Paramount did ONE good thing!

[UncleHenry]

Paramount did a great job. Don't tell me none of you like Action Zone.

And stop your whining about Tiques and IJST! Tiques had horrid capacity, and don't even get me started on having to use gasoline to run that ride. These were VERY good reasons to get rid of Tiques. Sure, I miss them too, but they had their good reasons to lose Tiques, and since they were planning of removing Tiques, I'm sure that is the reason they put IJST in there, it was going to be an empty space anyway.

[Mikewhy]

Well, I AM going to whine about losing both the Tiques and the Eagles for IJST. IJST should have been placed somewhere else and those beloved rides saved. If the Tiques were low capacity, they always could have opened the other side like the old days, this doubling capacity. As for the gasoline, they could have always updated the ride to use electric cars like you see at some parks. There are always options, especially when trying to save a great family ride that helps round out the park's offerings.

I also feel a heavy heart when I see the old area where the Eagles were and the Tiques. I doubt I will ever stop "whining" about it! (I only do that because I DO love the park.)

[UncleHenry]

Seriously, it's a ride, get over it. Scooters was not lost, it was moved. If you love it so much, go to Carowinds. If you love Tiques so much, go to Holiday World. The park has their reasons for that decision.

I love IJST. I think it has a good location. It fits well with the Coney Mall feel.

And if anyone would have an excuse to whine about Scooters being taken out, it would be the crew who worked on it every day. The crew loved that ride. Friendships were made at that ride. Spending every day at that ride you get a connection to it. So unless you spent every day at that ride for at least an hour of your day, you don't have much reason to whine about it. The park had its reasons, and they were good ones.

[OhioCutie]

Paramount did a great job. Don't tell me none of you like Action Zone.

And stop your whining about Tiques and IJST! Tiques had horrid capacity, and don't even get me started on having to use gasoline to run that ride. These were VERY good reasons to get rid of Tiques. Sure, I miss them too, but they had their good reasons to lose Tiques, and since they were planning of removing Tiques, I'm sure that is the reason they put IJST in there, it was going to be an empty space anyway.

I wouldn't care as much about the removal of the antiques and eagles if that obnoxious ride had not been put in their place. It really is an incredibly hideous ride IMO. It would fit perfectly in tha Action Zone, but..not where it is now.

I'd much rather have the empty grass area where the Antiques were than IJST.

This is from memory, as I have not been to the park since 2005, but if I remember correctly..IJST had some very annoying sound effects that really distracted from the feel of the coney area.

But I suppose it's all about personal tastes and opinions.

[DeLorean Rider]

Seriously, it's a ride, get over it. Scooters was not lost, it was moved. If you love it so much, go to Carowinds. If you love Tiques so much, go to Holiday World. The park has their reasons for that decision.

I love IJST. I think it has a good location. It fits well with the Coney Mall feel.

And if anyone would have an excuse to whine about Scooters being taken out, it would be the crew who worked on it every day. The crew loved that ride. Friendships were made at that ride. Spending every day at that ride you get a connection to it. So unless you spent every day at that ride for at least an hour of your day, you don't have much reason to whine about it. The park had its reasons, and they were good ones.

Thank you! FINALLY someone said it.

Also I sincerely think one of the best things Paramount started was Fearfest, an event that will probably last a very long time. Come on all you haunts out there, you cant say you dont thank Paramount for spooking out the park the last 7 years.

[PKIVortex]

I'm just wondering why they did take out the Eagles? IJST didn't use any of the land for it. That's why there is a basketball game there now. But I'm over it now, I hardly rode Tiques anyway.

[Outdoor Man]

I agree with most of the posting in here. IJST would have better fit theming in Action Zone. However half of the 'Tiques had stopped operating years before it was even removed, and because of the "manual" nature of the ride would have been labeled a dinosaur in the direction paramount was heading and been categorically removed. They could have located IJST to another park all together.

The flyers.... the only loss in this was that it was an original from Coney; and lets be honest, if Carowinds is your home park- how can you get excited about that as a "new ride?"

[The Interpreter]

How excited?

