The Interpreter Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 VERY interesting update: http://www.dallasnews.com/news/metro/20130720-how-we-will-find-answers-in-death-on-six-flags-texas-giant-coaster.ece * Investigation likely to be internal * Victim's Family May Have Attorney * Gerstlauer Confirms Restraints Do NOT Click 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieseltech20 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Park employees should be trained to determine whether a safety bar is in a safe position in relation to a person’s body weight, Martin said. It’s not known if the Six Flags employee who checked the safety restraint of Esparza, who was a large woman, took that into account. I was afraid this would play into the accident. I have always had a problem with those of "Exceptional Size" being jammed into a seat. Just doesn't seem safe to me. I would rather be told no than to die from an improperly secured restraint. I feel terrible for the kids that had to witness this happen to their mother. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeTe27 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Park employees should be trained to determine whether a safety bar is in a safe position in relation to a person’s body weight, Martin said. It’s not known if the Six Flags employee who checked the safety restraint of Esparza, who was a large woman, took that into account. I was afraid this would play into the accident. I have always had a problem with those of "Exceptional Size" being jammed into a seat. Just doesn't seem safe to me. I would rather be told no than to die from a failed restraint. I feel terrible for the kids that had to witness this happen to their mother. As a woman of "exceptional size" I had an incident on FOF about 4 years ago where a ride op was trying to force the lap bar down enough to have the seat belt click on the side of the train. I told the ride op " if you have to do all of this to allow me to ride that's crazy, unsafe, and point blank i'm not riding" The ride ops did let me off the ride. I enjoy roller coasters, but it's not worth dying over just to get on one. I can't ride DB due to my thighs(I tried the test seat and it did not turn green). but that's okay. I don't want to be jammed in just to be able to ride. I feel very sorry for the victim who apparently didn't feel safe in the restraint and I feel sorry for the family having to see this happen to her. Prayers for the family! 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTW Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 It seems like most people aren't that honest with themselves. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedevariouseffect Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 ^Very true... Any of the ride ops here can all tell stories and stories... My though...as a ride op I would hate to have this happen to my crew, myself, or while I was on shift...its not just the family that's affected, these employees, wow...I can't even imagine what they're feeling at this point. To hit e stop, make that call, and close the ride down amidst all of this...just wow, I can't even imagine 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 And the ride op may have done absolutely nothing wrong. It could be a mechanical failure. A summer job. Fun. A bit of money. Then this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markr Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Aren't most coasters set up so that a computer will disable dispatch unless the restraints are completely locked? Just wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedevariouseffect Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Yes it will dispatch only when criteria is met for a safe dispatch and is cleared by ride ops, however once you hit dispatch and roll out of the station, its up to the restraints and safety systems on the train to do its job, the computer doesn't track data and work with the train like that during its course. The only thing the plc works with after dispatch is anything to move trains, and the block systems 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markr Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Yes it will dispatch only when criteria is met for a safe dispatch and is cleared by ride ops, however once you hit dispatch and roll out of the station, its up to the restraints and safety systems on the train to do its job, the computer doesn't track data and work with the train like that during its course. The only thing the plc works with after dispatch is anything to move trains, and the block systems I know its too early to tell but this would seem to indicate that this accident had nothing to do with the ride operator's actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedevariouseffect Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 The ride operators may have secured the restraint, but failed to make sure the rider met the riders safety guidelines for that particular ride. For instance the guy at darien lake. His harnesses were both secured by ride ops and OK, however, he did not meet the guidelines (above knee bilateral amputee) therefore operator error. The plc only gets a yes or no if the restraints are secured and the system meets criteria to dispatch, that's it. Everything else revolves on knowledge and eyes of ride operators. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 That wasn't Darien. That was SFNE. EDIT: Sigh. It was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungStud Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 It was darien. Guy on supes in 04 at sfne had his legs. I am a intamin historian. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Indeed, you are right. Darien had an incident with ejection the weekend it opened as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedevariouseffect Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Yeah that was, 08JUL11 on ride of steel. I remember that day as Millie shut down for a bit, then had bill spehn, security, and ride ops heavily screening people that afternoon and the next few days 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungStud Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Hopefully we have not seen the last of the Intamin ejector machines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Hopefully we have not seen the last of the Intamin ejector machines. You mean that we have seen the last. One ejection is one too many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungStud Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 The reason that intamin uses OTSR's on some of their recent coasters is because of the abrupt braking at the end of the course. Skyrush has pretty good ejector though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCrypt Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 I find it hard to believe that's the only reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungStud Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 it is. if you have been on Ka or I305 you are flying into the brakes, they are afraid of someone in Merica suing since you get slung forward so abruptly. I love the new restraints/trains 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCrypt Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 That doesn't look like an OTSR, and it looks like a very recent Intamin coaster. Claim void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungStud Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 That doesn't look like an OTSR, and it looks like a very recent Intamin coaster. Claim void. That is correct, it is on sky rush. Like I said, I like the new intamin restraint/trains.