WooferBearATL Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 I don't think anyone is complaining about what the company does as a whole. I think that it's a shame that Kings Island or any organization that caters to crowds would have a location closed on such a busy day, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Freak Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 Are all the rides that are gong to be in NU. Will they only be the ones that are standing and also the ones that they told us about in my opion this area will not win the golden ticket this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delirium_Guy Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 And how do you know there still not going to take the bulldozer to it or add more than just basic theming to splat zone? For all you know, they might be working on it right now. No one knows all the exact details, just speculation and rumor spreading. Because that would *almost* something exciting to look forward to in Nick Universe. However, this is PKI we are talking about. Give it a new paint job, new name, and promote it as an all new attraction! Sorry, but I think Nick Universe sounds incredibly disappointing. Seeing as how wonderful the Nick Central expansion turned out at Carowinds last year, I really had high hopes for the area and the new attractions that it will be bringing in. Next thing ya know, they will announce that OUR Flight of Fear won't be opening this year either. That'd be the icing on the cake. Way to go PKI! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 I love how your all dissapointed from small knowledge and havent seen the finished product. You all need to remember that this area isnt geared towards a bunch of whiny adults hwo want to wear fanny packs and ride coasters all day, its for kids who like seeing nickolodeon charecters and spin in circles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragerunner Posted February 6, 2006 Author Share Posted February 6, 2006 CambatStupendous89: You are right, I don't have all the knowledge about the finished product. But, I do understand very well planning, construction timelines and development and if they plan on pulling off something fairly large time is running out for this year. Second, I am excited about the NU area not for me, but my young kids. I just hope they focus on the theming more than the rides. If you give the area a good 'foundation' to build from than one or two big attractions in the future can really make this area Universal like. I just hope 2 dimensional sets are not what their budget is calling good theming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 You say you understand very well planning and think KI is running out of time, dude use common sense, you dont know the exact plans, exactly what already has been completed, or exactly what else needs to be done. You dont know if KI is running out of time because you dont know what is going on there, you dont have any evidence, just some pictures off the website, how do you know those are even recent pictures? You dont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Freak Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 what happened to all the old rides from the area that they took out are they coming back ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragerunner Posted February 6, 2006 Author Share Posted February 6, 2006 The pics had to been taken within the last 20 days or so because, winterfest didn't end until Dec. 31 and some of the pics are of projects that took place after then. Second, the fly over pics that were posted on the this site were taken at the end of January and they showed no major foundation work in progress. Foundation work is a huge undertaking at this time of the year. The weather can really make it difficult to dig and pour concrete so most major projects at parks in the northern areas of the US get that out of way before Christmas. I hope you are right and I am wrong. I hope they build SpongBob, along with a great kids play area and that the theming is Disney like. I guess we have about 8 weeks or so to find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 ^Im not trying to be a jerk and I agree with a lot of the things you say, but I dont think you have enough evidence to prove a valid point that KI wont be delivering anything with quality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragerunner Posted February 6, 2006 Author Share Posted February 6, 2006 I just hope their budget and plans is still allowing them to hold to their original statement that "...we are creating the next level of family entertainment." If you want to talk the Disney and Universal talk then you have to deliver. IJ didn't do it in my opinion, but TR came really close if not all the way. I just recently move here from Florida were we had pass to Universal, Disney and Sea World and TR would not look out of place at Sea World or Universal. I guess in about 8 weeks we will see if this is a TR or IJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 When TR:TR opened, I would have agreed with you. As it has been maintained by the park and operated in the last couple of seasons, there is NO WAY that ride approaches Disney or Universal quality. The theming has NOT been maintained, the pre-show film is now abysmally poor, the eyes almost never work in the ride itself, much of the ride's operation has been sacrificed to simplify operations. I am not even sure it has maintained a Wild Adventures level of quality (and anyone who has seen the motion theater presentations at Wild Adventures knows exactly whereof I speak). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying eagles Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 think about it this way pki still has more than 2 mounths to get nu ready, and u are comparing pki witch is a seasonal park to a disney or universal witch is a full time park. The budget at universal and at disney are alot higher than pki's budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 No, it was Paramount Parks that started the comparisons with Universal and Disney, particularly through their Kings Island marketing person at the time, who loved saying that TR;TR was the first step in creating THE Disney or Universal type park in the Midwest. I am quite sure he did so, as he did everything he did, with the blessings of senior management and that Paramount Parks DID intend to become just that. But, things have happened since. The parks have been rumored to be for sale, actually put on the market, taken off the market, and now are back on the market again with a sale "expected" in the second half of 2006. There is nothing unfair about judging PKI against the impressions its own marketing people created. And yes, there are two months left. The better question is was the budget slashed, as seems to be usual any more at PKI. This is even a better question still given the pending sale of the parks, including PKI. PKI is not Coney Island of Ohio (sigh, don't get me started). When Kings Island's own people say that their goal is to become a themed entertainment showplace, they shouldn't be surprised if people believe them and expect that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragerunner Posted February 6, 2006 Author Share Posted February 6, 2006 What about if we compare it to seasonal theme parks around the world. How about Europa Park, or Alton Towers both draw less crowds but from what I have seen on these parks WOW!! Or how about Busch Gardens in Williamsburg, Darkcastle, Escape from Pompeii, there show and theming and they draw less then 3 million a year. I think the real issue is this concept that the park needs to open a new ride every year, that can get expensive. I would much prefer to see the park build a great ride every two or three years then a IJ every year. I am hoping that if Six Flags takes this approach the other parks in the US industry will feel some pressure is off to build a ride every year and focus more on maintenance, service, up keep and great rides every two or three years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying eagles Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 pki says alot of things and it doesn't happen like tomb raider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 That's where the Bush parks can teach everyone else a thing or two. Think about it! They don't have nearly the budget that say a Disney or a Universal has but they can compete and even surpass in the theming areas to a major extent. Just think about it. Even the flowers look fake at Disney World but everything is natural and nice at Bush Gardens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delirium_Guy Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 That's where the Bush parks can teach everyone else a thing or two. Think about it! They don't have nearly the budget that say a Disney or a Universal has but they can compete and even surpass in the theming areas to a major extent. Just think about it. Even the flowers look fake at Disney World but everything is natural and nice at Bush Gardens. I couldn't agree more with you. Simply put, the Busch Parks are probably some of the most beautiful that there are. Everything looks and feels like it belongs. It doesn't look thrown together and just randomly placed (see Italian Job's PERFECT location, end sarcasm). The Busch Parks may not add a new ride every year, but when they do.....they do it RIGHT. Dar Kastle is an incredible attraction....I'd even go as far to say that it IS on par with something that Disney or Universal would do. I can only dream that PKI would take their attractions to the level of detail that Busch does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 Unfortunately, it seems like PKI always tries to but there's always the layers and layers of red tape. They need to pick up Disney/Universal/Busch's attitude of, "Let's just get it done and get it done right." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollerNut Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 All our Nick area expansion was, was redoing most of the walkways, replacing a wasted space with a great ride with terrain that hides the fact that is a fair ride, the Flying Eagles, a paint job for all ride except the OddCoaster, plywood cut-outs, four fiberglass nicktoons(Dora, Boots, Flying Dutchman, and Tommy), and a kiddy boat ride. Oh, did I mention they cut down some trees in two spots, and added trees in another to add more shade to the area. Yes, I was and still impressed by the area(Mainly our screwed paintjob on the Antique Carousel that actually turned out better than I expected but they painted over small detail work.), but there are two rides that so much could have been done with. TV Land Road Trip, and Dora's Azul Adventure. I wouldn't expect more than that out of PKI because they are limited by the bugdet and the money that the other 3 PP sent them because ya'll attendance dropped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 ^Yeah ours might have dropped but I believe we still had more people and made mroe money than you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkootersFan Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 That's where the Bush parks can teach