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^^ Great picture Dave! ^ Thanks Terp!

To be honest, my first impression of the park wasn't that great. We parked behind the park and entered through the back (near Steel Hawg), and that area of the park isn't exactly the most impressive looking. In fact that section reminded me of a run-down fair. We jumped in line for Steel Hawg first, and we went in with the assumption that it would be about a 5 minute wait. After 20 minutes of standing in line with no progress made AT ALL we decided to head out. A father telling about 5 of his family members to jump ahead in line with him didn't help either... We walked on down through the park and got in line for the Hoosier Hurricane, which looked like a 2 minute wait. Unfortunately only one train was running, which made for a very slow operation. It also took the ride ops forever to dispatch the train. After taking a walk around and taking in the atmosphere of the park, my opinion of it improved pretty quickly. It reminded my dad of the East Coast Boardwalk parks he visited in the 1950s and 60s. The flats were fun, and the general atmosphere of the park was positive. This is one of the parks that you can visit and enjoy being there, the rides are just the icing on the cake. I'll also say that my Italian Sausage was fantastic and CHEAP!!! It's rare that I eat food in a park without feeling as though I got ripped off, but this was one of those occasions. The rest of the food stands smelt great from the boardwalk. After riding more of the coasters and taking a quick walk around the park, we had to head back home in time to cook dinner... We WILL be returning! If you live anywhere near the park I recommend checking it out. The boardwalk atmosphere of the park is spot-on, the food is good and cheap, and the Cornball Express is an amazing coaster. The park offers a lot of options in terms of food, atmosphere, novelty, and rides. I don't think you'll be disappointed if you visit. As for my reviews of the three coasters we rode: Hoosier Hurricane - I didn't expect much going into it since I've read so many negative reviews, but I actually enjoyed this ride. It's fast and it's filled with laterals which made up for the lack of airtime. My first (and only) ride was in the front seat, but looking back it would have probably been better in the back. Overall a pretty good, smooth, quick coaster from the folks at CCI. Works as the park's signature coaster and can be seen from just about anywhere since it spans the entire boardwalk. 7/10. Cornball Express - This is a pretty interesting ride. I was looking forward to it more than any other ride at Indiana Beach. My first ride was near the back, and it wasn't really anything special! I actually liked Hoosier Hurricane more! We came back later in the day with the attitude that the front would be a better ride, and we couldn't have been more correct. The airtime on this thing is POWERFUL. Yes, just as much so as Magnum XL200. It's also packed full of laterals (the helix is great!) and speed. Not only this, but it's actually a very smooth coaster! I actually liked it better than the Raven, and if it would have just been a little bit longer it might have even tied with The Beast. I also like the way it twists around the midway without taking up much room at all. 9/10 Tiger - Old Schwarzkopf steel coaster, and a very fast one. This one was pretty fun, but I'd recommend riding alone since it was pretty uncomfortable with two people in the same seat. 3/10 with another person. 6/10 alone. We also rode their chairswing ride, their flying scooter ride, and their ferris wheel. Flying scooters may be my new favorite traditional flat.

I've never ridden an older TOGO standup, but from my experiences on B&M Standups they are nothing more than a gimmick. Mantis has a great layout, and if the trains were floorless it would be a very good ride. Older standups seem to be better since they are shorter and more to the point.

Sounds like a great day! I don't even think I've ridden The Racer 20 times in my entire life, so I'm wondering this is something I want to do in the future when I get my driver's license. 116 rides is a great lifetime count for a ride, and to think that you were able to do it in a single day blows my mind. Sad that the ignorant (I didn't say stupid, I said ignorant) GP had to come in and spoil the fun. Was there a sign or something that said "Red Racer closed for event" or anything? I agree with the front being the best seat. I'm one of the people who will wait 4 trains to get a front seat instead of just walking on the second row.

Stupid people annoy me to... It makes me sick to think how many people think behaving that way is normal. I still haven't gotten the chance to watch a show at Kings Island, which is something I think I'm going to have to do before the season ends. My dad's check engine light has been on for the past 40,000 miles.

