Cormaster

Makes me wonder. After all isn't Magic Mountain putting in Coaster #17, which will tie them with CP's record? Of course Magic Mountain has tied with CP several times so CP could just not care about this time either. They've tied, but never passed from my understanding.

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I like the way you think! Seriously probably not gonna happen, but still like the way you think!

hmmm... how about a twisted impulse coaster? IT could easily be taller than Diamondback and cost less. Someone posted a picture of Wicked twister in another thread, just got me thinking. Me personally I'd probably rather have a star flyer/wind seeker. But I did enjoy Wicked Twister, much more so than say Invertigo at KI! And on that note I doubt Cedar Fair sees the need to have 2 inverted shuttle's at the park!

I love it too, but TTD and its sister, Kingda Ka, have both had so much downtime and unusual problems I don't think another stratacoaster will ever be built!

The Anticipation is killing me! How is it we don't already know more about this? How'd they keep it so hush hush? Months before Diamondback was unveiled we saw construction, signs giving hints, blueprints, and someone even figured out from the hints the ride was going to be called Diamondback! This time we know nothing!

well Cedar Point's def. getting something announced tommorrow too, according to their facebook page and all the clues seem to point towards a star flyer. Who's to say they aren't building a whole fleet of these similar to Paramount and the Drop Towers?

Wow that thing looks cool! I'm all for it

Well I'm definitely interested in what its going to be... The park can use some new flats since other than Delerium and Drop Tower they essentially have nothing. I just wish I knew what a wind seeker is!

Dragster won't happen. Cedar Fair isn't going to build a clone of a coaster that has ridiculous amounts of downtime due to its awkward design.

Maybe they are going to modify Son of Beast, raise the lift hill to 250 feet, kill off the horrid rosebowl section of it and add some more airtime hills, and unveil a new name for the attraction! It won't happen but one can dream can't he?

Taller than Diamondback? What could it be? I highly doubt at this point its a coaster unless we're talking about somehow putting an Intamin Giga-coaster in where Son of Beast is, but that would make no sense because if they had an Intamin Giga and a B&M hyper... why would you even bother riding both? I'm assuming its not a coaster at this point, its gotta be a flat ride... but other than an Intamin Drop Tower (which we already have) what could be taller than Diamondback?

Didn't Mr. Kinzel call Top Thrill Dragster the "biggest mistake they ever made"? If I'm correct then, I doubt Cedar Fair will be trying to capture any more "tallest" roller coaster records.

I'm glad so much money was raised for the event. We did our part and bought 2 ducks and chucked one. I'm not sure why but my mother-in-law wanted a pink duck to keep, so we kept one and gave to her. Anyway I don't think we won the car as we never got a call, but I'm glad to see so much money was raised for a good cause!

Griffen's obviously newer and nicer than Sheikra, but we're wanting to go to Tampa for a full week stay, and we plan to do more relaxing than theme park visiting. It probably won't happen though... theres always other things we need to use our money for than taking a big vacation

I really would love a Dive machine. I've never ridden one, and unless we make it out to BGA this next year (we've been talking about a florida trip since '07) I probably never will unless some park in the midwest such as Kings Island, SFGAm or Cedar Point put one in.

I'm really not sure what kinda crowd you'll get, probably not as bad as my trip. I went 2 days, on a Tuesday and a Wednesday. On Tuesday only the big 3 (millie, Maverick, TTD) had long hour plus waits. Everything else was nearly a walk on, including Raptor, and Magnum. Wednesday the park was packed... maybe not as bad as a Saturday, but in comparison everything had at least a little wait, Raptor had a 45 minute wait, Magnum was about 15 minutes. Anyway your story sounds a lot like mine. My last trip to Cedar Point was 1995, and Raptor was the newest attraction. I had a blast, and I hope you have a lot of fun too.

No season pass for me! I think when I ripped apart everyone of Kings Island's coasters, its just goes to show I've been to the park too much the past 3 years. 3 years ago it was 2007 and I went for my first visit since '05... Son of Beast was still being tested and was unopen, Firehawk had so much downtime it was nearly unridable and Diamondback didn't exist, yet I was more than happy with their coaster lineup, and had no complaints what-so-ever. Fast forward to 2010 and I'm complaining like a spoiled brat about their coaster lineup... Honestly theirs nothing wrong with their coaster lineup... its a very good lineup and has a lot of variety and theres bound to be something for everybody! But I've just rode them too mnay times. Actually I think I"m going to skip 2011 and return to the park in 2012. I need a good break from the park. Next year maybe I'm thinking about checking out Holiday World, Kennywood, and Busch Gardens Africa, if all goes to plan.

