Tomb Raider: Deparamounted

[kjkjkj]

So what is wrong with it? It isn't like it is a big secret is it?

[Dvo]

If they're moving scenery out of the ride to allow for accessibility, it seems like they'd be doing some serious work on the ride. Something maybe wrong with the ride mechanism, perhaps?

[hausty1983]

It was down this past Saturday the 4th but I didn't care much its no big deal to me I could live without it...

[TransAm78]

When i got there it was a big sigh of relief to see the ticker say "Rides closed today - Tomb Raider" Not that i dont like tomb raider, but it really needs to be operating 100% or not at all. Just my 2 cents.

Also i finally got a ride on Son of Beast, I havent been able to ride it since 2004, due to not going to the park, (2005 season), people not brave enough (or not stupid enough!!!) to ride it, or it being down.

[DeLorean Rider]

So what is wrong with it? It isn't like it is a big secret is it?

Oh just some things...

[The Interpreter]

and speaking of "de-Paramountizing"-- goodbye Nick-themes and HELLO Peanuts.

I thought that retheming "Beastie" to "Fairly Odd Coaster" was.... well.... stupid- but I'm not so sure that I'm ready to see "Snoopy's Red Baron Coaster"....

I think that CF will keep the license with Nick and maybe place those in their other parks. Peanuts is on its' way out same as HB. I doubt Peanuts will be coming to KI.

The Nick license has three more years left on it after this one. And Cedar Fair will KEEP that license if and only if:

a. they want to, and

b. they and Viacom can come to an agreement as to terms

During the last conference call, Mr. Kinzel hinted that talks to date have not been productive of an agreement (which is fancy talk for they want more money than we'd like to pay, I reckon...)

That's for Nick Universe. Each ride has its own, separate, license.

[KIfan73]

Wow, it sounded like it would be a really neat ride....

http://web.archive.org/web/19960101000000-...tomb_raider.jsp

[neo8820]

So what is wrong with it? It isn't like it is a big secret is it?

Oh just some things...

Why doesn't someone ask the Dippin Dots guy?

[deb]

I really hope they get it running the way it was when it first opened. I rode it in 2002, but I was a few weeks postpartum, and I was VERY ticked that I had a piece of metal stabbing me in the tailbone everytime I swung back. It seemed to be faster and less predictable then... I love this ride, I'd hate to see it not running.

deb

[kjkjkj]

So what is wrong with it? It isn't like it is a big secret is it?

Oh just some things...

Oh, well that helped a lot, thanks for clearing that up for me.

[DeLorean Rider]

No problem.

If anyone is interested, here is the patent information for Tomb Raider:

http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser...=DN/20040192453

If you download it it is in .tiff format so you may have to download a reader.

Here's an example of the images:

[kjkjkj]

thats pretty cool, Is TRTR supposed to reopen sometime soon?

[Monroe]

QUOTE

A"PLC" is just a form of a control board, there are several names it can go by. DCU, PCU, UCI, MCU, PLC, I could go on for about 10 lines. All of them are run from an external program and control relays either internal or external from the individual boards. Just because some one knows what that control device is called, does not mean that that individual knows how it all works. I personally have not worked on TR;TR, but I have worked on rides that are very similar. All of them have been different from one another, so I can not say for a fact how the ride is controlled. If it does use "PLC's", then I would Imagen it has several boards with external relays. But that is just a guess.

I never said you were wrong. I know what a PLC is, I've been inside all the cabinets before, Hell I've seen the cabinets removed and lying on the floor, and YES I know how they work. I've watched as the program was edited, and changed, and changed some more. I've watched as relays were replaced and redirected. All I was trying to say was that the ride program is not just a bios on a circuit board that just went out. Infact there wasnt anything that just "went out." Well of course right now the ride is facing some troubles that could cause it to be down all season... But that's beside the point; and that doesnt have anything to do with the ride program or the show program...

End Quote. From DeLorean Rider

Then why did you quote me in the first place and say that there is no ONE master board that just "went out", when I did not say there was just One master board, or any thing that just "went out". That is why I came back with the quote above. As for watching some one else program a "Ladder Logic" sequence, I have done that plenty of times. As a matter of fact I have programmed "Ladder Logic" to accept a sequence operation, it's called a DDC Direct Digital Control sequence. There are hundreds of programs just like "Ladder Logic", all of them use DDC. You are throwing around terms that sound fancy, but are really just every day control devices to those who work in the industry. On top of that, you are putting words on my keyboard, and I don't like that. That is why I wanted to point out that knowing a term or watching some one do some thing is nothing special and does not constitute knowledge of some thing. On the lighter side, I will cut you some slack if you can answer this question correctly. Is a standard wall light switch an analog or digital device?

