowned for their notoriously smooth rides and are held to a high standard but the price tag on one of their rides is a huge jump from Vekoma. So if Disney or universal were to contract B&M for their new rides the cost would of been way too much. As far as Pki getting a B&M or a Vekoma I think it would only be logical for them to get a B&M since there current isn't a single B&M in the park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRickster Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 I believe this is the first non b&m coaster going into universal to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunts Rock Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Not just PKI, but I think most Paramount parks will be getting into the B&M market in the next couple years. Currently, all PKD 2005 speculation is centering around B&M and I think it's about time that Paramount invest in some good old B&M flyers and floorless coasters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Picard Posted March 1, 2004 Share Posted March 1, 2004 Vekoma will be using a different track system on Expedition Everest but it isn't new for them. They just haven't used it on a large scale coaster until now, it has only been used on their smaller coasters. The rails are on the outside of the ties instead of the traditional inside the ties. But I wouldn't bet on seeing a Vekoma coaster using this system on a large scale project until after they test out Expedition Everest. It would just be too much of a risk for the company to build a second one that way without making sure the first one works right. Where have they used this track before if it is not new? track pic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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