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Please note that this was a ERT for ACE in 1994: http://www.groupsrv.com/hobby/about33104-0-asc-0.html

Again, that video I provided was during The Beast's initial test runs before the park was even open in 1979. How can you possibly see, or even try to guess, what happened after the video was filmed? Even in that video, the helix tunnel is not there, as matter of fact, the roof is still being built. But we all know the tunnel to be there now. So please explain to me how the roof is not present in the video, just like the brakes, but it is there now? Well if you feel that way, why would you claim this? That, like your opinion, makes no sense. You have never had a trimless ride on Beast. So exactly what are you basing your opinion on? It can't be other people's word for it. You said it yourself, you are not naive enough to take a person's word for it, unless you have seen it. And since your first ride on Beast was probably in 1992, what have you exactly seen? And even if people did happen to have a unique trimless ride at one time, how does that constitute that the brakes are not necessary? Do you actually believe that the engineers that designed Beast wanted to slow it down? Since they are the ones that designed it, and then they determined that the brakes were necessary, are you finding fault in their design? What qualifications do you have to dispute their work? Then why not call it Scooby Doo? Or do you have a difficult time handling things you cannot control?

Living in PA.... KI should have a BROWNS PRIDE NIGHT!

I suppose you need to read better. I have no idea what is in KI's maintenance department, I can only speculate. Just like the speculation that Beast would be better trimless. Do you have anything to back up your claim? Please IM me.

But since the trims have always been there, and people still rank it in the top 10, what is the point? It is almost a 30 year old coaster, and it still cracks the top 10? That speaks volumes. If they removed the trims and made the ride unbearable to most it probably would not get ranked at all.

From the glass is half-full theory: At least they were all wearing their seatbelts. If not, there could have very well been a fatality.

All that information can be supported how? It certainly is not from your "favorite" list on another site: I find it difficult to believe that for such a coaster enthusiast you would have AE as a number 5 coaster compared to some of the steel coasters in Florida. And as far as The Beast being ranked in the Golden tickets. That poll is about as valable as a used piece of paper. But if you think about it; Beast is by far the oldest on that list, and with the exception of Phoenix (1985) is the only coaster not built in the modern era (1995- present). And it still made the list? And with the trims? So does that mean Beast is better than all the wooden coasters out there in the World, except the 7 above them on the list? That really sounds like that is the point you are trying to get across.

It does not appear that Mason's mayor is looking at the big picture. Sure it may be difficult for KI to go back to Deerfield Twp. But what kind of message are you sending to potential entertainment venues considering Mason? If Mason is growing at such an alarming rate, why would you even consider biting the hand that feeds you? Also, does this tax include all admission priced entertainment? Or is it just KI and The Beach?

Please tell me that was meant to be a joke....

Couple of things: - Initially reading the title of this topic, I had NO IDEA what to expect. Seriously though: I have heard that the safety specs for European rides are nowhere near the US, but I find it disturbing that the ride would be allowed to engage w/o all the operators in a "safe zone". Rough translation of story:

Wow, you just like to believe anything you want huh? Nevermind facts, or practicle conclusions, sound reasoning, or that a ride that has been around before you were born actually may be operating the way it was intended to operate. Especially since the brakes you constantly whine about were in place 5 years before you were even around. Nevermind that Beast has been one of the best liked wooden coasters ever, or that the 2 big parks you have actually been to in your life have consistantly been the some of the most popular seasonal parks in the World. Yeah, what the hell do they know? Do you honestly believe that in the intrests of making more money, the parks will basically do anything? So if the brakes you have been whining about made that much of a negative difference of people walking through the gates, the park would have removed them over 20 years ago? Next you are going to tell us that no matter what, because you read it somewhere else, the earth is flat. http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/ Remember, just as you heard on the web that Beast is a great ride trimless, hear you can read about how the earth is flat! So I really want to know, why do you believe that enthusiasts like yourself are more important than the "grannies" you have described? And to clear some things up, it is no longer called "Beastie", yet, "Fairly Odd Coaster". And if you read the park's description: What a shock! It has nothing to do with maintnance, and everything to do with the parks target audience- FAMILIES!

^ Now that is good to know!

While I do understand what you are saying, some people need to understand that a park is not there for their own personal pleasure. If parks would actually allow trims to be removed so that the force of the ride can always be felt, a majority of the people would hate the ride. For instance: you just came back from CP and experienced Magnum. The trims in the pretzel slow down the train enough so when you come to the bunny hops, the lap bar does not kill your thighs (more than it already does). For an enthusiast, we know where to lift up on the lap bar or know how to sit, for a non-enthusiast all they will remember is the pain the ride caused. That is not the type of experience the parks want people to remember. If those people remember a bad ride experience, they very well could spend their money at another park. And less revenue for a park directly effects people like you and me either by higher ticket prices OR less fantastic trill rides (ironically the same thrill rides and enthusiast whines about). There are enough enthusiast events to satisfy the hard-core fans. It is just that the enthusiast needs to remember that operating a park is a business, and if the majority of the guests are not happy, the park does not make money. And then we all lose out.

