thekidd33 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 I'm not 100% sure what all Cedar Point Analyst Day entailed but the release from Cedar Fair offered some interesting insights into future capital investments. Particularly that: -There are major coasters planned each year through 2020 (no surprise there) -"Coaster Re-Work" Projects for 2016-2018 -Mid-size Thrill Rides for 2016-2017 & 2019-2020 -Interactive Dark Rides for 2016-2019 -Water Park additions for 2016-2019 -Kids/Tweens attractions for 2016-2020 -Perhaps most interestingly "Accommodations" planned for 2017 & 2019. -Ride Removals for 2016-2018. I highly suggest reading through the whole document. The oft talked about pie chart breaking down park by park revenues and EBITDA is also present. **************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** Obviously lots will change between now and 2020 but if we use this as a baseline for what to expect the next few years it looks like the trend of one giant project each year with a couple mid-size projects is going to be the norm. With CW and Knott's already having interactive dark rides and 4 more being planned I think it is safe to say that both CP and KI will be receiving one over this period. It will also be interesting to see what exactly the accommodation expenditures will be. It would appear that the rumors of a Carowinds on-site hotel may have some legs here. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 You mean Cedar Fair analyst day, NOT Cedar Point analyst day? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekidd33 Posted August 11, 2015 Author Share Posted August 11, 2015 Actually the release is titled "Cedar Point Analyst Day" but it could certainly be a typo on their end. Edit: Or is most likely what dtk1378 said below. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtk1378 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 My assumption would be that it's for Cedar Fair but the meeting was held at Cedar Point hence the title. Glancing at the PDF looks like the meeting is for Cedar Fair as a whole. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBEASTunchained Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Wow, I'm currently about half-way through reading the presentation..... .....Interesting. FUN, FUN, and more FUN !! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Note in the breakdowns of revenue and EBITDA by park a park is missing. That park appears in the map showing each of the Parks' locations and logos, but apparently on both revenue and EBITDA it isn't even a rounding error. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtk1378 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 I noticed that too, maybe that revenue was just too low to even make a sliver onto the pie, or maybe that revenue just washed away... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Or maybe the briefing focused on FUN Forward.... And the EBITDA for said park may be (negative). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindingSon Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Note in the breakdowns of revenue and EBITDA by park a park is missing. That park appears in the map showing each of the Parks' locations and logos, but apparently on both revenue and EBITDA it isn't even a rounding error. At least that Kingdom will probably be open next year. That's a probably though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I think it a better bet that the one in Kentucky will be. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindingSon Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Yeah, you're probably right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Note from the presentation that Cedar Fair's head food honcho has a year with the company. That may explain a lot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterfanatic83 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Very cool to read- especially the marketing stuff. As a soon-to-be marketing grad, this is a lot of fun to look at. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperial79 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I like reading this stuff too! It does show they aren't done taking out rides. And more park upgrades is on the way! I hope Kings Island gets more of that treatment. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldschool75 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I'm not 100% sure what all Cedar Point Analyst Day entailed but the release from Cedar Fair offered some interesting insights into future capital investments. Particularly that: -There are major coasters planned each year through 2020 (no surprise there) -"Coaster Re-Work" Projects for 2016-2018 -Mid-size Thrill Rides for 2016-2017 & 2019-2020 -Interactive Dark Rides for 2016-2019 -Water Park additions for 2016-2019 -Kids/Tweens attractions for 2016-2020 -Perhaps most interestingly "Accommodations" planned for 2017 & 2019. -Ride Removals for 2016-2018. Let append this here Sent from a signal coming out of the Vega system. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindingSon Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I'm beginning to think you don't like Vortex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldschool75 Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 The first 10 years were great, but as you get older and the coaster gets older; you just find yourself disagreeing with each other. Lol. Time for something new, smooth, and more enjoyable. Vortex will be 29 years old next year. It's worn out literally. Sent from a signal coming out of the Vega system. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medford Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 How is it worn out "literally"? I'd say it gives pretty much the same ride today as it did when I was a kid. My body handles it different, but it always beat me around as a kid a bit. I enjoy the ride as much today as I did 25 years ago or whenever I first rode it, just can't ride it 3-4 times in a row like I did back then. There are plenty of other spaces you can add a new roller coaster to around the park, no need to tear one out just because it doesn't suit you. Its also the only looping coaster in the park at the 48" requirement, giving young kids their first chance at inversions. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoChickens Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I get tired of saying this, I'm 51 years old, some of my best Vortex rides have came in the last 2 seasons. This coaster is one of the best Arrow Loopers ever made. It broke 3 records when it opened. If you ride in 5-1 or 7-1, it really isn't off par with any "modern" looper. I got off Kumba feeling about the same as a Vortex ride. I don't get the "remove Vortex" thing. If you don't want to ride it , don't. It holds special memories to some, myself included. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 And 1-1 is also a special, splendid experience. I've already lost Great American Scream Machine at NJFTP, which I'd ridden many more times. Let us old folk have our pleasures. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindingSon Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 My god I did 1-1 earlier this year and it was almost an out of body experience. As in I felt my skin was going to fall off of my body. It was so forceful and jarring. And I loved it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonODiamondback Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 I have read that CF is going to be removing the Arrows from there parks I hate to see Vortex go but right now it's an eye sore. They need to repaint it clean it up or just trash it. Wouldn't mind seeing a floorless coaster go in its place with the same lay out. As for the ride I think if your over 6/1 it's ok but us short guys like me it's pretty rough. I still love to ride it I just have to hang on for dear life when I do. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonODiamondback Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 I have read that CF is going to be removing the Arrows from their parks I hate to see Vortex go but right now it's an eye sore. They need to repaint it clean it up or just trash it. Wouldn't mind seeing a floorless coaster go in its place with the same lay out. As for the ride I think if your over 6/1 it's ok but us short guys like me it's pretty rough. I still love to ride it I just have to hang on for dear life when I do. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk My god I did 1-1 earlier this year and it was almost an out of body experience. As in I felt my skin was going to fall off of my body. It was so forceful and jarring. And I loved it. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 The place you read that wasn't Screamscape was it? If so, it's often as reliable as a Magic 8-Ball. Of course, Lance has been known to go back and edit out or even change incorrect prophesies. That being said, he really does have an Inside Track (Hi, Mark Wyatt--wherever you are) with a few parks. Read it with a pinch (but not a ton) of salt. Kind of like Wikipedia, but less so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindingSon Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 The last piece of info I could find on this was Lance saying that back in 2012. Arrow loopers removed in CF parks since: 0 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Point made. He had said this again recently...before this year's Cedar Fair announcements. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindingSon Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Amount of times these rumors have made Don perturbed: At least once. Probably several more. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 A good PR person, which Don most certainly is, could be perturbed for various reasons in that regard. As for me, I read Facebook comments once. That was enough for me. Terp, who has written far more than one press release and/or highly sensitive tactful letters in his day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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