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How about from this guy?

All but confirms that Legacy CF was selling themselves short with those cheap season passes.

This episode is what Tower Topics was meant to be.

Good to see the interest in Haunt remains strong with guests quick to purchase the product.

Case in point - charging to park and never filling in the potholes

There is at least one night in October where the one-night HAEP costs $59, while the All-Season HAEP cost $59 total. I'd bet it was very limited in how many could be sold. If the only event upgrades we see are the addition of The Conjuring: Beyond Fear and Order of the Dragon, I can see a world where KI's Haunt (and the other Halloween Haunt events) gets review bombed into oblivion. It seems those in charge of these decisions at Six Flags do not understand how pricing tickets and using money for investments works at all. If they do understand it, they aren't very good at showing it.

Yeah, we would all love to know that number. But given the rumor that season long FL sales are now uncapped (and based on the lines the past few years on busy Saturdays and Haunt Saturdays, one would probably agree they are not capped), one would have expected this money grab to be uncapped as well. Unless they truly do plan to keep the lines minimal and the attraction top notch. I guess we find out in a little over a month! But I am sure the procrastinators that were going to buy this are now ticked!

I do wonder how limited this was, I didn’t think this would be something that would sell out (Admittedly if they had a non-express option for like 30-40 maybe, I would’ve gotten that, even though just paying per night would be way more effective. I also am curious what the lines will look like this season, because the upcharge could be inconvenient enough for families with younger kids or passholders just trying it out so it’s included enough for them to skip the houses. But I feel like comparatively, the house+expresses+ conjuring ticket is too close to the base prices for the regular tickets that I can see the express-regular queue ratio being off for this event. (Also let’s face it, even if it’s slightly less crowded people will still pay and the upcharge will stick. Really the only people in the park being affected by this are the poor customer service workers and line attendants who’ll get screamed at by the 90% of people who don’t know the houses are upcharge this year)

Coasterstock "sold out" too.

I wonder how many they sold. 200? 400? It'll pay for itself in two Saturday nights at Haunt, meaning less money that the park could make off it. The all-season express pass at KI was also $20 cheaper than the all-season normal pass at Six Flags Over Texas.

Hopefully if they're going to willingly choose the bankruptcy route they'll find a way to make it as quick and painless as possible. I have to wonder which parks would actually be retained by a post-bankruptcy Six Flags — if it exists by the end of all of this. Maybe the next CEO will be able to lead and manage the company better, or at least be smarter about where to make needed cuts and redirect investments. Any of the better parks that get closed and sold for their land will be a massive tragedy in the world of family entertainment. The guests of the ones that get sold to better-managed companies will need to deal with much higher pass prices and even more nickel-and-diming.

For all those complaining that the upcharge was stupid and would fail, the season long option is now sold out....

I would love to have something like toy story mania! I know.... screens blah blah blah... but thats the most entertaining attraction I've ever been on!

There are several reasons at this business is bleeding right now. All of them have been caused by mismanagement. But one of them is because they are actively chasing off customers by cost cutting that has negatively affected the customer experience. So their solution is to keep on cutting, reducing the and keep on losing attendance…… Unfortunately, like I said before there’s no way out for this company other than bankruptcy at this point. Maybe a few of the better parks will get sold off to ownership that can properly manage them and not become housing or warehouses

Some do but not the majority of Passholders. It doesn’t make the money you think it does.

Yes to both. I admit I take advantage of both of those, but would willingly give them up if it meant keeping a quality event.

Thank you. People really aren’t grasping basic business and how bad the bleeding is right now.

Sure, and I see people pay for parking, but we never see the potholes fixed Putting on Winterfest is a major expense for 20 something days.

Ooh that looks fun! I personally think the layout might be a bit much due to how many trees would need to be removed for it, but it's fun nonetheless. I've also noticed that I'm becoming less and less accepting of having a true front gate coaster (like GateKeeper or Fury 325) because I think it would cement the park into strictly feeling like an amusement park rather than a theme park: so do with that what you will. Great work!

I'll also post this image I found of a Carowinds' 2005 Winterfest map to show what that looked like. Photo: CarowindsFansOnly on Facebook.

I think closing off more of the park during Winterfest would be much better than getting rid of it entirely. As much as I'd miss those December rides on the antique cars it might be worth whatever money it'd save to close off the back of Coney Mall, past the entrance to Area 72; the back half of Rivertown, past the KI&MV RR station; and all of Action Zone. Frankly, I'd think they could go as far as closing off all of Coney Mall provided Mystic Timbers stays operating for the event. They could move any of the displaced shows up to the front of the park and put them in the other locations as well. Some of you may remember that Winterfest 2.0 in 2005 only used International Street, Oktoberfest, Hanna-Barbera Land, and Rivertown. I'll post the 2005 map from KIC below as a visual. Does anyone know where I can find any of the maps from Winterfest 1.0? Getting rid of the ice skating would leave a gaping hole at the front of the park. I doubt they'd find a good way to replace the revenue it generates, nor would they be able to make the Royal Fountain look good without the rink in it. They'd have to turn it into the world's largest holiday themed seating area for it to not just sit dormant. I believe Carowinds cutting/shifting their Winterfest hours could just be a (bad) one-year test from Six Flags. There's also all of the people from SFOG and Kings Dominion that Six Flags is trying to find out how far they'll travel for a holiday event. I doubt many families will make the trek out of state. Fiesta Texas is apparently getting some new decorations for their Holiday in the Park this year: I wonder which park's cancelled event those are coming from.

I actually saw qutie a few people skating last year, along with cookies, etc. I find myself spending more now thatn ever and I have all 3.

With AlpenFury being a major success, I created a Premier launch coaster concept for the Invertigo/Congo/Timberwolf/entry plaza area. The Action Zone area becomes an expanded Oktoberfest with a dark forest vibe and Drop Tower gets renamed "FallTrum. The station and queue for the new coaster would be on the skyflyer plot and Coaster Connection would become the exit gift shop/ride photo area.

Oh, I’m not saying they should do it now. That would be an absolute disaster. Once you give customer something you can’t take it away easily. I was saying they should have done that in the beginning. I remember at Busch Gardens before they started year-round. Memberships Christmas town was an additional $35 for unlimited admission on a season pass. And Busch was able to eliminate their meal plans after experimenting for one or two years. It’s the same thing with these ridiculous meal plans. And I mean ridiculous in a business sense. They are great for the customer. Six Flags tried to take them away when Bassoul took over and it resulted in a huge drop in attendance that is still continuing at this point they are so engrained in the customers that it will be impossible for Six Flags to take them away successfully I don’t believe there’s any hope for this company other than bankruptcy. They have dug their ditches too deep with the way they have sold season passes. If they raise prices, they lose customers if they continue the same path, they lose customers because the experience will continue to deteriorate

Don't give them any ideas LOL. Imagine the comments if they now made Winterfest an add-on or meal and drink plans not valid after Labor Day. Sadly Six has already done the Labor Day thing to meal plans in the past, so I could see that happen.