A New name for Son of Beast

[DeLorean Rider]

Actually SOB is a very sad story. It was just not built well. The most prolific roller coaster designer ever made the blueprints then a company with very little experience (roller coaster corp. of America) built it.

Roller coaster corp of America only built one other wooden roller coaster and it sucked too! I forget the name but I just saw it yesterday and could get back to you. It was ALSO plagued with maintainece problems and needed to be re-designed after only a couple years.

I WONDER why SOB has problems.... coincidence?

If I had 3 wishes for KI:

1. SOB was built by a better company

2. Kenton's Cove Keelboat Canal was brought back instead of TR:TR

3. Food was better and REASONABLY PRICED.

Ummmm.....

RCCA did NOT build Son of Beast. It was slated to, but a subsidiary, the Ohio Coaster Corporation began building it, when suddenly Paramount Parks took over as general contractor. Many attribute the problems with Son of Beast to the building job done by Paramount Parks.

And RCCA was responsible for seven coasters, including Son of Beast, according to http://www.rcdb.com :

http://www.rcdb.com/ir.htm?contact=114

And yet, on Son of Beast's own rcdb page, we find RCCA as co-designer, with Paramount's Kings Island as the builder:

http://www.rcdb.com/id584.htm

See also the park's OWN fact sheet, where IT says Paramount's Kings Island was the builder:

http://www.rcdb.com/document31.htm

It's amazing what even the slightest bit of research will uncover, not to mention debunkify.

[AintNutinElse2Do]

Okay, hmm i don't want to step on anyone's toes but come on. Son of Beast is one of my favorite wood coasters ever and i've been on plenty. In the daytime I prefer it to Beast at night well we all know there's no better roller coaster than The Beast. Ya, so most of the people on here don't like Son of Beast. Let's not forget that most of us on here are also "enthusiasts" we are a completely different breed of people. Also, no we probably don't want the parks to really listen to just us. Thats the problem six flags has previously faced. Yeah if they listened to us we would absolutely love it. I'm sure the roller coasters would get ridiculously high and loopy. Yes I am picturing the 800 footer as I type (or the proposed coaster that goes over the golden gate bridge). Let's face it though "enthusiasts" are not the people that bring in the money to the park. We are the one's that generally know how to get the most fun on the least amount of money. While most all parks have respect for us we need to show respect to them as well and either start spending more money in the park or wait for them to build the next big thrill on their rotation not ours. But back to topic of this post simply just use the initials S.O.B. we all know what else that can stand for just let the guests fill in the blanks. not really though I guess that could cause conflicts

[Hank]

New name...PITA (pain in the ass)!

Or, better yet...Big Nothing!

[tubaman]

Son of Beast is one of my favorite wood coasters ever and i've been on plenty

Beleive me, your not the only one who likes it. I loved it the last time I rode it (KIC Day). But, I also understand that it causes most people pain, so some of the proposed names make me laugh.

[TH13TEEN]

New name...PITA (pain in the ass)!

Or, better yet...Big Nothing!

lol

[WooferBearATL]

Actually SOB is a very sad story. It was just not built well. The most prolific roller coaster designer ever made the blueprints then a company with very little experience (roller coaster corp. of America) built it.

Roller coaster corp of America only built one other wooden roller coaster and it sucked too! I forget the name but I just saw it yesterday and could get back to you. It was ALSO plagued with maintainece problems and needed to be re-designed after only a couple years.

I WONDER why SOB has problems.... coincidence?

If I had 3 wishes for KI:

1. SOB was built by a better company

2. Kenton's Cove Keelboat Canal was brought back instead of TR:TR

3. Food was better and REASONABLY PRICED.

Ummmm.....

RCCA did NOT build Son of Beast. It was slated to, but a subsidiary, the Ohio Coaster Corporation began building it, when suddenly Paramount Parks took over as general contractor. Many attribute the problems with Son of Beast to the building job done by Paramount Parks.