At least one poster here, who used to always have a Kings Island season pass, now has a Carowinds Maxx pass, and goes to that park far more often than Kings Island. Danny's Phantom Flyers is one of two major reasons....

He has also been....assimilated.

[Mikewhy]

So unless you spent every day at that ride for at least an hour of your day, you don't have much reason to whine about it. The park had its reasons, and they were good ones.

So only the people who work on the ride have a "right" to whine about a ride's removal? I loved that ride and saw it many times a year since the park opened in the 70's. I have as much a right to whine as anyone. Of course, whining does no good and it not productive in the least, but the removal of that ride (The Eagles) hurt and I therefore I REJECT your opinion that I am not qualified to give an opinion about it.

Kings Island has been an important part of my life for 34 years, since I was 6 years old. I think I am qualified to express an opinion about a ride at my favorite park!

And the park did NOT have a good reason to remove the Eagles. We now know it was not removed for space for Italian Job. It was removed because one Paramount bigwig wanted it at Carowinds at all costs. The space it occupied at KI is now just a game and empty space. One can very strongly argue for removal of the Tiques, but not for the Eagles. (By the way, I do visit Carowinds once a year in part to ride the Eagles. But it is a 7 hour drive for me.)

Paramount did do many positive things, and I would never deny that. I do not mean to only bash them for one could also argue they kept the park alive and healthy during their ownership. And I also happen to really like the IJST ride. I just disagree about its location and the rides removed for it. But I also agree that Paramount did many good things for the park as well.

[UncleHenry]

Oh, so you know the reasons for removal? Well then, enlighten us with the minds of the PP execs. I'm sure you know EXACTLY what they were thinking.

[Tuskin]

I'm just wondering why they did take out the Eagles? IJST didn't use any of the land for it. That's why there is a basketball game there now. But I'm over it now, I hardly rode Tiques anyway.

I couldn't agree with you more Vortex... as I stated earlier im really upset about the eagles the land was not even used it was the dumbest move in my opinion so many people rode those! especially people who dont like big rollercoasters aka how I was until about my junior year in high school! I will never get over the eagles but the tigues dont really bother me i didnt really ride them but they still could of left the eagles in....

[CoastersRZ]

Well, from what I`ve heard, the decision to move the Eagles to Carowinds came from the corporate Paramount Parks office. Even Maureen stated at Winter Soar that Craig Ross, who was the general manager of Kings Island at the time, fought hard to keep the Eagles at Kings Island.

I remember reading a quote in the paper back for the park`s 25th anniversary, I believe it was from Al Weber, who at the time was the GM of KI. He said something to the effect of "the park will be different in the future, we just don`t what shape it will take yet." The park, whether we enthusiasts as enthusiasts of the park like it or not, will change as the years pass by. But the bottom line remains, the park is a place for having fun, and creating memories with friends and families. While the actual ride hardware in the park may be different than it was in 1972, the same basic principles apply. Heck, one can argue that the "magic" of going to KI is no different than when families would sojourn to Coney at the turn of the 20th century.

[DeLorean Rider]

Oh, so you know the reasons for removal? Well then, enlighten us with the minds of the PP execs. I'm sure you know EXACTLY what they were thinking.

Agreed, please share...

[BoddaH1994]

Seriously, it's a ride, get over it. Scooters was not lost, it was moved. If you love it so much, go to Carowinds. If you love Tiques so much, go to Holiday World. The park has their reasons for that decision.

I love IJST. I think it has a good location. It fits well with the Coney Mall feel.

And if anyone would have an excuse to whine about Scooters being taken out, it would be the crew who worked on it every day. The crew loved that ride. Friendships were made at that ride. Spending every day at that ride you get a connection to it. So unless you spent every day at that ride for at least an hour of your day, you don't have much reason to whine about it. The park had its reasons, and they were good ones.

I love it... we just discussed how the guests in the park were the lifeblood of the park and all of a sudden if you weren't a faceless seasonal employee, you have no reason to be upset about a ride removal. I'm sorry sir, but it's because of the people on this board and the 3 million+ other people who visit KI every year that you even had a job there.

