BoddaH1994

Seriously! If you stopped hitting random buttons, things wouldn't break down on you so much! I hope you have a better trip next time.

This has been quite an adventure over the past few days... SOB_Tom and myself met up with Dane, Zosobeast, TRTRGuy, and DeliriumDreamer down in KY, several miles south of where I live. Zip forward several hours. We arrived at the front gates of Holiday World and I finally got to meet Pat Koch, who was a very nice lady. After entering, we rode the Haloswings which were... well, the Zephyr... then we rode Raven and Legend. I have to disagree with most of you in saying that the Legend was much better than the Raven. I found the Raven to be short and boring, while the Legend offered a ton of fun lateral Gs as well as pops of airtime. By this time, the park was closing to the GP and it was time to meet under the picnic grove for the ERTs. There were over 1,000 people there for this event, filling three picnic shelters. Will Koch took the podium and went over some very important, but obvious, safety rules. He turned the mic over to Pat Koch who said a prayer with everyone and reminded us not to forget that the last time she prayed in front of this type of crowd, it wasn’t' such a happy occasion. I think it's really cool that they operate this way and integrate their type of family values into the park. The prayer thing is relatively unique and is something I totally support. The ERTs kicked off and we headed directly for the Voyage. It wasn't too long of a wait and we were off riding the most eagerly anticipated coaster of the trip. Let me tell you, the ride is AWESOME. You rarely spend any time in your seat due to the constant airtime. The dark tunnels are great, and the ride does NOT let up. From the time you crest the hill to the time when you hit the final break run, it's nothing but an out of control, wild ride waiting to happen. Then we rode it at night... oh my god... after the first hill, you see NOTHING. You are thrown around and have no idea what's going to happen next. It's honestly what I thought a descent into hell would be like. All you can see are the stars. Best ride experience... ever. We rode Gobbler's Getaway, which left a lot to be desired. Imagine if Scooby Doo and the Haunted Castle were done just REALLY badly. This was clearly Scooby with half of the budgets and you're shooting at cardboard cutouts with the same kind of targets as the ride mentioned above. Of course you're not SHOOTING at them, you're using a turkey caller to call them out, which actually looks a lot like a Telexon Gun, for those of you who have worked retail. Ariel even dubbed it "Cracker Barrel: The Ride". Anyway, after several ERT rides on their major coasters, we headed back to our campsite at Lake Rudolf where we tipped a few glasses (to say the least) and crashed out for our morning ERT in Spashin' Safari. The ERT was pretty fun. They have a nice little waterpark that anyone can enjoy. The only disappointing part was the new Action River. It's like our Lazy Miami, except less eventful. The best part of the ERT was seeing this guy who was doing the water attractions wearing a full body wet suit... hilarious. Tom, Dane, and I headed back to the campsite only to find Bill completely passed out in his tent. We poked him with some sticks to mess with him for a while then we went out to find the closest Wal-Mart. This ended up being a three-hour fiasco since the next Wal Mart was well over 40 miles away. We went to Wally World and picked up several things that we needed for camping and headed back only to find Bill still passed out in his tent. I went into mine to change my clothes only to overhear a now-awakened Bill yell out "Hey, does she have a Monkey?!?" ::Warning: Sexually Explicit Content:: I got out of my tent quickly to find that a couple that had been walking down the path did in fact have a pet monkey. It really was the cutest thing ever. We took turns petting it, and when it was my turn, it ran up my arm and gave me a big kiss on the lips! Dane of course took a photo of the monkey with its paws on my face with his phone. The monkey then took Dane phone and started to chew on it! The owner had to pry the phone out of the monkey's hand and rewarded its surrender of Dane's phone with a Starburst. We then set out towards Holiday World again. This time we were early enough to hit a few more rides before the ERTs. I particularly like the Liberty Launch and their flume, which we rode twice. We also did the Revolution ride, which was fun as well. After those rides, a few more on the Raven and Legend, and a now-famous night ride on the Voyage, we set off back towards the campsite. The next morning, we kissed Holiday World goodbye and headed out on a two-hour trek towards Beech Bend in Bowling Green, KY. Beech Bend is hard to describe. It's almost like a Zamperla showroom. Almost all of their rides are mobile Zamperla carnival attractions, which puts the whole NU looking like a carnival theory to shame. Seriously, give me a big rig and I can have that park GONE in an hour. One of the first things that we rode was the Kentucky Rumbler. The footprint of the ride is extremely small, but the ride is surprisingly lengthy with all things considered. It has an incredible amount of crossovers and even a station flyby. It uses the new Millennium Flyer trains, which are the most comfortable trains ever. Seriously, it's like sitting on a couch. The ride packs a lot of pops of airtime and is a heck of a little coaster. We headed to our hotel for check in, which is where I typed the preliminary post. We all managed to get showers in and headed back to the park. Once we got to the park, we rode their kiddy coaster, which is similar to Boa Squeeze. The train would barely make it around the track and it seemed like it wanted to roll back constantly. The ride op was clearly experience in what he does and strategically placed people in the train, mainly with heavier people towards the front. Next was their old classic dark ride, which was exactly what you think of with old dark rides.. 