I love Arrow Mega loopers but I do believe they are showing their age, and I can understand why many people don't like them. They are so rough they make even the roughest woodies look smooth, the trains are very uncomfortable, and the transitions quite frankly suck. That being said I love Vortex to death and have a lot of sentimental value in it, and I'll literally be in tears the day they tear it down! It was my first major steel coaster, and the day they announce they are tearing it down, I'll be sure to plan a trip out to KI To ride it all day as many times as possible! Before Diamondback, it was my favorite coaster and it was always a minimum of 3 times per visit. In many ways it shows how spoiled we are by modern coasters, because I used to not even think of it as being very rough...and then Cedar Fair built Diamondback, and ruined it for me lol!

Hey no problem man. I wish I could be as thoughtful, but I tend to more often than not spit out what I'm thinking at the time than actually thinking about what I"m posting.

Who else misses Paramount? I do. But it could very well be because that is all I knew. There are those here who absolutely positively despised Paramount (and in most cases, by that they mean CBS) for what they did to ruin Taft's (and later, KECO's) Kings Island. I can really only dream of a Kings Island where Festhaus and Oktoberfest had genuine German food, music, dancers, drinks, and costumes, or where Rivertown was actually a water-themed area (as its name implies), but I grew plenty content with the Kings Island that had a mismatched, but still isolated Rivertown, and a bustling "action backlot" area with the world's tallest, fastest rides of their kind. And when it comes to movie themes, I loved the names. And in most cases, that's all they were were names. "Top Gun" or "Flight Deck" could be called "Dalmation: The Ride" and it wouldn't change the ride experience at all. But there's something to be said for riding a ride that's even losely themed to a movie you've seen. And the truth is, most people have probably never heard of the movie FACE/OFF or Drop Zone, and those who had probably didn't even correlate them to the rides of the same name. They were just really cool names for rides. FACE/OFF on a face-to-face coaster? That's just fun. And so is Drop Zone. It's dramatic, and it's fun to say. And one of the major problems, as I said, with the Cedar Fair "re"-theme (more like a de-theme) is that they didn't bother to come up with new themes. They simply made the old themes generic. What really required our suspended coaster to retain a name relating to airplanes? Are there any concrete references to airplanes on the ride? No. Why couldn't it be painted sea-blue and renamed "Seahawk" or something like that? But instead, they took the idea of "Top Gun" and tried to make a generic name to replace it. What that creates, then, is a customer base who does not say "Oh, this is Seahawk and it feels like you're a bird," but instead says "This used to be Top Gun." That "used to be" is killer. "The Drop Tower" will always be "Drop Zone," because that's what kids learn it as from their brothers and sisters and parents. It's really no different than if Paramount has bought Cedar Fair and renamed Millennium Force into "Cloverfield: The Ride." No matter what the sign said, it would always be "Millennium Force," just as Kings Island will always have "Drop Zone." Sadly, I don't think the other Paramount Parks feel our pain. With the exception of the Backlot Stunt Coaster, none of the other parks had any major de-themes other than "in-name-only" stuff. We were the only ones with Tomb Raider: The Ride. And as I said, that is probably the most shameful thing to happen to a ride that I've ever seen in my short life. Truly. And recall that Paramount gave Cedar Fair the option of continuing to use movie names within the parks. Was it free? Oh no, it was not. For the right price, Cedar Fair probably could have sold it as a "partnership" or "merging" with Paramount, and re-branded all of their parks with Paramount merchandise and movie names (and given a heaping chunk of dough each year to Paramount to retain those rights). They chose not to. They also chose to eliminate most of the higher-ups in charge at the Paramount Parks. And I believe that Paramount Parks Creative (or whatever their equivalent was) was among the first to go without replacement. After all, you try to convince me that a group of people sat down together and Flight Deck was the honest-to-God best they could come up with? I don't buy it. GYK did I ever mention you were one of my favorite posters on this board? I don't think I ever did. I know we don't always have the same opinions but your posts are very very VERY well thought out and are a joy to read! Doesn't have much to do with this topic, but I thought I'd throw a compliment your way because I have to admit I actually LOOK forward to seeing your reply at times! on topic: I really didn't get the rename of "drop zone" or "face/off". Face Off was an excellent movie, Drop Zone sucked. Either way they were just names, and the rides had no theming involved with either movie so I didn't get why they had to change. "Drop Zone" made sense because well thats what it did, it dropped you. "Face Off" made sense because everyone who rode faced eachother. And yet they keep the name "Congo falls" which we all know very well was retehemd from Amazon falls due to a movie yet Cedar Fair says "well Congo's a country in africa".. How is the loosley named Face Off and Drop Zone any different? I do agree with you on the retheming how generic it is. "Flight deck" has to be the worst name ever. It really is a generic rip off of Top Gun. Its my understanding the coaster was being built under KECO in the middle of the Paramount purchase, and the original name was "Thunder Run". Why didn't they just call it Thunder Run then? And one thing about TR:TR is Tomb Raider is a MOVIE based off a video game. Your teling me Cedar Fair couldn't of just gotten a cheaper liscense of Eidos Interactive? IF they couldn't' like I said how about rethemeing it to "Uncharted: the ride"? Both Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, and Uncharted 2: Among Theives are a exclusive PS3 Titles that very much take a lot from the Tomb Raider games, but they are still awesome and would make for a great alternative theme to TR;TR!