And RCCA was responsible for seven coasters, including Son of Beast, according to http://www.rcdb.com :

http://www.rcdb.com/ir.htm?contact=114

And yet, on Son of Beast's own rcdb page, we find RCCA as co-designer, with Paramount's Kings Island as the builder:

http://www.rcdb.com/id584.htm

See also the park's OWN fact sheet, where IT says Paramount's Kings Island was the builder:

http://www.rcdb.com/document31.htm

It's amazing what even the slightest bit of research will uncover, not to mention debunkify.

Yeah!

Thank Heavens that Roller Coaster Corp of America did not build SOB. Had they done so we may expect a ride that were poorly constructed, have excessive down time and be an uter-waste of money.

..... ohhhh .... Scratch that.

[Dvo]

^hahaha

Let's do ki a favor and release a couple million termites on SOB. Then we can just call it "food"

[Nate]

Or maybe the SOB should be left as is but with an excessivly unrealisticly long line for the front seat of the blue train so the rider actually has fun and doesn't have to fight for their life.

And another line for 1st time unsuspecting riders and riders with balls of steel who can tolerate even the most vicious "beat em up" rides. (Hey we do have one here lol)

[DropZone99]

How about name it "Best Wooden Roller Coaster In The World."

=]

[DeLorean Rider]

How about name it "Best Wooden Roller Coaster In The World."

=]

Great idea! One of those ironic names! Kind of like tiny for the big guy.

[standbyme]

How about name it "Best Wooden Roller Coaster In The World."

=]

There's also those pesky "Truth In Advertising" rules to contend with!

[Vortex]

Yes The Beast was made in house by Kings Island during the 1977-1979 season. The Beast opened in 1979 but was not finished till 1980.

If Kings Island took out SOB I wish they replace it with one of the old Coney Island coaster. I like to see the Shooting Star or the Wild Cat.

[Racerrider]

Actually SOB is a very sad story. It was just not built well. The most prolific roller coaster designer ever made the blueprints then a company with very little experience (roller coaster corp. of America) built it.

Roller coaster corp of America only built one other wooden roller coaster and it sucked too! I forget the name but I just saw it yesterday and could get back to you. It was ALSO plagued with maintainece problems and needed to be re-designed after only a couple years.

I WONDER why SOB has problems.... coincidence?

If I had 3 wishes for KI:

1. SOB was built by a better company

2. Kenton's Cove Keelboat Canal was brought back instead of TR:TR

3. Food was better and REASONABLY PRICED.

Ummmm.....

RCCA did NOT build Son of Beast. It was slated to, but a subsidiary, the Ohio Coaster Corporation began building it, when suddenly Paramount Parks took over as general contractor. Many attribute the problems with Son of Beast to the building job done by Paramount Parks.

And RCCA was responsible for seven coasters, including Son of Beast, according to http://www.rcdb.com :

http://www.rcdb.com/ir.htm?contact=114

And yet, on Son of Beast's own rcdb page, we find RCCA as co-designer, with Paramount's Kings Island as the builder:

http://www.rcdb.com/id584.htm

See also the park's OWN fact sheet, where IT says Paramount's Kings Island was the builder:

http://www.rcdb.com/document31.htm

It's amazing what even the slightest bit of research will uncover, not to mention debunkify.

Yeah!

Thank Heavens that Roller Coaster Corp of America did not build SOB. Had they done so we may expect a ride that were poorly constructed, have excessive down time and be an uter-waste of money.

..... ohhhh .... Scratch that.

Paramount Parks did sew the builder for ride deffects int the wooden structure (mostly the rosebowl) the day after the ride opened and once again after the incident last year

[The Interpreter]

Yes, Beast was built in house...but by very different people.

Beast is always listed to Charlie Dinn, but he was a Kings Island employee at the time. By the time Son of Beast was built, CCI was in operation, and owned by his daughter...Denise Dinn Larrick.