2-3 man cars that slam through double doors to find random haunted scenes. This one banked more on you jumping as a result of random loud buzzers that would go off... Dane especially like this attraction. Heading farther down the midway we reached a ride called Scat 2 (no, I did NOT make that up). It's a g-force driven ride with two spinning cages which rotate on opposing arms. We climbed aboard that ride and had a fun little painful experience only to have the ride stop half way through the cycle. The ride op was hitting random buttons trying to restart the ride with little to no success. Finally, we asked if we could get out of our pods (this has HW's 'Revolution' style seating arrangements) and we all sat on the floor waiting for the mechanic. Finally, they managed to get the ride in motion slightly.. enough to get my pod semi-close to the platform. We all jumped off of it and helped physically push the ride in its circular motion so Dane, Bill, and Bobby could get off. All in all, it was a 20 minute ordeal, but the ride op and his sup (who were a man and a woman in their golden years) were very nice about it, apologized for the ride breaking down, and were very appreciative that we helped push the ride. We rode the Looping Star next, and this ride is a work.. I mean a piece... let's say a piece that needs work. Imagine a Galaxy coaster with a loop. Oh yeah, imagine that this Galaxy coaster has some sort of vendetta against you and decided to grab you and beat the living heck out of you... that's the Looping Star. We got on and I tried to hand the ride op my cup of ice.. I really did. He refused to take it when he checked my lap bar so it went off with me. I was able to hold onto it down the first hill, but as soon as we went up the return hill... let's just say I remember seeing pieces of ice floating in the air before they landed in random spots all over the train. Next we rode Moby Dick which is kind of like a Huss Rainbow, except it only has one row and seats upwards of 30 people horizontally. We had a little fun on it yelling 'WEEEEEEEE!!" as it spun clockwise and "WHOOOAAA!!" as it spun counter clockwise. We got the whole ride doing it, and even the ride up got into it and started setting the ride at the top and picking a random a random direction for the ride vehicle to spin in an attempt to foil our plan.. it didn't work. Next we rode their spinning wild mouse, which is always a fun and painful experience. The cars sat 4, but we only packed in SOB_Tom, Dane, and myself. The offset weight of the car caused it to spin uncontrollably for a very long time. Dane got a kick out of the redneck ride op that said something along the lines of, "Boy, you guys got that mofo spinnin'!!" We headed over to the picnic grove where they had a catered dinner that was outstanding. There they also had several door prizes for Rumber gear, but no one in my immediate group won. After that, we headed over for another painful ride on Looping Star and got one final ride on Kentucky Rumber, this time at night, and headed back to the hotel. At the hotel, we tipped a few more glasses and then had a lot of loud fun... mainly wrestling with Dane in the room. I'm shocked we weren't evicted. The next day we set off for our last leg of the trip: Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom. For those of you who have been around for a while, you may remember my last trip report from this place, which was negative and lengthy. With Shapiro taking over the chain, I came expecting improvement but of course was disappointed for the most part. Upon entering the park, we saw several walk around characters -- good thing! Then we saw these characters walk in groups right past all sorts of guests, both young an old. The characters were out there for good PR, not to improve the guest experience -- bad thing. We rode all of their major rides, Chang, the oh so wonderful T2 which I always swear I'll never ride again, Twisted Twins, and of course Thunder Run. Thunder Run was great, it's a low capacity, one train coaster that is constantly being delayed because the ride op kept stopping to joke around with her friends. This delayed each train up to about 5 minutes since her friends kept on running around the exit and getting into empty seats. If I were her boss, I would have fired her on the spot, but clearly Six Flags, at least KY Kingdom, doesn't have that type of commitment to quality or safe ride ops. They dispatched and it sent me to the most turbulent ride I had ever been on. If SOB at its worst was your grandma spanking you, this ride is your 300lb father beating you as a toddler. After having one terrible experience after another, Tom and I decided to call it quits and head out. Upon leaving, I went to get my bottle refilled and the Coke machine was out of the syrup. The lady named Jean who worked the booth was very apologetic and changed it out. Her sup, AJ, noticed we were standing at the window for a long time and asked what the problem was. We told him and also told him about how well Jean handled the situation and he told her to change the syrup, and offer us any food item we wanted. THAT is good service. It wasn't even a long wait, and we were far from frustrated with the extra 5 minutes. This shows that Shapiro may actually have made a tiny mark on the park, but the park is so used to being the trailer park of Six Flags that it's hard to set in. Tom dropped my off at my house in the cornfields of Edgewood, KY and we called it a trip. Thanks for reading my rambling! Regards, Ryan