1. Millennium Force 2. Top Thrill Dragster 3. Magnum 4. Raptor 5. Maverick 6. Wicked Twister 7. Blue Streak 8. Gemini 9. Wildcat 10. Corkscrew 11. Mantis 12. Mean Streak 13. Cedar Creek Mine Ride 14. Iron Dragon 15. Disaster Transport 16. Woodstock Express 17. Jr Gemini (I assume)

Just thought of this, but on the second Sunday after opening day I found a 20 dollar bill in the trashcan while in line for Flight of Fear.

I'm not making up anything. Summers/Dinn wooden coasters suffer from more retracking than what they should because of the way that they're built. It isn't hard to realize that the ride has gotten rougher since it opened, nor is it hard to see where and when parts of the ride have been rebuilt/retracked recently. That is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about how you say it is losing the park money and how it is tearing itself apart. And have you ridden it when it opened/early years? If not, you can not say it has gotten rougher. The track is wide to the point that the train shakes back and forth. This is what causes the ride to be rough, and this causes the train to exert too much force on the track... I know quite a few people who rode it (trimless) opening year (opening day even) who say that the ride was once no rougher than what Magnum is now, who now say that the ride is unrideable. I'm leaving that as my final thought...

Remember that July and the first half of August is the peak of the vacation season. If the park wasn't busy I'd be worried.

I'm not making up anything. Summers/Dinn wooden coasters suffer from more retracking than what they should because of the way that they're built. It isn't hard to realize that the ride has gotten rougher since it opened, nor is it hard to see where and when parts of the ride have been rebuilt/retracked recently.

^ Yes, I agree that there's plenty for everyone to do at Cedar Point, but it's mainly aimed at thrill seekers. There's something for everyone to do at Holiday World, but it's mainly aimed at families. I think families are going to have more fun at Holiday World and thrill seekers are DEFINITELY going to have more fun at Cedar Point, but everyone can find fun at some degree in both. Coming from a person who visited both Holiday World and Cedar Point quite a bit when I was younger, and now find myself staying at Cedar Point a little bit more and Holiday World a little bit less. I support both parks equally because they both do what they set out to do.

I won't say anything more since I don't know what to make of that.

There's a difference between seasonal upkeep and life support. Yes, all wooden coaster receive some sort of retracking, but Mean Streak passes the point of ridiculous. It's the Dinn Shuffle. Dinn built their coasters in a way that the train exerts too much force on the track, which tears up the track and roughens up the ride beyond the acceptable level. This is why Texas Giant is getting the makeover. I'm pretty sure most people who rode Mean Streak its opening year can agree that it was smooth(er) compared to now. This is after years of retracking, rebuilding parts, and trimming the heck out of the ride. The average speed of the ride can't be more than 35-40 mph, yet it still receives more complaints than almost every other wooden coaster as far as roughness is concerned. It's all a reflection on how the ride was built and how poor design can lead to a short service life.

The rides/shows/restaurants you listed do not require annual retracking. Mean Streak suffers from the "Dinn Shuffle" that many of the wooden coasters of the time suffer from. The ride is tearing itself apart and Cedar Point is using money to fix it, just so it can stress itself again... I'm not even saying that Cedar Point should take it down for room, I'm saying they should take it down because it's a terrible investment. They're loosing money keeping it open, and they wouldn't loose money if they didn't.

To be honest, the removal of any coaster bothers me. I don't know, it's just that we ride these things so much, year after year and we get the feeling that they can never been taken down. Finally when one DOES get taken down you've lost a piece of something that you enjoy. I don't hesitate to bring up Geauga Lake as an example. I can't imagine what it would have been like to be one of the locals once they heard the announcement. We visited during the last season that it was open, and we left promising that it would be an annual trip from that point on... It's as if every film print and every copy of one of your favorite movies suddenly disappeared... If The Beast gets taken down in my lifetime and they auction off seats on the last train, then you can guarantee I'll be sitting on it when it leaves the station.

The ride looked impressive up until closing. I've never ridden it myself. I've heard from a lot of people that it was rough, but I don't see it being any rougher than Vortex (not that I don't like Vortex). This makes me wonder if Viper will last much longer, or if it will be removed for one reason or another.