As for Racerrider, how on earth could Paramount Parks sue the builder of Son of Beast? Paramount Parks WAS the builder.

Sigh.

And I am not even going to touch the line further above where is it said we ALL know there's no better roller coaster than The Beast. As grand as it is, I, for one, know that in my humble opinion, that simply isn't the case...

[AintNutinElse2Do]

just to clarify I didn't say that we all know that The Beast is the best wooden roller coaster..... I said it was at night. That's really my opinion (and many others) but I love it when you go racing through the woods and just cant see where your going. They could do some really cool fear fest stuff on it. IMHO I don't think Beast is the best if you were only counting daytime rides for that I think Thunderhead is the best (but i've yet to ride voyage). For me though while thinking about it I really don't consider Voyage a true wooden coaster it's mostly steel. What are some other opinions on the whole hybrid thing. (BTW if KI ever decides to build a hybrid coaster it should be called "Metal Beast" or "Altered Beast" and hey maybe they could bring a loop or two)

[Browntggrr]

IMHO I don't think Beast is the best if you were only counting daytime rides for that I think Thunderhead is the best (but i've yet to ride voyage). For me though while thinking about it I really don't consider Voyage a true wooden coaster it's mostly steel. What are some other opinions on the whole hybrid thing.

First, perhaps a better way of explaining that you believe Beast is the best coaster, is simply stating that "It is the best coaster I have been on at night, so far". Amazingly enough, there are many other great coasters outside of Ohio.

And Voyage is not a hybrid, it is a wooden coaster, with steel supports.

[AintNutinElse2Do]

okay yes i am very aware there are great coasters outside of Ohio. Oh my goodness becky why didn't I know that. Anywho look at my avatar and my location.... it's not ohio. So you say Voyage is a wooden coaster with steel supports..... let me see if you take an electric engine and put it with a gas engine you get a hybrid engine.... so why wouldnt it work when you take a wooden track and put it on a metal structure.... see it's the same theory.... the structure makes a difference in the ride experience ie: sob... so i would in no way call Voyage a true wooden coaster.... i just don't think it fits the criteria

[Browntggrr]

let me see if you take an electric engine and put it with a gas engine you get a hybrid engine.... so why wouldnt it work when you take a wooden track and put it on a metal structure.... see it's the same theory

No it is not the same theory. Not even close. The trains on Voyage still travel on the same type of tracks that are on Beast, SoB, Racer etc. Thus considered a wooden coaster by industry standards.

http://www.rcdb.com/id3231.htm

Your theory is not even correct for coasters that have steel tubular tracks, with wood supports like Gemini, CCMR, and AE. Each one is considered a steel coaster.

http://www.rcdb.com/id14.htm

Now, in both cases, the structure is a hybrid. But the coaster type is exactly what the trains run on. For more info, see here: http://www.KICentral.com/forums/index.php?...c=10369&hl=

[AintNutinElse2Do]

okay well the theory is that a theory please look up the definition of a theory before you say mine is wrong.... i do however agree with you that they have labeled Voyage a wooden coaster.... i just merely feel that its not a true "wooden coaster"..... come on think about it wood and steel flex, expand, etc in different ways.... these do affect the way a coaster travels on it's tracks whether it be steel or wood..... now yes maybe rcdb and other people consider a steel structure with wooden track a wooden coaster..... you think the man behind the Coney Island Cyclone would look at the Voyage and say that they were the same type of coaster.... no i just feel that they should be in different categories....

[Gordon Bombay]

Even SOB contains quite a few steel supports for extra bracing, even more so now due to the state inspectors orders following last years accident so I guess since SOB has some steel supports in it by your theory its a hybrid coaster not a true wooden coaster.

[AintNutinElse2Do]

a few steel supports here and there is a far bit different then the entire structure don't ya think

[Gordon Bombay]

Not according to your theory.