Let me guess, the Dragon coaster? That got stuck (with large riders) mid-course, and up in the air, on the Media day I went to in early May. Nope, that would be the Scat 2. The ride just totally broke down electronically. So the ride op had to spin it around to unload Ryan, Tom and Arial. So when they got off, Tom and Ryan helped spin it the other way around so that Bobby, Dane and I could get off. Was pretty funny. VOYAGE FRICKING ROCKS! Best wooden coaster!!

Kennywood's Great! Phantom's Revenge is my favorite steel and Noah's Ark is my favorite dark ride!

If you really need footage, we have it. Just PM me and we'll talk about it. Of course, this can only be for personal use and I don't have the authority to let you put it up on the net.

Yesterday was a particularly busy day for HW since we had Holiwood Nights going on. I'd say that wait time was up to an hour or so. They ran two trains for most of the trip and it was still a people eater. I recommend riding it once during the day so you can see the whole ride and doing a night ride... just trust me... it's worth it.

I am sitting in a hotel in Bowling Green, KY with SOB_Tom, ZosoBeast, Delirium Dreamer, Dane and TRTR Guy. Thus far we have been to Holiday World for several ERTs on their coaster and quickly stopped by Beech Bend for a taste of what's to come at Rumblefest tonight. Tomorrow we're hitting SFKK. I won't have time to write a full trip report until I get back, but this has been rather interesting. We have: Ridden Voyage in TOTAL darkness. At certain points, all that you can see is the stars in the sky! Help evacuate a ride that went down at Beech Bend. Ridden Rumbler. Made several friends from all accross the nation at Holiwood Nights. ...oh yeah, and a monkey kissed me. There will be quite a trip report after this but for now, we're arguing over who can use the shower first since we've been camping for the past two days and this is the first shower we've had access to. Have a great day every everyone, I'll be back Monday night! Regards, Ryan, Tom, Bill, Dane, Ariel, and Bobby.

Expert my a--. Neither park is competes with Kings Island. Never before have I read that SFKK was a "fierce" competitor of KI. They are 3 hours apart and draw different crowds. Don't get me wrong. I like SFKK - but it is not a major competitor of Kings Island. They serve different geographic markets. Have a great day! Italian Chef I disagree. If PKI draws mostly from the south, I'm sure they'd love to have a better grasp on the Louisville market.

Anyone going?

That was me and you're welcome.... ?

Heh... I've got a ton of camping stuff sitting right next to me which I borrowed for Holiwood Nights. If you see us there, make sure you say hi. Ryan

As stated before, the only good thing that could come of this is Mountain Dew finding its way into the park!

CBS will still own the share in the GWL. I encourage you to read my notes from the conference call before making any more predictions. Grated, we don't know a lot, but I wouldn't jump to conclusions on stuff that we do know for certain.

I'm sure you remember from the conference call that they would have their hands full with this for the next 3 or 4 years. I wouldn't be shocked to hear him stick around for that.

That's a very good question. PKIC days have been VERY popular in the past. They're always a lot of fun and you get to meet a lot of interesting people. I'd pencil in a PKIC meeting day sometime in June, but that's something that would be up for discussion. I want the out-of-towners to be able to join in this time too.

