Shaggy

I know... but I’ll keep that to myself for a later time. Can’t give it all away at once, you know... lol

I agree. While it remains to be seen what will happen to the site, something WILL happen. And although there may not be an actual firm "plan", there's likely at least ideas being tossed around. As a former (P)KI official once told me "Areas of a park are viewed in terms of real estate. If a parcel of land has a low-producing or aging attraction, we begin mulling the viability of using that land for a future installation - and then may choose to ready the site for a new attraction." Fiscal planning and guest satisfaction surveys will likely help determine how quickly it happens.... but I guarantee you there's already an intent to use the space for something else they can market in the future. BTW, before "The Bat" was ever demolished, the park began looking at other options for the land. At the time it was demolished, the park then sent David Focke on a trial expedition overseas to solicit and test new coaster possibilities. Remember - this was happening at the very same time King Cobra was being added. (KC opened in 1984 - that following November the park announced demolition of "The Bat". Vortex opened in spring 1987.) The park already knew they wanted a high-thrill coaster to take The Bat's place before they even began looking at specific manufacturers and types. There were at least 3 different manufacturer proposals for the site - and ultimately KI chose to work with Arrow again in order to design and develop Vortex. I'm excited to see what the eventual outcome of Vortex's removal will be... but for now I'm more excited to take rides on Orion. In these insane social media days of "I want to be the first to know" or "I want to be the first to tell" the park isn't about to breathe a word of future intentions to anyone not directly involved. Whatever comes of The Vortex land vacancy, I selfishly don't want to hear about it via "leaked" blueprints. That just spoils the fun and speculation for me - and just isn't a nice thing to do to the park. Shaggy

I’d almost be willing to bet they’ll remove the turnaround next, then drop, then pull the lift over ala SOB. Unless, of course, they don’t. lol

As an outsider, it does appear they are really far ahead on this one! Exciting! But I would assume they’ll do clearance checking way before they ever consider sending a train. (On B&Ms there’s a specially devised framework resembling the width and height of the train & riders that gets moved along the track.) Even though there’s not a lot of areas that visually appear close - I’m sure they’ll still do it. I’ve never known if the “B&M Ball” is used to check clearance - or if that’s just for maintenance - but Fury has one so I would guess Orion will too. I’ve heard this “ball” is used after vertical construction completes for addressing track and joint needs. Plus, do we know if the chain has been installed? I guess they probably did that while they still had the “big” crane. But I don’t know when that process typically takes place. There’s a ton of electrical that has to be done after vertical erection is complete in any coaster- along with computer and sensor programming. I’m sure they will send a train as soon as they can - but not until it’s ready. It’s got to be a very exciting time for the park knowing they are getting closer and closer. Side note - I think the fact that they’ve already announced media day, and accepted registrations for it, is a pretty good indicator that they know they’ll have the coaster running well before then. (I believe the State requires tons of cycles before a guest can ride.)

Actually, probably mid to late January. It was taken by yours truly on a visit to KI before heading to No Coaster Con in Chicago. :-)

For posterity - King Cobras removal...

In regards to the final bunny hills being removed on Racer for "height clearance" or such. Yes, the park has always officially stated that as the reason. The Kings Island Blog (fairly recently) addressed the question with that same response. But... while I'm sure that expanding the opening & pathway to the OLFOF plaza played a significant role, there were probably (behind the scenes) a handful of reasons of which those not affiliated with KI wood coaster maintenance will never be told. A major structural change to an existing coaster - that had successfully operated for 24ish years - was without out a doubt a major decision based on more than one factor. I've personally long suspected it also had something to do with reducing stress on the trains and structure leading into the original, shorter hard stop. Perhaps it also allowed a better ability to stack trains or avoiding any potential "bumps" if ever the incoming train overshot the final brakes. (The actual brake run was indeed lengthened - not just the track flattened. I rode many times in the 1990s - and distinctly recall recognizing the change when I rode in 1996 when FOF was added. Trains stop much farther back than the pre-1996 reprofile.) However, its worth noting I took note (at the time of the reprofile) that there was a trim brake added to the turn-arounds. That signified to me that there might have been concern that any reduced speed in the return could cause the train to valley in the final dip. FYI - The final bunny hill on Beastie (its name at the time - now Woodstock's Express) was removed as well - and that had no "height clearance" needs or issues. Of note - Beastie had a trim added to its final turn at that time as well. The Scooby Doo (its name at the time - now also called Woodstock's Express) located at Kings Dominion was an exact copy of Beastie... it never got the trim, and retains its final bunny hop (or did as of 2016.) That tells me there was more to the story... But we'll never know for certain.