everyone else a thing or two. Bush parks? What is this, Texas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollerNut Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 ^Yeah ours might have dropped but I believe we still had more people and made mroe money than you. Yes, but Carowinds isn't located near what ya'll consider a major city. We had over 2 million, and we are increasing every year. You have about a million more than us and that number fell last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RingMaster Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 That's where the Bush parks can teach everyone else a thing or two. Bush parks? What is this, Texas? It's the two Busch Gardens parks, Skooter. There's one in Williamsburg, Virginia (which has the best themed rides)..... .....and one in Tampa Bay, Florida (which has the best roller coasters). I seriously hope Anheiser-Busch (sp?) gets a hold of the Paramount Parks....or at least Kings Island. Or whoever owns Dollywood down in Pigeon Forge. Dollywood has added something almost every year.....but they're only one theme park. Perfect example of why Busch should but the Paramount Parks......DarKastle. Remember the Amazing Adventures of Spider-Man ride at Universal? It's the same exact ride, only with a different theme. But you would have NEVER expected a parka like Busch Gardens Williamsburg to get something of that magnitude. They add ground-breaking roller coasters (Kraken, Apollo's Chariot, Gwazi, SheikRa) along with rides for the whole family (Journey to Atlantis, Pompeii, Darkastle). ...there's my two cents for the day. Didn't make much sense, did it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 ^Yeah ours might have dropped but I believe we still had more people and made mroe money than you. Yes, but Carowinds isn't located near what ya'll consider a major city. We had over 2 million, and we are increasing every year. You have about a million more than us and that number fell last year. You all have a nice park, but its nowhere near the size of Kings Island nor does it have the attendance Kings Island gets. Id like to see where you get your figures considering the parks dont even really release them. Carowinds is a kick @$$ park though, Id give anything to have Top Gun: The Jet Coaster! Ahh my favorite coaster! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 And Dollywood is not just one park. Branson's Silver Dollar City and Celebration City are owned and managed by the same group as is Dollywood... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RingMaster Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 And Dollywood is not just one park. Branson's Silver Dollar City and Celebration City are owned and managed by the same group as is Dollywood... ........Never knew that. Wonder what it would be like if that particular company wanted to have five more parks under its belt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 What would it be like? Based on what I have seen, I believe it would mean: * More and much, much better shows. * Much better food and shopping. * An emphasis on crafts, trades and demonstrations. * A commitment to wildlife and conservation. * A commitment to family principles and to morality, but not in an overly preachy way. * More intricate theming, meticulously maintained. * Higher season pass prices, lower parking prices for daily admissions. * A bit more of a unified, long-term philosophy of what the parks are about and development that is keyed to making that happen. Would the managers of Dollywood/Silver Dollar City/Celebration City be able to muster enough cash to buy Paramount Parks? Probably. Would they be interested? Somehow, I suspect the answer is no... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollerNut Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 ^Yeah ours might have dropped but I believe we still had more people and made mroe money than you. Yes, but Carowinds isn't located near what ya'll consider a major city. We had over 2 million, and we are increasing every year. You have about a million more than us and that number fell last year. We also dont slur and say "y'all". You all have a nice park, but its nowhere near the size of Kings Island nor does it have the attendance Kings Island gets. Id like to see where you get your figures considering the parks dont even really release them, oh I forgot, you worked at Hurler you know everything. Carowinds is a kick @$$ park though, Id give anything to have Top Gun: The Jet Coaster! Ahh my favorite coaster! First off, I am Southern, I ain't no Yankee. Second, it isn't a slur. It is our way of talking. I can my figures from the newspapers. "According to Amusement Business, Carowinds had 2.13 million visitors between March and January, up from 2.01 million in 2004." http://charlotte.bizjournals.com/charlotte...09/daily25.html Combat, how about laying off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastersRZ Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 Well, those numbers from Amusement Business are estimates. Highly accurate estimates, but they do not reflect the actual attendance figures for the parks. Most companies do not disclose their actual attendance figures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooferBearATL Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 First off, I am Southern, I ain't no Yankee. Second, it isn't a slur. It is our way of talking. Can't preach to a Yankee. They always think they know best. And remember, Southern By The Grace of God, Man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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