fryler87 Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 If the loop were to come down, why not just leave that dip right in there? Tunnels, anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beastfan11 Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 The loops there.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejoker8388 Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 Well we've now seen that the loop is still there. Now my question is if there actually are plans of removing the loop or if some members on this site are full of crap and a sense of knowledge, power, and self importance that they don't have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 You may want to check the dates of those pictures and then check when the SOB rumors started by a few photos by Shman, before you start to accuse others of what they know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOPGUN1993 Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Well we've now seen that the loop is still there. Now my question is if there actually are plans of removing the loop or if some members on this site are full of crap and a sense of knowledge, power, and self importance that they don't have. This picture http://photos.pkicentral.com/albums/userpi...lyover4%7E0.jpg was taken Dec. 3rd before the loop rumor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beastfan11 Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 ooooo I see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Things are not as they seem, Skim milk masquerades as cream. Marshall McLuhan--author of, among other things, The Media is the Massage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Bombay Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 If the loop came down it came down awful fast... Pictures taken December 3rd show absolutley no equipment back or near the entire ride, not even one truck. Then 3 days later on December 6th we get the first word from shman and cyoung that its gone. Shman actually delivers what might be proof where as cyoung is just claiming that its gone. The next day on Dec. 7th shman returns to get more pictures, still no loop. Now look at it this way...Theres absolutely nothing but som tarp on the 3rd and within 3 days theyve gotten a crane in there and removed the loop but by the time shman goes on his lunch break the crane is not in view anymore and on Dec. 7th no crane or equipment anywhere around the park is seen. They must have done that awfully quick. Not that I dont think it is a possibility the loop is gone but two new trains from PTC would cost probably close to two million dollars and I'm sure Intamin, millenium flyer, or any other quality trains are not cheap either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beastfan11 Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 I don't find this to be ture but on rcdb.com it syas that SOB's loop is supported by steel but made of wood-? Im pretty sure its all steel. http://www.rcdb.com/document31.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 RCDB is right. The supports are steel, but the loop's track, like the rest, IS wood laminate with the rails mounted to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastersRZ Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Yes, as the Interpreter said, the wood laminations support the steel running rails in the loop. The loop structure is steel, like The Voyage`s at Holiday World. But there is wood track all the way around the loop. They have a cherry picker parked along side the loop so that the crews can inspect the wood track in the loop each morning, since there is no catwalk through the loop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclaimer Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 The park just hired Spiderman into the wood coaster maintenance division. They just got rid of the cherry picker. ...at least, that's what a good friend's source inside the park that is good friends with the Lemon Chill guy who is good friends with Dick Kinzel told me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 ...being as it would be hard to walk upside down...unless the inspector were a spider! --The Interpreter, who will be here all week EDIT: Ooopsie, I see Reclaimer and I had the same thought at almost the same time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 I agree but I don’t think we would see any vehicles around The SOB on a Sunday during the month of December. Could it be possible for them to start on a Monday morning to prep the area for the removal of the loop on a Wednesday, and then bring in a large mobile crane to lower it and to be finished by midday then be packed up and out by 4 pm. That would indeed be pretty impressive efficient work but is doable. As seen in the photo examples below. Every year in September Disney usually changes and performs maintenance on the castle and some items to be placed or removed are large heavy pieces such as the Castle Bling above the main Doors. Disney brings in a large crane and parks in the back of the castle then when guests leave for the day they raise this mobile crane and perform the necessary work at night over a span of about 8 hours. Afterwards they take down the crane to either remove it from the park or leave it at the park to hide it away so the guest won’t have ready access to it. Or be forced to see the operators of such machinery. Now the simple fact is sometimes they just need a crane to be brought in to do some simple maintenance to a hard to reach area, so they attach a cherry picker to the crane to accomplish these types of tasks. So I really think that it is possible to have a crane in and out of Kings Island in one day, I don’t think that anyone can guess as to the task that the crane was there to due at this point. Let’s keep the discussion going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejoker8388 Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 You may want to check the dates of those pictures and then check when the SOB rumors started by a few photos by Shman, before you start to accuse others of what they know. I'm not accusing anyone of anything yet. If you look at what I said, I stated that I wondered which it was, giving people the benefit of the doubt for now. I just simply wonder if this is an actual rumor or more like the one started last year, where 5-10 people all claimed they "knew from an inside source" that a spongebob coaster was coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRider Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 The logistics of getting a crane large enough to handle the loop on site and set up would not happen in one day. I know they make large portable cranes that can roll in and then roll out, but ususally when dealing with any type of crane it arrives on site before demolition or construction begins 1 to 2 days prior to begin setup and testing of the unit before the other work crews arrive. Nothing worse than to have your full work crew on site and then have a crane show up that isnt functioning properly. Also the SoB loop removal rumors is nothing more than a rumor to throw a wrench in to the talk of X-Flight coming. How active was the X-Flight topic during this time frame? It was nonexistent so now the info pointing towards X-Flight coming has made us all excited and giddy more so than if we would have kept talking about it. But here is an interesting thougth, if they were going to remove the loop, wouldnt it make more sense