I'm sure guests would love to hear your opinion... since they paid good money to go to the park and enjoy such attractions. I'm sure they'll sympathize with the fact that you were paid to stand in front of the ride and press buttons.

I am now banishing you back to Survivor Island!!!!

[The Interpreter]

Seriously, it's a ride, get over it. Scooters was not lost, it was moved. If you love it so much, go to Carowinds. If you love Tiques so much, go to Holiday World. The park has their reasons for that decision.....

Amusement parks have many competitors, not just each other. The park industry, as a whole, is searching for reasons why guests are no longer coming in as large a numbers as they once did, nor spending, on an inflation adjusted basis, what they once did.

Isn't the perceived fact that much of the magic of the experiences of older days is gone? The many, varied shows, the entertainment, the rides of childhood? Yes, appeal to the teens...but remember the families who have young children, the grandparents, etc.

The attitude of if you don't like what the park has done, go somewhere else is emblematic of the just departed Six Flags management.

And it is EXACTLY what happened at Six Flags Worlds of Adventure.

Just a thought.

By the way, Holiday World is generating record attendance, year after year. It is NOT just the rollercoasters causing it, either. Wonder how many of those who visit regularly USED to be frequent guests at Kings Island?

[westcoaster]

COASTER RZ Said it best, Way to go on that statement, Things Change one People taste in stuff changes Who would of thought 20-25 years ago of all the water parks in america?

And who would of thought of looping Coasters, Things change rides are removed for new rides, But some of that comes down to parts(availabilty), Riders not riding as much, maintenance problems, and land use.

Also if Kings Island did'nt change over time Can you Say Defunct Parks, Kings Island has been Huge to me too, I love Riding Coasters anywhere, but even Disney yes its Disney magic but when I hit Kings Island WOW!

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TO ANOTHER 35 years and the Island of tomorrow:

WEST COASTER:

[standbyme]

Being "just" a visitor to the park, I do feel that if I have the right to praise what the park does that I like, I certainly should be able to "whine" when they do something I don't...but who knows...maybe I assume too much! I have always felt that constructive criticism is good.

[UncleHenry]

I do not mean you have no right to be sad. We are all sad about the move of the ride. What I said is that you do not have the right to whine about it. Unless you know the reasons for the removal of the ride, you cannot complain about it. You say they had no reason to remove it, well how do you know? They did have a good reason. While I may not have talked personally with a PP exec, I do think I have a good idea on the reason it was moved from talking with others.

We all can be sad about it, but come on, a ride is a ride. We have LOTS of rides to go enjoy. If you are STILL sad about the removal of one ride, then maybe you need to go out and do things outside of Kings Island.

[Purplehaze]

Like get grief counseling

[UncleHenry]

Some people on here act like they need it.

[Mikewhy]

I think Kennywood clearly shows you can keep some old rides around, and STILL be fresh and still have new attractions while stayng true to your history. Kennywood is not "defunct" in any way. And they do this having very little land for expansion. Kings Island has tons of land and still removes rides to add new ones.

If you know of a good reason why the Eagles were removed then by all means share it with us. I can't wait to hear it! I have read many accounts on this very board of why they removed (from some very knowledgable members of KICentral), and I have yet to hear a good answer.

[Jamesv7]

I totally agree, adding rides like Face/Off, Drop Zone, Son of Beast, trtr, Delerium, Flight of Fear; adding areas like, Action Zone and Nick U, and Boomerang Bay; refurbishing the Royal Fountains; STARTING FEARFEST; expanding the park EVERY year; events like Nights of Fire; adding the Nickelodean Parade; even trying to rekindle Winterfest RIP; Were all abosolutely DEVEASTATING monstrosities and Paramount should have been ashamed for EVER even CONSIDERING any of these decisions. HOW DARE THEY. If they were smart they would have just left it how KECO had it, our last expansion would have been Adventure Express, and I'm sure everyone would be estatic. We would ride the Wild Animal Habitat over and over as we watch the King Cobra crumble before our eyes. I know thats how I wish the park was. And I'm sure this would have made the park so much more appealing to Cedar Fair, they wouldn't be able to resist buying a park without an expansion in 15 years. An update every year, come on we wanted to be like Six Flags. Personally I shutter every night before bed just thinking about the new rides that Paramount put in, and the updates they've made for the park and I have to cry myself to sleep. And its so nice to know that I'm not the only one that thinks this.

yes they did put in some good rides but most of what they did was cheep things like face off , trtr ,ijst.