If anything, this will hurt the Beach. Simply put: if someone wants to go to a waterpark, they can either go to the Beach for a lower cost and just do a waterpark, or go to PKI and pay for both parks and just do the water park. In this instance, they can pay a smaller admission and just do Boomerang Bay which will be more attractive since it's "newer".

Wow... sounds like an AWESOME trip! I hope you guys have a good time, and be safe!

I wouldn't speak so confidently about that. On the conference call, they weren't sure if PKI was going to see Snoopy.

I'm shocked that no one has made this poll yet.

Please do not double posts topics. I deleted the first one for a reason. The deal wasn't reached until Sunday night, per the conference call. CBS voted on it Monday morning. In fact, CF didn't even know they were awarded the deal until Sunday. So whoever you or your "inside source" is, just happend to make a lucky guess. I'd hit the casino now while you're still hot. Closing...

From a PKI official mailer: Sorry for the Inconvenience! Over the weekend our web site experienced intermittent outages that may have prevented you from ordering your 2006 Gold Passes before today's deadline. We apologize for the inconvenience and we want you to know that all of these issues have been resolved and that you can still place your order at the discounted price until the end of the day on Wednesday, May 24. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MAY 24 is now your LAST CHANCE to Get a Free Upgrade to GOLD When You Buy Your 2006 Kings Island Season Pass Order ONLINE TODAY before the price Goes Up on May 24 Wednesday, May 24 is now your last chance to receive a free upgrade to GOLD premium status when you order your 2006 season pass! It is also your last chance to pay only $79.99 per pass when you buy four or more. Kings Island Season Pass holders receives the following benefits: Unlimited visits all spring, summer and fall Unlimited visits to Boomerang Bay Waterpark all summer Valuable perks and discounts Exclusive events Free admission to all of the other Paramount parks including Canada's Wonderland in Toronto and Kings Dominion in Virginia Order by May 24 and you'll also receive these GOLD pass benefits: Special days you can bring a friend for free Exclusive entrance to Boomerang Bay Exclusive reserved parking area Early waterpark access (before the best seats are taken!) Discounts on park food Early ride times on selected days Double ride Tuesdays Gold Pass Speed Lane Priority Concert Seating Free FearFest admission Discounts on WinterFest tickets Special version of the Kings Island online newsletter There is absolutely no better way to experience Kings Island than as a 2006 GOLD Season Pass holder! LEARN MORE AT THE Kings Island WEB SITE Season pass benefits are subject to change; check the park web site for full list of 2006 benefits, operating calendar, list of upcoming special events, and other relevant information about the park! SUBSCRIPTION INFORMATION: This message was sent to boddah1994@aol.com as a result of a your membership on our park newsletter mailing list which you signed up for on December 02, 2003 on at our park web site.. Visit the Paramount Parks Mail Preference Center to change which park lists your are signed up for, change your e-mail address, as well as anything else about your account. Or you may also UNSUBSCRIBE from some or all Paramount Parks mailing lists. ADMINISTRATIVE INFORMATION: The Park Newsletter is published by Paramount Parks, located at 8720 Red Oak Blvd, Suite 315, Charlotte, NC 28217. PRIVACY POLICY: The Park newsletter is subject to the Paramount Parks online privacy policy. Subscriber personal information is never sold, rented, or shared with third parties for any reason. Send us a note or UNSUBSCRIBE in one quick friendly step or report as spam if you think you never signed up for this.

The announcement seemed kind of rushed, so we'll have to see how things unfold. They didn't really have too many answers today.