to wait to disassemble it with the cranes on site for X-Flight construction. That way you arent paying for double equipment and logistical costs of transporting equipment twice. So disassemble the loop before you assemble X-Flight would make more sense from a cost standpoint. Cranes arent cheap... RailRider still adding fuel to the fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYoung2003 Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Maybe they keep the cranes until the offseaon is over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIBeast Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 What about this photo that CoastersNSich found? http://photos.pkicentral.com/thumbnails.php?album=177]Son of Beast[/url]. If the date on that photo is the 12th, then the loop is still there, unless that is the date it was posted and not taken. I found out the date by moving the arrow over the pic. It also looks like there is are being cleared by FOF in the other photos, which leads me to believe that X-Flight is also coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRTR Guy Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 They j ust had an article about SOB on channel 5 news and they showed the are where the loop should be, but no loop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 From ChannelCincinnati.com: MASON -- A report from the Ohio Department of Agriculture said Wednesday that a design flaw was responsible for a rough ride that injured 27 people at Kings Island in July. The report said an engineering firm hired to investigate concluded the primary cause of the failure on the Son of Beast rollercoaster was a deficiency in the design of the structure that allowed a vertical wooden support –- a bent leg –- to crack because it could not support the weight. The failure of one bent leg led to the failure of two other bent legs, causing a slight dip in the track. This resulted in a pothole effect, injuring riders, the report said. The ODA said certain actions have to be taken by Kings Island before it will license the ride to operate again: Hire a qualified engineering firm to conduct a detailed review of the entire structural design Complete all structural modifications to eliminate design deficiencies Complete all structural modifications to stiffen the structure and reduce lateral movement Strengthen wood components and connections to ensure structural integrity. Metal chain plates should be added to strengthen wood components and metal split rings should be added to strengthen bolted connections The ODA said it will make a decision on whether to allow the ride to reopen after receiving certification from Kings Island’s engineer that the improvements have been properly completed. News 5's Emily Longnecker will have the latest on this story later Wednesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYoung2003 Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 There ya go theres your proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Picard Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 There ya go theres your proof. Proof of no decision on whether to allow the ride to reopen. It was like they knew it could not support the weight back when they removed a car from the trains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRider Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 We have had confirmation from Maureen that SoB will reopen. Remember when it comes to KI this site is more up to the date than any other local news source. This really isnt groundbreaking news, but it does verify what myself and many others have said all along, the structure and materials were defective and not the track itself. I think it also alludes to new trains that are lighter, because the Premier trains beat the structure up because of their sheer weight. Less weight, less structure fatigue and movement, should equal smoother ride. No Loop, Very Sad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Picard Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 We have not had confirmation from ODA. No one is saying they are not going to but they haven't yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastersRZ Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Well, before Kings Island can reopen the ride, the engineer that they hire has to sign off that all their reccomendations to fix the design flaws were completed. Then, and only then, can Kings Island even ask the state to certify the ride for public operation. I wouldn`t be too surprised if the enginnering firm that Cedar Fair/Kings Island hires is already working on the job. Yes, it is ashame that the only looping wooden coaster in the world is loosing its loop, but if it means a more enjoyable and safer ride experience, than it is better for all parties involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIBeast Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Now the question is, what will replace the loop? An airtime hill? A drop into a tunnel? This is getting interesting. I wonder if the no loop has more to do with the new trains as opposed to anything structural. I don't remember the structure of the loop being in question. Never mind, answered here...SOB loses its' loop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beastfan11 Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Sooo they are made of wood...hmmm I c Spiderman... wow lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kwindshawne Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Well, before Kings Island can reopen the ride, the engineer that they hire has to sign off that all their reccomendations to fix the design flaws were completed. Then, and only then, can Kings Island even ask the state to certify the ride for public operation. I wouldn`t be too surprised if the enginnering firm that Cedar Fair/Kings Island hires is already working on the job. Yes, it is ashame that the only looping wooden coaster in the world is loosing its loop, but if it means a more enjoyable and safer ride experience, than it is better for all parties involved. It was a great idea, not practical. If we need a loop "fix", just go to Vortex. I still have to watch what happens-I still don't trust Son-but like my smart a** said earlier, I have health insurance as of Jan. 1. In all seriousness, I will be surprised if they are able to insure it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIBeast Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 If they weren't going to be able to insure the ride, they wouldn't be trying to fix it. It would have just been torn down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kwindshawne Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 If they weren't going to be able to insure the ride, they wouldn't be trying to fix it. It would have just been torn down. Sometimes it takes a while for that to be determined. I just now realized the full gravity of the final two paragraphs of the failure report. Go under global considerations, the second paragraph and really let that sink in folks-for you engineering students-does that sound like the end to you? It does to me-especially the one sentence "The extent of modifications that have been made to the original structure over the few short years of the SOB's life is particularly troubling." That is the seed of doubt to the structural breakdown I was referring to in earlier posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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