When they tried to go big they made SOB. So i think the best thing they did for the park is sell to CP. sorry if you don't agree

[The Interpreter]

Neither Face/Off nor TR:TR was what I would call cheap.

Now, if you want to say that about Scooby and the Haunted Castle...or Avatar...

[Jamesv7]

Neither Face/Off nor TR:TR was what I would call cheap.

Now, if you want to say that about Scooby and the Haunted Castle...or Avatar...

Face/Off is a cheep way to have a invert and TR/TR is a old ride in a themed building.

[Purplehaze]

I could careless if they are old or new, I like them all. Sure I am disapointed in some things that have changed however I will go reguardless.

[The Interpreter]

Neither Face/Off nor TR:TR was what I would call cheap.

Now, if you want to say that about Scooby and the Haunted Castle...or Avatar...

Face/Off is a cheep way to have a invert and TR/TR is a old ride in a themed building.

There is nothing old about the ride inside TR;TR's building. In fact, it was a new concept when built. It was Paramount's theming ideas that made it the somewhat uncomfortable ride that it was/is.

[RingMaster]

Neither Face/Off nor TR:TR was what I would call cheap.

Now, if you want to say that about Scooby and the Haunted Castle...or Avatar...

Face/Off is a cheep way to have a invert and TR/TR is a old ride in a themed building.

Go to Six Flags and go wait in line for about three or four hours in the hot summer heat to ride a two-minute ride in the middle of a concrete parking lot with just a bunch of water jets spraying out and nothing more. Oh, you don't like the fact that there's no air conditioning while riding and you never get a water jet to the face? Sorry, we don't bother investing time and money in creating a neat storyline, amazing lighting effects, a killer soundtrack, and great theming because you'd rather have more fun screaming in broad, scorching daylight than pitch, cool black...ness. Thank you, come again.

[CoastersRZ]

Yes, SDatHC at KI was a cheap replacement for Phantom Theater. But, the park also added Delirium the same year that Scooby was added. In fact, the transformation to Scooby was not totally unlike the transformation of the Enchanted Voyage to the Smurf`s Enchanted Voyage. The Smurf`s invaded the building in 1984, the same year that the park brought in King Cobra. In both the Smurf`s and Scooby`s case, the ride conveyance vehicles (essentially) remained the same, with just cosmetic/scenery changes to the ride.

[The Interpreter]

Neither Face/Off nor TR:TR was what I would call cheap.

Now, if you want to say that about Scooby and the Haunted Castle...or Avatar...

Face/Off is a cheep way to have a invert and TR/TR is a old ride in a themed building.

Go to Six Flags and go wait in line for about three or four hours in the hot summer heat to ride a two-minute ride in the middle of a concrete parking lot with just a bunch of water jets spraying out and nothing more. Oh, you don't like the fact that there's no air conditioning while riding and you never get a water jet to the face? Sorry, we don't bother investing time and money in creating a neat storyline, amazing lighting effects, a killer soundtrack, and great theming because you'd rather have more fun screaming in broad, scorching daylight than pitch, cool black...ness. Thank you, come again.

Not every Six Flags is Kentucky Kingdom.

And soon, by all accounts, not even Kentucky Kingdom will resemble what it has been in the past.

Go to Six Flags Great America, Fiesta Texas, Over Georgia or Discovery Kingdom. You won't find those experiences there. (Nor a three to four hour line at Kentucky Kingdom, for that matter...)

[Discodude3737]

I still don't understand why people think Magic Mountain is an awful excuse for an amusement park. I have been there two times, in two separate summers, multiple days each time, and am yet to find anything I hate about the park. From my experience Magic Mountain needs to be included with Fiesta Texas and Great America as some of the top parks in the chain.