Here are some notes from the 1:00 conference call: Cedar Fair will own 12 properties after this deal. The total will be 25million guests for the chain. The cost of the parks was 1.24 billion dollars. Will the arms race continue between CP and PKI? -They are marketed seperately, so they don't see the "high thrills" vs. "family fun" being a problem. The license for Nickelodeon will last for another 4 years. The Paramount themes are licensed up to 10 years, but they're not sure if they're going to use them after this year. Cross-marketing is possible, but Kinzel had to remind peopel (repeatedly) that the parks are 5 hours apparrt. There will be no changes at all in the operating schedules for the Paramount Parks for this year. CF intends to "cross-incorperate" great ideas that were successful for both parks. CF intends to keep PP up to the same quality that they've had in past years. 2007 Capital and additions are already in place and CF will honor PP's commitements, although we know there will be no major attractions added over $20 million. The concept of Winterfest will be "Looked at" and determined whether it'll be back. Cedar Fair LLC, will likely not expand into other parks outside of this deal for 3 or 4 for years. This deal was awarded to CF late last night and voted on by CBS this morning. Wonderland will be CF's first investment outside of the USA. Job cuts will be "looked at" after the deal closing. This deal will have no immediate effect on Geauga Lake. CBS will retain its stock in the Great Wolf Lodge. CF now owns 4 parks that gross more than 3 million: PKI PCW CP KBF CF plans to keep up Paramount's safety record. CP's marketing range is mainly Detriot, Cleveland, Toledo while PKI's is mainly to the south. Sorry if not all makes sense, I'm trying to do this quickly!