I don't mean to get on your case, but it just gets my goat when some one acts like they know more than they really do. Granted I work in the industry and I may be a little more critical than others who may know very little on the control topic, but I also do not want any one to be miss led with big words. That is why I try to keep it simple.

Because my post was not all about you. Did I ever say you were wrong, no. I quoted you because I agreed with some of the things you said AND because you asked about the steam. It was SOB_TOM who mentioned the person that I was speaking of the "master-board".

Zach, I would love to know who your source is, however let me tell you somthing: I dont know who is calling a computer the "mega-board," but whoever it is is just trying to make themselves seem like they know what they are talking about. Its a desktop computer, nothing more. The control modules in the PLC room could have been removed, but I have never heard of a mega-board. However, from the sound of it, its a computer, a desktop computer.

Also if you read, all I said was,

"Though there are many relay cabinets, there is no ONE master board that just "went out".

In addition I was trying to say that the reason that the ride is down does not have to do with a problem within the PLC, "there was no ONE master board that just "went out."

In addition I wasnt trying to prove that there werent cabinets full of boards and relays on it, I was trying to say that the problem was not within the relay cabinets.

BOTTOM LINE:

The ride has many cabinets filled with relays, wires, and boards that are all programmed through a desktop computer with the ride program on it. Every time the ride runs the computer watches to make sure the ride hits every mark, doesnt trip any faults, doesnt exert to much power etc. Currently Tomb Raider the Rides problems, lie outside the realm of computer problems. Their current issues are a much more... mechanical...

Since you did not answer my question then I will not cut you any slack. Don't quote me and then give the impression that the quote is wrong, if I am wrong about some thing I usually am the first to admit it. If you quote some one and agree with them, then say that you agree with them. Don't make comments that make it sound like you are trying to correct the quote. My BOTTOM LINE is make comments that are appropriate to the person you are quoting. I personally don't care what is wrong with the ride, I have my own problems with the equipment I am working on. Also I thought that SOB_TOM was answering my question to Boddah1994 about his avatar, and had nothing to do with TR:TR. Boddah1994 answered that question before you even quoted me.

[DeLorean Rider]

QUOTE

A"PLC" is just a form of a control board, there are several names it can go by. DCU, PCU, UCI, MCU, PLC, I could go on for about 10 lines. All of them are run from an external program and control relays either internal or external from the individual boards. Just because some one knows what that control device is called, does not mean that that individual knows how it all works. I personally have not worked on TR;TR, but I have worked on rides that are very similar. All of them have been different from one another, so I can not say for a fact how the ride is controlled. If it does use "PLC's", then I would Imagen it has several boards with external relays. But that is just a guess.

I never said you were wrong. I know what a PLC is, I've been inside all the cabinets before, Hell I've seen the cabinets removed and lying on the floor, and YES I know how they work. I've watched as the program was edited, and changed, and changed some more. I've watched as relays were replaced and redirected. All I was trying to say was that the ride program is not just a bios on a circuit board that just went out. Infact there wasnt anything that just "went out." Well of course right now the ride is facing some troubles that could cause it to be down all season... But that's beside the point; and that doesnt have anything to do with the ride program or the show program...

End Quote. From DeLorean Rider

Then why did you quote me in the first place and say that there is no ONE master board that just "went out", when I did not say there was just One master board, or any thing that just "went out". That is why I came back with the quote above. As for watching some one else program a "Ladder Logic" sequence, I have done that plenty of times. As a matter of fact I have programmed "Ladder Logic" to accept a sequence operation, it's called a DDC Direct Digital Control sequence. There are hundreds of programs just like "Ladder Logic", all of them use DDC. You are throwing around terms that sound fancy, but are really just every day control devices to those who work in the industry. On top of that, you are putting words on my keyboard, and I don't like that. That is why I wanted to point out that knowing a term or watching some one do some thing is nothing special and does not constitute knowledge of some thing. On the lighter side, I will cut you some slack if you can answer this question correctly. Is a standard wall light switch an analog or digital device?