While that amount is very excessive, It really is not a shock that a suit has been filed. Quite honestly, if I was paying $250 to $520 a night for a room at GWL, and something they did (or didn't) do got my family sick, I would hope that GWL would compensate me so that a suit would not have to be filed. And what I mean by compensation is along the lines of the current stay being taken care of along with another weekend. While some people may consider that excessive, the way I look at it is: my first vacation to the lodge was ruined by getting sick, I believe I deserve another opportunity.

From how the calander reads, it appears like the park will be cleared and then re-opened. http://www.visitkingsisland.com/mediakit/calendar.html Which does bring up some intresting questions: - will guests be allowed to leave HH and then re-enter later in the night? There has been talk in the past that the park would not allow people to do that. - will the computers allow a season pass to be scanned twice? I personally have had issues with that at CP after taking a shower at Hotel Breakers to get the grimy water ride "stuff" off of me which led to the hand stamp also washing off. - what kind of security presence will be at the park on Saturday nights? Please don't take my comment the wrong way, but having the park be open to 1:00am and combining that with a large group of teens at Halloween seems like it could be a potential issue.

^ So you really have no other experiences with other parks besides a CF park? Or for that matter no other big parks besides KI or CP. Of course you would believe that KI is the trim brake capital. I had the same belief once when it came down to theme parks. Until I was 15, KI was the best park in the World. Then I expanded my experience and went to BGE and found that I was dead wrong. When it comes to trims, how do you know that it is the park that insists on the brake? Have you ever considered that it could be the manufactorer that determined the need? What about older people that cannot handle the forces some coasters have? Sure Gemini at CP may have trims, but there are many other coasters at CP that will give you the thill you are looking for. Gemini is a big coaster for most people, and gives enough of a thrill to please the majority. You have to remember, coasters are there for everyone's enjoyment, not just the enthusiast. If you want the enthusiast experience, go during an event. When the park is open to everyone, expect brakes so that the majority of people can ride. Beast was a great coaster in 1979, even with the trims. And just like with the trims today, it is still a great coaster. If you don't like it, stay home. CF wants the majority of people to enjoy the park, not just the whining minority that can't get over themselves or their ideals.

Well considering it came from you, what else to you expect? How do you know that a park is killing a ride with a trim? What experiences do you have with the subject? Or are you just trying to give off second hand information and pass it off as your own again? You may want to clarify that. In your opinion, YOU don't have to go to other parks to see that KI and CP use trims more than others. But in reality, they use trims just like everyone else. You just have not been to enough parks to figure that out. So if you discover something in the future, I'll be the first to know. Well thanks, I appreciate that. But what I don't understand is the "I won't change my mind" part. Does that mean you are so closed minded that once you finally do get to other parks not associated with CF, you still won't change your mind on trims or that CF is the only chain that over uses trims? Since you have already admitted that CF has not added any trims to KI's coasters since the Paramount regime, and, given your limited experience with other parks, I am surprised that you have not figured out that if the two biggest parks under different ownership that you have been to use trims, other parks probably use them as well.

Actually it took about 5 minutes to find out you really have no basis of comparison for any opinion on trims. Everyone wants a coaster to go faster and have airtime, but it is the person who understands why a park will make a decision to have trims that is the true enthusiast. They know that the ride is there for everyone's enjoyment, not just their own enjoyment. And if you think I'm an arrogant jerk, given your limited view on things, I'll take that as being a really good guy. Thanks for the compliment!

*BUMP* Now that the 2008 season is in full swing, and most of us have had the opportunity to enjoy Racer, has anyone's opinion changed? Also, how often has Racer only been operating one side?

Just a guess.... The inside & outside queues for FoF. Take out the railings, and there is a rather large space to be used.

From you own mouth on another site: Those parks equal to a rather small amount of parks. And of those parks, only 4 really have large enough coasters to need trims. Hit some SF, Busch, Universal, and Disney parks to see why trims are used on coasters.

Go ahead and move on to other parks than the 14 you have been to. You don't like trims. Good. Move on. They have been on Beast for almost 30 years now and your constant, inexperienced whining is baseless due to have no first hand experience. You have no idea what kind of ride Beast will give trimless, but since YOU believe it would be good for the ride, and everyone else for that matter, the park should do it? Wow. You really need to get out more.

So you really have no idea about what kind of ride a trimless Beast will give. But you feel the need to question why the trims are there, and on top of that criticize a company and question their maintenance procedures(which only happens to be one of many reasons trims are necessary)? Based on second hand information? You need to seriously explore other parks than the 14 you have been to and form your own opinion. Not an opinion based upon some else's ideals. You need to expand your horizons and get to other parks to see that trims on larger coasters is not unique to only a small handful of parks. Never having a trimless ride, and then telling a company on how their coaster should operate is not only arrogant presumption, it is immature.

The better question is: Should people need to ride defensively?

^ With enough morphine, codeine, and percocet I'm sure you could beat any consecutive ride record that SoB may have.