According to Steve Okamoto of Arrow - "Our corkscrews and boomerangs are fairly standard items"... I assume he meant loops too.

As I understood, yes. By the time Vortex was built, Arrow had "perfected" a number of elements. So its layout was more or less just a collection of their standard inversions arranged in a unique layout.

If memory serves me, the 2 loops were 50 feet in diameter standing 72 and 62 feet tall. The 2 corkscrews were 30 feet in diameter and 200 feet long. The “boomerang turn” was a 2-inversion element 60 feet in diameter from its lowest to highest point.

I suspect, and hope, they will install pavers back there. At the Orion announcement, I took note that the concrete was cracking/breaking up in places. I noticed this because I saw a kid pick up a broken piece of concrete and throw it! So replacement/repair was needed.

Here’s a picture taken by me on the last weekend of operation for verification/comparison to the demolition photo above. The entire station - including the spire is gone.

Looks like a fenced lock out area to me. Lots of coasters have them in areas where the track gets very close to the ground. I believe Fury does. Diamondback has one too.

A correction to what I posted - SOB media day was around April 28th and it soft opened to the public that weekend after modifications were made following media rides. It ran that weekend and was then closed indefinitely for further, more extensive, modifications to that same area. It did not “officially” open- according to the park - until late May (26th.)

There was a severe “jolt” at the top of the hill following the large drop. It.was.bad. So they re-banked and re-tracked that portion of the ride.

I don’t have any knowledge of the patch jobs done after the 2006 issues. Truth be told, I was over SOB by then. I guess they probably had to usher in a large crane for the loop removal etc - but not necessarily one of those large semi- permanent ones with the box type structure. I thought you meant after it ran for media day (when I first rode) and they ripped out the curve leading up into the rose bowl. BTW - for posterity - SOB never quite ran for the public as originally designed and built. It’s a real shame because media day rides were far superior - albeit was too extreme for the GP. I’ll never forget that experience. Such a shame... doomed from the start.

The crane in the rose bowl was not there when it opened. The crane in the final helix/lift area was (if I recall properly.) SOB was delayed - by several weeks. Those pictures were taken at the very start of the 2000 season before construction of SOB was complete. SOB took its first “official” riders - PKI executives - on Easter 2000. How do I know? I was there :-)

Yes. It was called (if memory serves me) "Flight Team Aerial Tours." You had the choice of different flights, which affected the per person cost. It lasted - again, if memory serves me - 2-3 seasons.

Remember KI once had helicopter tours over the park as an upcharge attraction. So there was no ban then. Worth noting, the copter pad was located approximately where Firehawk and Orion's ques are (will be) located. Here's some nostalgic photos for you - courtesy of yours truly - that show the construction of the pad, and an overview of area where Orion has been built. Looks a bit different, wouldn't you say?

Did his hair come off? ;-) KIDDING

First off, welcome to ACE! I've been a member of ACE for a long long time. I do not belong to any other coaster clubs. I enjoy and respect ACE and what it offers. My primary enjoyment is based on friendships, of course, but also it the fact that it is a "recognized" organization world-wide. I also like that they have a focus on preservation and history, an elected team of leaders and a distinct code of conduct. Yes, it has its "isms" - but any club for any hobby has them. By nature "clubs" tend to draw folks from the island of misfit toys - so ACE events (on occasion) draw some members who are odd birds. I first learned of ACE in 1978 when I was 8... and living in Virginia, 20 minutes away from Busch Gardens... it was in June of that year, when Loch Ness Monster opened, that they held their first official event. I distinctly recall it - it was covered in the local newspaper (Daily Press) and I knew I wanted to join that group. Took a few years before I did, but I did. Yes, I am that old, and yes my interest goes back that far. ;-)

RING RING... "Hello Don? This is Fox19, we cant get to the park until 3..." "Ok boys, lower it down again..." ;-)

That's awesome! LOL!

FYI - Not only is Dave fascinating to follow online - he is a really great guy too. He has had (and continues to have) an amazing career - I've been fortunate to have been friends with him for nearly two decades and I still marvel at his adventures! LOL!

That response is very much appreciated Ty. Piecing together KI's vast (and ongoing) history is the primary reason I visit these boards - and I've learned just as much (if not more) as I've shared over the years. You're absolutely right, we all share that passion for KI - otherwise none of us would be here! As a side note - In general, I do not feel burned by people's responses or take them personally. I always keep in mind on "message boards" there's facets to people's personalities we don't know - like personal life circumstances, experiences or young age and maturity level. Sometimes those things can project an unintended tone - and on occasion and intended one ;-) I'm here to have fun, and share fun stuff about KI with friends - I don't plan on changing that or going anywhere. :-)