KI Guy

Whether the coaster is relocated won't matter with time. Ask the Phoenix fans at Knoebel's.

I think the whole area will be revamped over time. Action Zone hasn't been touched for many years and the attractions are quite old. There's also a lot of dead space over there including TimberWolf and the old Xtreme Skyflyer pad. TimberWolf is a nothingburger, but I think some guests would miss Congo Falls. If they plan to also remove Invertigo in the near future, there will be plenty of room for a future family water attraction like the one coming to Carowinds (assuming that is a success). Alternatively they could build a Congo Falls replacement on The Vortex plot or even on the Tomb Raider site. P.S. Yes, I know I sound like I'm playing Roller Coaster Tycoon here, but I'm just trying to think ahead.

It makes sense given the financial position of SIX. They are unwilling or unable to spend big capex on the large former Cedar Fair parks that were taken care of pre-Covid. All the big money is going to the legacy Six parks in big markets. They must realize though that one of their parks could use AF1 especially at fire sale prices. This is probably the best possible ride for the money out there or they wouldn't be doing it. This is a top 10 coaster in the United States per most enthusiasts.

Although this is mostly a criticism of Six Flags, it comes off as a criticism of us at KICentral. I think it's nice to have something exciting to talk about. The lifeblood of this place is talking about changes and potential changes to Kings Island. I do definitely agree with you that they know exactly where this coaster is going regarding park and location within that park. I've noticed that wood coasters are the exception to the rule for coaster redundancy. I've been to several parks with three full-sized wood coasters and no one bats an eye. Perhaps this is because wood used to be all there were and people got used to seeing more than one wood coaster long ago—or it's just that each wood coaster has more character. I've never been to a park with two RMC I-boxes, two dive coasters, Arrow loopers, mine trains, stand ups, or inverts (from same manufacturer), etc.

This would be ideal. Can anyone check the scaling?

Glad to hear it. I have not renewed my pass either. If they do add AF1, I'll be back.

The drink improvements are not likely. It's been an ongoing issue for many years. My question for you is why do you still buy the drink plan? If more people hold them accountable maybe they'll wake up. Regarding the turnstiles they'd rather force people to use an app when all you really need is a barcode or a chip card found at every hotel for the last 10 years They don't care about us; they only care about cutting costs. They think people won't notice, but they're dead wrong. They are eroding the relationship with tomorrow's customer to save a buck today. But then again why would they care about the long term health of the park when they primarily care about quarterly results and the stock price?

I had the drink plan for a couple years but stopped after I had too many drinks without either ice or syrup. Your sentiment is correct.

Don't give us false hope. That would be awesome!

All the while, below the surface the cracks had already started to form on the business side of things. Cedar Fair had still have not recovered from the lost revenue from the 2020 limited operating year. That was the seed that made them eventually look toward a merger.

I noticed that when I click a forum thread it always takes me back to the beginning of the thread rather than my last place I had read. Anyone else have this issue?

If they bought KI, they could very well sell KK. KK is a less than ideal situation. They don't own the land, there is a height limit and the scope of what the park will be able to draw compared to KI is limited.

Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is that those who had a 2026 meal plan and renew for 2027 with a non-unlimited meal plan are already "on the clock" for their 2027 meal count. That is, any meal they eat in 2026 after renewing counts against their total number of meals for next year. If true, THAT is without a doubt the biggest issue. Renewing your pass causes you to forfeit meals you already paid for. Totally asinine and dishonest.

Well, what do you know? They were a little more creative about it than I was, but they've already changed up the meal plan and are possibly setting the stage for a phaseout at a later date.

Enjoy a superior offering to what they get now.

1) You're on a Kings Island forum so you're going to see more talk about Kings Island -- both praise and criticism. 2) I think Kings Island's gap gets mentioned more because it is considered the better park by most, but also because Orion in the eyes of many was a disappointment unlike Copperhead Strike. In addition, Fury 325 made people happy for some time since it is the golden boy of B&M gigas and what Orion could have been with a bigger budget. 3) I've said similar things in the past, but I think the whining is pretty justified at this point. If we hold Kings Island to the standard of excellence it has always had, it is underperforming in many ways. Include in that standard is the frequency of major ride expenditures. We are customers after all, not a support group. 🙂

2019 was the year of Carowinds' last major install* before this. Following that same timing that could mean 2028 is Kings Island's year for a major installation... which is an unprecedented wait, but hopefully it's over after next season. I wouldn't mind seeing one of these at Kings Island. I'd prefer it over anything from B&M. * major install meaning costly attraction. Everything post-2019 has been a cheaper install.

I would have planted about 3 or 4 times as many trees and kept more existing ones when laying out the park. By now they'd be nice, mature shade trees.

Thanks for posting. They are very talented. With all that talent why don't they let them make true 3D raised lettering for The Racer's trains?

It's my #1 wooden coaster as well. It wasn't until I rode a night ride on Dollywood's Lightning Rod 10 years later, that anything wood or steel compared even closely in excitement and intensity. I love Mystic Timbers, but I think there is a market at Kings Island for a wooden coaster that is taller and faster (maybe even longer!) than The Beast (as long as it's properly executed this time). It's just rather unfortunate because wooden coasters are cheaper. For the money they spent on the ho-hum Orion they could have built the best wooden coaster in the world.

Add me to the list for restoring the Royal Fountain. It's just not the same; not even close.

Which is also about last time Action Zone got significant attention outside of Banshee. 🤷🏼‍♂️

I see it more like Action Zone is the untouched wing of the house with peeling wallpaper and beat up furniture. Adding something to The Vortex plot would be like putting in a pool into the landscaped backyard.

How many more years will it be around? That area is so ripe for redevelopment. Xtreme Skyflyer* Plot Congo Falls I like it but it's probably on borrowed time. Invertigo Timberwolf Action Zone is hurting so much more than the area by the old Vortex plot. * It's interesting that they got rid of Xtreme Skyflyer with no intention of replacing it with something in the short term. It must have been netting them zero money.

It's hard to distinguish the sarcastic from those who believe the park can do no wrong. Have you seen the Season Passholders Facebook group? It's unreal. Here, it's been kind of nice to see some people start to call out some things. We are in a low point in Kings Island history. Only the period from 2004-2006 rivals what we're seeing now.