From Yahoo News: Press Release Source: Cedar Fair, L.P. Cedar Fair, L.P. to Acquire Paramount Parks Monday May 22, 8:58 am ET - One of the largest regional amusement park operators in the world - Combined annual revenues to approach $1 billion - Combined annual park attendance to approach 25 million visitors SANDUSKY, Ohio, May 22 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Cedar Fair, L.P . (NYSE: FUN - News), a publicly traded partnership which owns and operates seven amusement parks and five water parks, today announced that it has signed a definitive agreement for the acquisition of the Paramount Parks. Cedar Fair, L.P. will acquire the stock of Paramount Parks, Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of CBS Corporation (NYSE: CBS - News; NYSE: CBSA - News) for a cash purchase price of $1.24 billion. The five Paramount Parks consist of Canada's Wonderland near Toronto, Canada; King's Island near Cincinnati, Ohio; King's Dominion near Richmond, Virginia; Carowinds near Charlotte, North Carolina; and Great America located in Santa Clara, California. "This transaction offers a unique opportunity for us to acquire a world- class asset portfolio," said Dick Kinzel, Cedar Fair's chairman, president and chief executive officer. "It is not every day that we have the chance to purchase five great family-oriented parks that fit extremely well with our existing parks. This acquisition will provide exciting new growth opportunities and the potential for meaningful incremental free cash flow as we realize $20-$30 million in annual cash flow synergies over the next 3-5 years. It will also add significant geographic diversity to our portfolio of parks and improve our position as one of the largest regional amusement park operators in the world." In 2005, the Paramount Parks generated revenues of approximately $423 million while entertaining 12.2 million guests. Cedar Fair reported $569 million in revenues and 12.7 million guest visits. On a combined basis, the two companies generated almost $1 billion in revenues and entertained approximately 25 million guests in 2005. The transaction is subject to conditions, including regulatory approval and other terms and conditions customary for transactions of this type, and is expected to close during the third quarter. Further details were not disclosed. Cedar Fair was advised by Bear, Stearns & Co. Inc. and Rothschild, Inc., and Bear Stearns is providing $2.0 billion in committed financing in support of the transaction. Squire, Sanders & Dempsey LLP provided legal counsel to Cedar Fair. Cedar Fair's seven amusement parks are Cedar Point, located on Lake Erie between Cleveland and Toledo; Knott's Berry Farm near Los Angeles in Buena Park, California; Dorney Park & Wildwater Kingdom near Allentown, Pennsylvania; Valleyfair near Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota; Worlds of Fun, located in Kansas City, Missouri; Geauga Lake & Wildwater Kingdom near Cleveland, Ohio; and Michigan's Adventure near Muskegon, Michigan. The Partnership's water parks are located near San Diego and in Palm Springs, California, and adjacent to Cedar Point, Knott's Berry Farm and Worlds of Fun. Cedar Fair also owns and operates the Castaway Bay Indoor Waterpark Resort in Sandusky, Ohio. Cedar Fair's flagship park, Cedar Point, has been voted the "Best Amusement Park in the World" for eight consecutive years in a prestigious annual poll conducted by Amusement Today newspaper. Mr. Kinzel will host two conference calls and webcasts to discuss the acquisition. The first call will be to answer investor and analyst questions and is to be held at 11:00 a.m. Eastern Time on Monday, May 22, 2006. The second call to answer questions from the media as well as follow up on any additional questions from the investment community will be held at 1:00 p.m. Eastern Time. These calls can be accessed at 1-800-231-5571. The live conference call and presentation slides may be accessed in "listen only" mode via the Cedar Fair web site (http://www.cedarfair.com). Both conference calls will be made available for replay starting at approximately 4:00 p.m. ET, Monday, May 22, 2006, until 11:59 p.m. ET, Monday, June 5, 2006. In order to access the replay of the conference call, please dial 1-877-519-4471 followed by the access code 7426624 for the investor call and access code 7426623 for the media call. Editors: B-roll of Cedar Fair's flagship amusement park, Cedar Point, is available for download via satellite: Date: May 22, 2006. Time: 10:00 to 10:15 EDT. Satellite: AMC 2. Transponder: 1. Audio: 6.2 MHz. 6.8 MHz. Down Link: 11720 Vertical Down. Trouble #: (440) 838-5377 Ext 254. Technical Contact: Jerry Patton, Classic Worldwide Productions, 5001 East Royalton Road, Cleveland, OH 44147. Phone: (440) 838-5377. Fax: (440) 838-1240. Some of the statements contained in this news release constitute forward- looking statements. These statements may involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those described in such statements. Although the Partnership believes that the expectations reflected in such forward-looking statements are reasonable, it can give no assurance that such expectations will prove to have been correct. Important factors, including general economic conditions, competition for consumer leisure time and spending, adverse weather conditions, unanticipated construction delays and other factors could affect attendance at our parks and cause actual results to differ materially from the Partnership's expectations. In addition, risks and uncertainties concerning the acquisition include, but are not limited to, regulatory approval, the timely receipt of financing and the fulfillment of other specified closing conditions. PARK FACTS Cedar Fair, L.P. Paramount Parks Cedar Point & Soak City Kings Island - Sandusky, Ohio - Cincinnati, Ohio - Founded 1870 - Founded 1972 - 3.5 million visitors - 3.1 million visitors (includes water park) - more than 55 rides and - more than 65 rides and attractions attractions - 453 acres - 365 acres Knott's Berry Farm Canada's Wonderland - Buena Park, California - Toronto, Ontario - Founded 1920, Acquired 1997 - Founded 1981 - 3.6 million visitors - 3.3 million visitors - 755,000 visitors at three - more than 70 rides and California Soak City water parks attractions - more than 40 rides and attractions - 295 acres - 160 acres Dorney Park & Wildwater Kingdom Kings Dominion - Allentown, Pennsylvania - Richmond, Virginia - Founded 1884, Acquired 1992 - Founded 1975 - 1.5 million visitors - 2.1 million visitors - more than 75 rides and - more than 55 rides and attractions attractions - 200 acres - 264 acres Valleyfair Carowinds - Shakopee, Minnesota - Charlotte, North Carolina - Founded 1976, Acquired 1978 - Founded 1973 - 986,000 visitors - 1.9 million visitors - more than 40 rides and attractions - 45 rides and attractions - 160 acres - 246 acres Worlds of Fun & Oceans of Fun Great America - Kansas City, Missouri - Santa Clara, California - Founded 1973, Acquired 1995 - Founded 1976 - 1.1 million visitors - 1.8 million visitors - more than 40 rides and - more than 50 rides and attractions attractions - 350 acres - 180 acres (leased) Geauga Lake & Wildwater Kingdom - Cleveland, Ohio - Founded 1888, Acquired 2004 - 700,000 visitors - more than 50 rides and attractions - 670 acres Michigan's Adventure - Muskegon, Michigan - Founded 1988, Acquired 2001 - 550,000 visitors - more than 50 rides and attractions - 235 acres This press release and prior press releases are available online at http://www.cedarfair.com. ----------------------------------- Source: Cedar Fair, L.P. Regards, Ryan PKICentral.com - You know that last comment about not giving a darn about how they do it on America's Roller Coast? I was just kidding Mr. Kinzel.

I understand your train of thought, but I don't think the concept is unfeasable. Why not own your competition? That's kind of a win-win situation really. In response to those of you who are saying that they'll drop the Paramount name, I wouldn't count on that. I'm not saying that they'll probably remain PKI, I'm just saying that we simply don't know. If PP were to be bought out by an investment group, I wouldn't be shocked at all to still see the paramount name on the parks.