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungStud Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Ka's http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Kingda_Ka_train.jpg Before I305 got retrofitted It hurt me to ride those cause of my jacked shoulders. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark6495 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Diamondback has easily the most sophisticated lap bar safety system in the entire park. Why are we comparing it to Texas giant? B&M has a reputation for building safe and reliable rides. This unrelated event on a very dissimilar ride should not be causing this sudden obsession with the lap bars failing on Diamondback. You will never spend a second in motion on Diamondback without a secured lap bar, so don't worry about it. Never say never. Freak accidents can happen... I have always been a fan of the second or third fail safe of a seat belt. It may not do much more than just keep you from falling out in the end. I look at a ride like Vortex. If the restraint fails in the cork screw at least a seat belt would help keep the restraint from flinging open.... I already worry about these big massive machines breaking down and putting the rider in danger... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderbeast1968 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 I am pretty large in size (height/weight) 6'5" 265LBS. I have been on several coasters that I hear that "click" several times. With that being said, I have experienced myself, having my lap bar comfortable (at least two clicks) but I have a little room for comfort. Then the ride op comes by and shoves down on the restraint even more. This makes it uncomfortable to some extent. Hearing this sad and tragic story, makes me glad they do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 The New Texas Giant restraints do NOT click. They do not ratchet. They are infinitely variable. This is important, given the widely reported "witness's" so-called account. Like Shaggy, I do not find it credible. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 German Company To Inspect Coaster: http://m.nbcdfw.com/nbcdfw/pm_108123/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=JI1Q2LYv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlaughterHouseRat Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Park employees should be trained to determine whether a safety bar is in a safe position in relation to a persons body weight, Martin said. Its not known if the Six Flags employee who checked the safety restraint of Esparza, who was a large woman, took that into account. I was afraid this would play into the accident. I have always had a problem with those of "Exceptional Size" being jammed into a seat. Just doesn't seem safe to me. I would rather be told no than to die from a failed restraint.I feel terrible for the kids that had to witness this happen to their mother. As a woman of "exceptional size" I had an incident on FOF about 4 years ago where a ride op was trying to force the lap bar down enough to have the seat belt click on the side of the train. I told the ride op " if you have to do all of this to allow me to ride that's crazy, unsafe, and point blank i'm not riding" The ride ops did let me off the ride. I enjoy roller coasters, but it's not worth dying over just to get on one. I can't ride DB due to my thighs(I tried the test seat and it did not turn green). but that's okay. I don't want to be jammed in just to be able to ride. I feel very sorry for the victim who apparently didn't feel safe in the restraint and I feel sorry for the family having to see this happen to her. Prayers for the family! My husband is 6'6" and not a tiny guy. He too had the same happen at FoF. There were 2 teens trying to use their feet to get the restraints to lock while my husband kept saying "just let me out, it's ok. No need to hurt me, make everyone wait and possibly damage the restraints for a ride." They kept insisting they could get him in til I finally grabbed the guys arm and told him to STOP. I rode and when we were done, called a super to explain why it wasn't needed. I figure it more common for larger people to whine about how unjust it is that the rides cater to smaller bodies, so the attendants get in the habit of slamming and jamming to make it happen. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voicetek Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 I've always worried about something like this happening on Diamondback. I doubt that it ever would, but you can't help from keeping thoughts like that from running through your mind as you're hanging completely forward right at the the top of the hill. I know I've always said that I'd feel 100% safer if there was a secondary system such as a seatbelt. I know you probably don't need it, but I know for a fact that it would ease my mind. Supposedly you can ride this ride with no restraint and come back safe and sound? I'm not sure I completely believe this. I know on that first hill, just as you're about to go down, you're sort of hanging there looking straight down. I'm always falling forward with all of my weight on the lap restraint. I find it absolutely impossible to lean back in my seat when you're hanging there at that angle. I don't know, I just don't see how a second type of restraint could really hurt anything. I'd say I'd rather be safe than sorry! Nothing wrong with being too safe, is there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanna Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Not the best place to list pet peeves, but here goes. In the comments section of one of the many stories carrying this, someone posted that it was time to treat heavier people the way smokers are treated. No! Let's not do this. There are myriad reasons for why a person would be heavy, and if people were to attempt this stunt, I would definitely have to go to battle. We don't need more of that. Pick on me if you want, but don't point barbs at someone who possibly CANNOT help their condition. Also, with makeshift memorials, why do people put stuffed animals as a tribute to someone who cannot possibly appreciate it? I'm seeing pictures at the entrance of The Texas Tornado with a stuffed animal as a memorial tribute. Every time I see toys at a memorial, (And I probably think this way due to the kindness of Ruth Lyons,) I think, there are hospital wards throughout the state where a child would love to have that toy to cheer them up. Why let the toys get wet and dirty in the weather by putting it in a memorial? Let some child appreciate it, instead. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark6495 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Same reason people make signs or put flowers on a tomb stone. Sometimes the memorial is to help the grieving versus the dead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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