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You said it yourself. You were there on a Sunday in July, and all the rides were walk-ons. If a July Sunday had all walk-ons, can you imagine what it was like during the week? Unfortunately, parks are there to make money. If a park has all walk-on rides on a weekend, in the middle of summer, it is quite obvious that they are not making money.

That is very possible. But also, the weather has much to do with it. Memorial Day weekend, the temps barely hit 70. The normal highs are usually around 68, and in 2008 it was 65. And at night the temps went into the 50's. It really has been downright cold in this area. http://www.wkyc.com/weblog/weather/labels/may%20weather.html It has only been just over a week now that you could wear shorts comfortably on the shores of Lake Erie. Now if we could see what kind a attendence WWK has had for the last two weeks, that would be some good (and intresting) data. It has been downright hot.

^ Well now that you mention it.... ...oiling the lanes could very well be an issue.

^ Wait till you have to hit the windmill on lane # 102. Meh, it gets UGLY!

^ It is nice that they do have the teat seat. But where is gets really bad is when a person will fit the test seat, and then not fit the actual ride seat. CP has been dealing with that chaos ever since MF had it's seatbelts shortened. Needless to say, it has caused MANY loud and embarassing incidents on coaster platforms.

Kingda KaLanes?

But you can't forget about those that are rather small. Including larger restraints for taller people, could excluded the smaller guest. We already have enough upset kids in the World because they are not tall enough to ride.

^ You are absolutely correct that is what has been mentioned about the lubrication. But, if the cable was frayed due to lack of lubrication, it should have been noticed that replacement was necessary. Or if the cable has not been replaced in quite some time (i.e. MF elevator lift), or if the incorrect cable and/ or supplier was not used, any amount of lubrication still may not have prevented the accident.

^ Hey if you feel that way, nobody is going to change your mind. But somethings to keep in mind: Both Intamin drop ride incidents were on rides that were engineered and designed before Drop Tower and are very different from KI's version. The SFKK incident was caused from poor preventive maintenance and not from a design failure of the ride itself. If the cables would have been replaced in a timely manner we would not be talking about this at all.

In a perfect World, it would be nice to have the park accomodate their guests. Perhaps in the future, if the park would purchase new trains, they would be more accomodating.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/or...0,3026136.story

If expanding the park would result in more people, that would mean that KI has an issue with their current capacity. Now I ask you, how often do the entry gates shut down due to capacity issues?

^ Thanks! All I could visualize, and hear, was me biting into a pizza and hearing the crunch of cicadas.

Some goals: http://www.cedarpoint.com/public/visit/tips.cfm#size

^ CP has always had packages like this, perhaps not with the breakfast vouchers, but a normal package nonetheless: http://resorts.cedarpoint.com/public/packages.cfm

I don't think so. Kingda Ka, which is faster, goes only 128. Does Cedar Point now claim Top Thrill does 142? It used to claim 120.... darn fat finger!

^ What's whith the ALL CAPS?

Given that information, it may not work out for SF the way they would hope it would. But from a training aspect, that could make things worse for SF. They really need to settle this ASAP.

From one angle, I agree, as long as the ride is indentical to the former S;ToP. But from the other; since the accident in Spain did not end tragically, quite possibly due to the ride operator hitting the E-Stop button, that could be against SF and their training procedures.

That is a Mayfly, aka "Candian Flyers". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayfly Mayflies are really bad around the shores of Lake Erie at night. They get so bad that entire pop machines, glass windows, etc. will be covered due to the mayflies attraction to light. That is why you don't want to be in the first seat of a CP coaster, and that you need to keep your mouth closed on rides from about 5:00pm till closing. Just take a look on the front of the coaster cars to seet the previous night's casulties. I have seen a picture of a teenager that sat in ther front seat of TTD. It looked like he was shot by very small pellets and he was bleeding all over his white T-shirt. The small blood marks were actually bugs killed by his body traveling at 142mph. During the baseball playoffs last year, Jacobs Field (now Progressive Field) was "attacked" by what the TV announcers believed to be mayflies but were not. The bugs that attacked the playing field are a relative to a mosquito, but don't bite.