Has RCDB been updated recently? Because even after it pretty much was all BUT fact that GASM was being torn down for Chang, RCDB still had "unknown...previously "Chang" at Kentucky Kingdom" listed under Six Flags Great America!

So yeah now that we're on the subject... Who here wouldn't mind if Cedar Fair skipped a couple years of new attraction's in favor of bringing theme back? I for one say "aye!". Seriously though its not like Paramound parks were the end all to end all theme, because they were lacking in comparison to say Busch Garden Parks...but man they were a 100 times better than what Cedar Fair has to offer! I do miss the paramount era. I miss "Top Gun", "Drop Zone", and "Face Off". I miss action theatre showing "days of thunder". I miss the movie music. I miss "Tomb Raider The RIde". I miss Bubba Gump Shrimp Shack. I miss seeing Star Trek Characters walking around the park. And the whole "Planet Snoopy" is weak in comparison to the world's best Children Area, Nickelodeon Universe! I'd say overall yeah the park was better under Paramount than Cedar Fair at this point. Yeah CF gave us Diamondback, and Firehawk... but they took the "soul" out of the park. Who else misses "Paramount's Kings Island" like I do? I really thought Paramount themeing and Kings Island went as well together as "peas and carrots" as Forrest Gump would say. But of course its a catch 22 because from what I've heard, Flight of Fear would be gone had Paramount not sold the park...grr...argh! I swear I hate the business politics involved in my favorite amusement park. I think if I had my actual "Choice" in all of it, I'd say I'd rather Paramount not of bought them ,and KECO still own them! ON that note though I will say I'm not saying Paramount were the best owners... nor am I saying they were better than Cedar Fair currently is... but I definitely think Paramount themeing fit Kings Island better than anything else! I still have a hard time saying "who would I rather own the park". Because I think Cedar Fair is really trying to return Kings Island to its golden age, however its hard to deny how much the theming was under paramount! But I guess that's what happens when a big amusment chain wants one park and gets 5!

I too loved Tomb Raider and thought it was absolutely amazing and provided thrills that could rival any roller coaster, as well as special effects that would make Universal Studios jealous. When you rode it you finally started to see where Parmount was wanting to go with there movie theming. It was finally something to make it feel like more of "universal studios midwest". It is a shame what CF had done to the ride. I mean I honestly won't even go near it. It simply is just a puke machine these days. IT spins you in the dark until you feel nauseous then the ride's over. It went from being the best ride in the park to the absolute worst! I suggest to My wife once "why don't they go grab a license for Uncharted: drake's fortune and re-theme it to that?"

There seriously. I admit I was wrong, I apologize, I love Kings Island, I got carried away, there. What else do you people want from me?