flightoffear1996 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 What keeps the Face/Off lift carry the riders over the top since the lift thing starts pulling the train about from middle of train. If there was like a computer error is there any mechincal device that keeps it going over the edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Attack! Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Well if you look at the ends of Avatar there are these little red stoppers, same with planktons plunge. I am sure that there is some type of strong buffer to stop the train. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkifootballer Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 A lock keeps them on the chain then a computer tell it to release the lock so the train drops again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoasterKrazy Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 This is just a guess, but I'll put my two cents in: As you watch the second lift hill during a cycle, you will notice that the catch-car actually begins to move before the train itself reaches the car. I would imagine either one of two things is occurring here. (1) The ride control system, through the use of sensors located throughout the course, calculates the speed of the train and the speed of the catch car mimics it, thereby reducing the jolt felt by rides as the car engages and lifts the train up the hill. (2) A more simple approach may be that the catch car moves with the same speed on each cycle. I don't imagine the differing weight of riders has much effect on the overall speed of the train, so a pre-set speed can be used effectively. Generally speaking, the catch car probably engages with the train at the same location each time, and due to physical (speed) limitations, there is a point which the catch car will not be able to pass. (Or rather, there is a point on the train that will not be able to pass the catch car) The catch car can only travel so far along the track, and therefore the train can only travel so far. There are physical barriers preventing the train from leaving the track as well, but these are surely not the only measures taken to prevent such a catastrophe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvesterofyoursorrow Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 The train guide ends before the top. There is also a block in it so the train cant go that far in case of a computer error. Normally, a proxy sensor senses the train is at the top of the hill, and it holds the train or releases it (for the second lift). I'm sure there is also a manual device that will turn off the lift if activated incase that the PLC somehow crashes and dosnt automaticly E-Stop. I dont know when that would happen, but it could...I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Just remember, nothing's impossible just improbable... I imagine the "stoppers" for Face/Off, Avatar, and Plankton's Plunge aren't really to stop the car from going off the track. Simply put, it's not designed to go that high or that far. Therefore, if there did happen to be a system glitch or some sort of physical problem in which the train or car did go higher than usual it would prevent it from grazing the end of the track and causing damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRider Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Just speaking along the same lines. I love ridding Wicked Twister in the front and watching the end of the track come closer and closer on the forward spiral. Not to mention that the stoppers on that track get bigger and bigger the closer you get to them. That ride always gives a great feeling of your going off the end of the track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flightoffear1996 Posted October 4, 2006 Author Share Posted October 4, 2006 Wicked Twister really scares me alot in the front seat for that very reason. Face/Off even scares me because of that and I was wondering what there is to prevent it from going over the edge. That is one of the reasons I usually like to ride in the middle cars. Anyway thanks for giving me some ideas on how they work that. I would hate to see that ride go over the edge pushing its riders to a sure death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasper Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 When i went back in July i rode Face/Off in the very back/front where you go up the lift and you are looking at the very end of the track and it was freaky because it felt like you were never going to stop. I only saw like a metal plate that went down over the track that kept it from going off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flightoffear1996 Posted October 4, 2006 Author Share Posted October 4, 2006 I didn't even see a metal plate. MY only thinking was maybe since it grabbed on about the 3rd car or so maybe the chain can only go say 3 or 4 car lenghts to the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOPGUN1993 Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 http://www.extremepki.com/gallery/displayi...?album=46&pos=1 You can see the bumper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flightoffear1996 Posted October 5, 2006 Author Share Posted October 5, 2006 Is it that box thing on the end your talking about? http://www.extremepki.com/gallery/displayi...album=46&pos=34 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvesterofyoursorrow Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 http://extremepki.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-1547 See where the "track" for the chain ends? The chain "flips" back to the top and travels to the other side of the track and to a gear at the bottom, then back into the track where you can see it at the base (for the first lift, the second lift goes about halfway down from the top of the spike) It is PHYSICALY impossible for the train to be hoisted past this position from the thrid car...unless gravity starts working differently, then I think the least of our worrys would be Face/Off... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flightoffear1996 Posted October 5, 2006 Author Share Posted October 5, 2006 That woudl be true but the chain connects liek 2 or 3 cars from the front car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKlockster Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 That is as high as the train goes. The only way you'd be able to get it to go higher is if you somehow got the catchcar to grab the very front car. Even then I highly doubt it would go much higher. As far as a manual device to stop the lift - if the PLC goes haywire - it will E-Stop itself. If there is nothing wrong with the PLC - but still something wrong - the operator can press the E-Stop button. Face/Off also has "Ride Stops" - just like a flat ride. It is operated in every way like a flat ride. From an operations stand point - it is not a roller coaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flightoffear1996 Posted October 5, 2006 Author Share Posted October 5, 2006 Der Kloster what I am saying is if the catch car grabbed from the frist car going up the lift then it could go off unless the catch car went off but since it grabs from like the second or thrid car it could up less high and still pull some of the trains off the edge. I under stand the E-Stop two but just saying this what if the E-Stop stuff went all heywire and what not but Is there any mechincal device that stops the train from going of the edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRider Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 Wicked Twister Stopper Heres a picture of the actual stopper at the end of the Spike on Wicked Twister that I mentioned in an earlier post. This way if you are launched with too much speed the mechancial stopper will absorb the additional force and keep the train from going over the edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flightoffear1996 Posted October 5, 2006 Author Share Posted October 5, 2006 Yea but I am not sure does Face/Off have one of those? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKlockster Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 Yeah Face/Off does have a "stopper" but its not like the stoppers on Avatar. It has a big metal thing on the end of each lift - so the rails aren't just exposed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flightoffear1996 Posted October 5, 2006 Author Share Posted October 5, 2006 Isnt that the gear box I thought that was a few feet away from the lift I'll have to look and see next time I ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKlockster Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 Whatever it is - there is a camera hanging down from it to watch the riders. It pretty much is looking straight down the lift - so whatever it is attached to is going to keep the train on the lift. Its awesome to watch the tv monitor for those cameras - especially lift 2 - where the train flies up toward it, then gets closer and closer until it starts falling away from it again. The looks on some peoples faces is hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flightoffear1996 Posted October 6, 2006 Author Share Posted October 6, 2006 LOL yea that breif moment when it lets go on hill number 2 is sweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ Kinda Guy Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 Seeing how all this is pretty much garbage, it's probably best all of you just stop posting because you have no idea what your talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matth Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 Seeing how all this is pretty much garbage, it's probably best all of you just stop posting because you have no idea what your talking about. exactly, but I would have said "you're", not "your" ..matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flightoffear1996 Posted October 6, 2006 Author Share Posted October 6, 2006 Seeing how all this is pretty much garbage, it's probably best all of you just stop posting because you have no idea what your talking about. We are just talking no one is claiming anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanky333 Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 One thing i want to know about the Face/Off design, why does everyone have the same coaster? Vekoma with Cobra Roll and Loop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bermudiballa1213 Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 you are a idiot u must not have a life to think about....... if theres was a computer error every ride would have something bad about it stupid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flightoffear1996 Posted October 20, 2006 Author Share Posted October 20, 2006 One thing i want to know about the Face/Off design, why does everyone have the same coaster? Vekoma with Cobra Roll and Loop? its cloned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKlockster Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 Its the boomerang - Vekomas most mainstream design. Theres the Boomerang, Invertigo and Super-Invertigo. They all are coaster like flat rides featuring two lift hills, a cobra roll and a loop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 That woudl be true but the chain connects liek 2 or 3 cars from the front car. The chain is only allowed to go so far, not by a computer, but by how it physically is made. Theres less computer involved than you thing, there is physical restraint on the catch car and "chain" so that it never could pull the cars off the edge and say you removed those safe guards and let the chain pull forever, the trains would be stopped at the top, the track just doesnt end into nothingness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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