I don't mean to get on your case, but it just gets my goat when some one acts like they know more than they really do. Granted I work in the industry and I may be a little more critical than others who may know very little on the control topic, but I also do not want any one to be miss led with big words. That is why I try to keep it simple.

Because my post was not all about you. Did I ever say you were wrong, no. I quoted you because I agreed with some of the things you said AND because you asked about the steam. It was SOB_TOM who mentioned the person that I was speaking of the "master-board".

Zach, I would love to know who your source is, however let me tell you somthing: I dont know who is calling a computer the "mega-board," but whoever it is is just trying to make themselves seem like they know what they are talking about. Its a desktop computer, nothing more. The control modules in the PLC room could have been removed, but I have never heard of a mega-board. However, from the sound of it, its a computer, a desktop computer.

Also if you read, all I said was,

"Though there are many relay cabinets, there is no ONE master board that just "went out".

In addition I was trying to say that the reason that the ride is down does not have to do with a problem within the PLC, "there was no ONE master board that just "went out."

In addition I wasnt trying to prove that there werent cabinets full of boards and relays on it, I was trying to say that the problem was not within the relay cabinets.

BOTTOM LINE:

The ride has many cabinets filled with relays, wires, and boards that are all programmed through a desktop computer with the ride program on it. Every time the ride runs the computer watches to make sure the ride hits every mark, doesnt trip any faults, doesnt exert to much power etc. Currently Tomb Raider the Rides problems, lie outside the realm of computer problems. Their current issues are a much more... mechanical...

Since you did not answer my question then I will not cut you any slack. Don't quote me and then give the impression that the quote is wrong, if I am wrong about some thing I usually am the first to admit it. If you quote some one and agree with them, then say that you agree with them. Don't make comments that make it sound like you are trying to correct the quote. My BOTTOM LINE is make comments that are appropriate to the person you are quoting. I personally don't care what is wrong with the ride, I have my own problems with the equipment I am working on. Also I thought that SOB_TOM was answering my question to Boddah1994 about his avatar, and had nothing to do with TR:TR. Boddah1994 answered that question before you even quoted me.

Whatever. You caught me. I was definately out to soil your reputation. I'm sure you know exactly whats wrong with Tomb Raider right now. Happy Now?

Jeez its like Shakespeare's Much Ado About Nothing here.

[Monroe]

^You still don't get it. Amazing!!!!!!!

[DeLorean Rider]

^You still care. Amazing!!!!!!!!!

[kjkjkj]

So Is TRTR open yet?

[TOPGUN1993]

I doubt it but, seriously what do you think your missing?

POST 1500! yay

[kjkjkj]

Tomb Raider... lol

[hauntguy]

TR:TR will be closed the rest of the season. -Hauntguy

PS: This comes from a friend in the GR Office.

[kjkjkj]

The rest of the season for sure? Hopefully it won't be closed the whole rest of the season!

[TH13TEEN]

i think it will

[PKIVortex]

I heard the motors went out.

[The Interpreter]

I heard the motors went out.

Well, I certainly hope they enjoyed their evening. Must have been a heck of one to be hung over the rest of the season!

--The Interpreter, bad puns certainly intended

[Nate]

I have no problem with them not themeing the bigger rides but I think that if Cedar Fair redid the kids' area there would be major problems and a huge amount of business would be lost. KI has a top rate kids' area with Nick themeing but rides like Top Gun, and TR:TR I really couldn't care less.

[flightoffear1996]

I liked Tomb Raider when I first rode it but it soon lost its pep with the down fall of the theming and lack of a good top spin program. I think TR:TR is still one of the best top spins out there but it is in need of some serious TLC.

[The Interpreter]

I might agree with you, but see...I have ridden the Top Spin at Geauga Lake before Cedar Fair acquired the park. And I have ridden the Top Spin at Great Adventure. There are some severe programs for those babies! Cedar Fair usually does not use them...see Dorney Park for an example of a monotonous, boring Top Spin...with water jets that don't even come close to the gondola, even!

[flightoffear1996]

I been on the Texas Twister at GL and that thing was horrible and much much worse that Tomb Raider. Yea the program may have been more intense overall but the seats on the ride are horrible which makes for a horrible ride. Should I say horrible one more time.

[The Interpreter]

As run by Cedar Fair, I would agree with you. The ride was fantastic when the park was Six Flags Worlds Of Adventure (and those who know me know I was NO fan of Six Flags Worlds of Adventure).