It is too bad that your parents insist on a 1 day trip. Only because, there is so much to do there, it would be practically impossible to do it all in one day. And considering that this will be your first trip, if you went two days this year, you would not have to go back for a couple more years. You definately need to go to the resort entrance, that is easily the best option. And as far as what rides to hit, that is one rider's opinion. I personally love MF, whereas others don't care for it. Others love Magnum, where I say that it is a good ride. You really need to go on all the rides to form a good opinion.

That is not practical though. First, Ohio mandates that parks must follow manufacturer's guidelines. There is no wiggle room there (no pun intended). The manufacturer engineered and designed the ride and trains with safety in mind. They are much more qualified to set the safety standards of the ride they designed. No offense to any park, but I feel better that the manufacturer has control of the safety standards and not the park. In addition, if the park is following they safety standards set by the manufacturer, and there happens to be a terrible accident, the manufacturer and the park will be held liable, not just the park. From the park's insurer standpoint, that is big when it comes down to who is at fault as well as the investigation and future designs of restraints.

Some tips: Considering that this is your first trip to CP, you really need to be at the park for 2 full days, and since you have a Platinum Pass, you have aleady paid for your admission to the park. You can find a hotel near the park that is cheap, but may not be the nicest room that you have stayed in. The Value-Inn Motel http://travela.priceline.com/hotel/overvie...ky-4335903.html is just East, about 3 miles, from the park entrance and is a ok place. It has beds, a shower, and a TV and that is about it. No phones, but I'm sure you or your parents, or yourself, have a cell phone. I have stayed there a few times when I was younger and for $46/ night, that place is tough to beat. The cost of two nights there is cheaper than one night most other places. And if you bring your own food like subs or cold cuts, and drinks, you can really cut down on the expenses. CP is a big place, and can be difficult to manage for first time guests, and what I mean by manage is what rides to hit at what time. Maverick and Millenium Force are normally the longest lines in the park. It is a great idea that you will be going during the week due to both of those rides will have about an hour wait during the day. Now if you get in early and hit both rides during ERT, you do have a good shot at getting on all 17 coasters, but if you would go for 2 days, you would definately hit all the coasters and all the thrill rides without feeling rushed. The weather is also a big deal at CP. Storms on Lake Erie can come in VERY quickly, and be rather severe. CP will shut down their coasters at the threat of rain for safety reasons. Wind also plays a big factor for operations. If it is really windy coasters like Raptor and TTD will shut down. Only going for one day puts all your eggs in one basket. If it does happen to be a bad weather day, you could be walking around the park looking, not riding, at some great coasters and knowing that you only have one day. A two day trip gives you a better window of opportunity to enjoy the park completely. I would also jump on http://www.cedarpoint.com/public/visit/tod...th=6&day=10 and click the day you are planning on going to see if there is a special event going on. I personally would not go during a special event due to the amout of people that potentially could be at the park. What I will often do is a 1.5 day trip. Drive up to CP on Sunday afternoon and be at the park about 5 pm Sunday night. The park often times clears out on Sunday night and you can get on a bunch of rides and then also see what you are in store for for your full day and plan with your group as to what to go on. And then go all day Monday and come home Tuesday. I hope this helps. If you have anymore questions, just let me know.

Sorry kid, but you have issues. But you do seem intelligent enough that there will come a time where you can sit back and listen to others before trying to twist their words. If you will only listen to 24 people on one ride vs. thousands of others, there is not much more that can be said. And the discussion has only gone to comical only because you want to twist the truth. When I was 16, I did the same thing. No matter what evidence was in front of me, I would also make things up and refuse to listen to logic. It's really not your fault because most others at the same age, including myself, have done the same thing. If you want to believe that I'm being rude, that's ok. Letting discussions like this get to a personal level is petty, especially when it resorts to name calling. KIC is better than that. My intent was not to get on a personal level, and if I have insulted you in any way, my apologies. I do respect your drive to prove your point, but you do need some better angles. If you would like to IM me, please feel free to do so. End of discussion.

^ You think that is bad. Magnum will be 20 next year. I can still remember waiting in line for Magnum in '89, through all those extra queue lines behind the crappy little bathroom that sits near the Magnum entrance. It was over a two hour wait.