[Browntggrr]

Just so we all know...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory

My particular favorite line is:

: According to Stephen Hawking in A Brief History of Time, "a theory is a good theory if it satisfies two requirements: It must accurately describe a large class of observations on the basis of a model which contains only a few arbitrary elements, and it must make definite predictions about the results of future observations".

[AintNutinElse2Do]

Just so we all know...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory

My particular favorite line is:

: According to Stephen Hawking in A Brief History of Time, "a theory is a good theory if it satisfies two requirements: It must accurately describe a large class of observations on the basis of a model which contains only a few arbitrary elements, and it must make definite predictions about the results of future observations".

Okay so what your saying is that if it fits those two requirements at least to a large group (which it does even if its not you) and the arbitary elements are there and on an on I would have a good theory.... thanks for supplying me that definition I guess I might just never had known without your sweet and sincere kindness..... listen I'm gonna drop this really it's not worth the time really it's not... all I was trying to convey in my opinion and many other's a true wooden coaster has both wooden tracks and a wooden structure.... sure your absolutely right that the industry likes to label Voyage and similar coasters as a wooden coaster.... IMHO i think thats more to convey the difference between them and the steel coasters most think of..... I don't think Voyage should be in the same category as Vortex I just don't think it should be in the same category as Beast either.... there is major differences in the way the coaster rides.... that's all i'm saying if the technical term for the industry isn't hybrid I think there should be another category.... and I hope that you all can realize that this is my opinion and i'm not trying to change yours..... this is just a topic i've discussed in great length with many of my friends and they agree with me that while similar it is different... that's all i was really saying is that it's different.......... if you don't like that vote for communism next go round... because dear i'm entitled to think that Voyage isn't a true wooden coaster.... and also I don't have to think just because a wooden coaster has some metal bracing that it falls into the same jurisdiction.... i'm sorry it just don't..... anywho that's about all i have to say about that

[Browntggrr]

Well first, it wasn't me saying that, it was Stephen Hawking.

Second, no reason to thank me. Thank Wikipedia.

anywho that's about all i have to say about that

After that comment, do you just love Forrest Gump or what?

okay well the theory is that a theory

[The Interpreter]

okay well the theory is that a theory please look up the definition of a theory before you say mine is wrong.... i do however agree with you that they have labeled Voyage a wooden coaster.... i just merely feel that its not a true "wooden coaster"..... come on think about it wood and steel flex, expand, etc in different ways.... these do affect the way a coaster travels on it's tracks whether it be steel or wood..... now yes maybe rcdb and other people consider a steel structure with wooden track a wooden coaster..... you think the man behind the Coney Island Cyclone would look at the Voyage and say that they were the same type of coaster.... no i just feel that they should be in different categories....

You do realize the Coney Island Cyclone is built on steel supports, right? Just like Comet at The Great Escape in New York State, Twisted Twins at Kentucky Kingdom, Hoosier Hurricane and Cornball Express at Indiana Beach, The Great White at Wildwood, New Jersey and on and on and on...

[WooferBearATL]

Just so we all know...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory

My particular favorite line is:

: According to Stephen Hawking in A Brief History of Time, "a theory is a good theory if it satisfies two requirements: It must accurately describe a large class of observations on the basis of a model which contains only a few arbitrary elements, and it must make definite predictions about the results of future observations".

Brown, did you really just use wikipedia as a reference?

[DeLorean Rider]

You do realize the Coney Island Cyclone is built on steel supports, right? Just like Comet at The Great Escape in New York State, Twisted Twins at Kentucky Kingdom, Hoosier Hurricane and Cornball Express at Indiana Beach, The Great White at Wildwood, New Jersey and on and on and on...

Haha, funny, I was about to say the exact same thing about the cyclone.

[Browntggrr]

Brown, did you really just use wikipedia as a reference?

Basic is as basic does...

[Dvo]

If I make a hamburger that is 70% lean, and another hamburger that's 90% lean, they are both still hamburgers, right?