I don't see why people are arguing on this guys trip report! I really don't! You can't compare Holiday World to Kings Island! One is a family park with a traditional local park atmosphere. The reason many thrillseekers get bored in less than a day is because the park isn't "built around" thrillseekers. The Voyage is the only ride at Holiday World that is catered to adults (and I still see just as many kids ride it as grown-ups!) If someone has a family then they could easily spend all day at Holiday World. Just as a thrillseeker could easily spend all day at Cedar Point. Kings Island is the middle ground. It offers enough thrill rides to keep the thrillseekers happy, but it also offers enough for families to do. Not to mention brightly colored and themed to the area!

I've been riding Mean Streak since 2006 and I've never waited longer than a one train wait. And I've visited on days when Top Thrill Dragster was at 2 and a half hours, Millennium was 2 hours, and Mantis was an hour and a half. I haven't ridden Mean Streak in a year or so, but on every visit before that it's been a dead ride. To this day I've never seen it send out full trains. And again, when was the last time you heard someone say "I can't wait to get to Cedar Point and ride Mean Streak! It's going to be so much fun!" I'm sure people said it opening year. People probably said it for 2 or 3 years after. Certainly not recently.

I don't see them removing Lighthouse Point, especially for just a ride. Remember that the road to get to the Breakers is right there, and they would either have to build a giant bridge going over the road or re-route the road completely. In fact, most of the yellow line I drew on the second picture follows that road. However I wouldn't be surprised if Mean Streak is to be taken down in about 5 years. They've been retracking it every year and I don't see why rebuilding entire sections is needed. It isn't like it's the parks most popular attraction.

EDIT: This is kinda copying Cincyman98, so I'm sorry if that seems cheap The top picture shows what spots they can put new rides, obviously the bigger ones would fit coasters the smaller ones would fit flat rides. This is if they DON'T REMOVE ANYTHING or RELOCATE ANYTHING. I also didn't include anything close to the Frontier Trail since I would like to see it stay intact, although there are plenty of locations there that would fit several flats. The bottom picture shows how much of the property is park and how much is resort. Not really related, but I'm surprised how much of the peninsula is resorts.

I don't think that removing a ride is necessary for a GCI woodie. They are known for their confined space which is why Cedar Point could use one. I agree they should complete their line-up of rides with a good, modern woodie. Of course we shouldn't talk about their line-up until the mid-August announcement... Oh no what have I done.

Remember that Millennium Force was built simply by altering the basic design of a roller coaster and moving the Giant Wheel. After that we were given the most popular attraction in the park. Keep in mind that quite a few companies do all they can to conserve as much space as possible. GCI is known for its compact twisters that occupy almost no space. There are also a few rides in the park that are reaching the end of their lives, but I have a feeling that I would be better off if I didn't say which rides those are. EDIT: 200th post!

Yes, it's very easy to get time with The Beast during ERT. Everyone seems obsessed to get their 50th, 500th, 5000th ride on Diamondback. I'd rather ride The Beast... When I have my driver's license I'm going to head to Kings Island on a cool April Saturday. I'm going to head for The Beast at 9 o'clock and marathon it all day to see how many rides I can get.

Careful your breaking the rule. Don't talk smack about Flight Deck lol. ITs everyone's favorite lamer-coaster so you'll get people riled up. Oh and on that note I rode Iron Dragon at Cedar Point so I can OFFICIALLY say the Suspended coaster sucks now that I've rode 2! LOL I personally don't care. But I do see Son of Beast being the next demolished coaster no doubt about it. I was thinking obviously a B&M invert wouldn't take up the space that Son of Beast does so they could use a lot of that space to expand X-base, and ultimatley make X-base the home of the new B&M invert. Also a screaming Swing would be a nice edition too. Of course at this point I'd think we'd see some track showing up or something if we were getting anything for '11, so Its safe to say the next edition will not arrive till at least 2012. I would actually say that it's safe to say that our new edition won't arrive until 2013 or 2014, and if it's a new coaster probably not until 2015. We'd see something by now if something was going to be new for next year, I should have been more specific when I said that our next addition MAY BE an Invert.