Pillsberry123

After visiting Holiday World again I have a new list and a better appreciation for the Raven and the Voyage. Top 5 Wood 1. The Beast 2. The Raven 3. Cornball Express 4. Big Dipper 5. The Voyage (I'll be riding Shivering Timbers next month so this will change again) Top 5 Steel 1. Millennium Force 2. Top Thrill Dragster 3. Magnum XL200 4. Dominator 5. Raptor

Wicked Twister is a hyper invert!

You're forgetting that we have The Racer and Woodstock Express. Woodstock Express is the woodie for kids, The Racer for families, and The Beast for adults. We've got the wood basis covered. My point isn't that we should never get another woodie, it's that there's much more that we need before we should consider getting another one. I love woodies as much as the next guy, but this isn't roller coaster tycoon where you can just take out a massive loan and build 40 coasters. Rides are put there for a reason, and if the money isn't made back then it's wasted money and a bad investment. Actually, Kings Island needs to be considered for more than coasters. I picture our next coaster being a modern, looping, steel coaster. I don't know when that will come, but I don't think it will happen in 2012. I picture a modern flat, X-base expansion, and Boomerang Bay update before I picture another coaster at KI.

It's HOT out today! I'm going to Holiday World tomorrow, so we're going to have to take advantage of the free soft drinks.

I would recommend starting with Action Zone right when the park opens. Saturday should have a decent crowd (but nothing like last Saturday!) Most of the crowds will sprint to Diamondback after the national anthem plays. You should get quite a few rides in Action Zone. After that, just walk in a clockwise fashion and you'll get to Rivertown around mid-afternoon. If you plan on staying all day, you'll have more than enough time to do everything you want to do. Your longest wait of the day will be Firehawk and Flight of Fear. They're both in the X-base area, so you might want to hit those before Action Zone or hit them later in the day. The temperatures are supposed to be high, so a lot of people may hit the waterpark after lunch. If you plan on hitting the waterpark expect a lot of standing in lines.

Maintenance doesn't care if it's safe! They reopened Son of Beast and that's after people fell out and died on the loop!

Have you seen the line for Magnum lately? The reason Millennium was built was to get the record for the tallest and fastest ride. If it wasn't to get that record, I doubt it would have been built. Holiday World's woodies aren't savored by most people like enthusiast do. It's obvious. From lunch until the park closes everyone is at Splashin Safari. The Voyage gave the park national attention, and until that diminishes why build another coaster? (whether or not you consider Wildabeast a coaster is a different topic) Their past two additions have been major water rides. Their attendance is up, and it's been going up without the addition of any new wooden coasters. It's up because the place is a better value, and because they are noted for having one the best waterparks around.

They were going to take out Son of Beast and move Vortex to that spot because The Vortex is sitting on a swamp. That's why they took out The Bat. Trust me my dad owns the park I should know.

The more I hear the more I think it makes sense that we would get a large swing-type of ride. It answers to all of Kinzel's hints. Nostalgia, Thrilling, Something that the teen market will like...

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With a thought process like that, many parks would never get new roller coasters. 'Why give a GCI woodie to Cedar Point? They have a tall, intimidating woodie, and an old-timey, airtime woodie. All the bases are covered, and they don't need anymore!' Not the case. Because Kings Island has Diamondback, should we stray from any further sitting, steel, coasters? Must everything now be a "gimmick" or a family ride so that Diamondback can remain our signature steel ride? I would hate to see the day when Kings Island in particular decides they do not need any more wooden coasters because they have The Beast. GYK, who loves The Beast for what it is, but will never understand those who find it infallible, or worse, the end-all-be-all of wooden roller coasters. Wooden roller coasters can be better than The Beast, believe it or not. And there will come a day when The Beast is not the signature ride, or even the signature wooden roller coaster, of Kings Island theme park. And, given time, there will probably be a generation of Kings Islanders listen to their parents fondly recall a mysterious ride that used to be called "The Beast." Of course from an enthusiast's point of view we would like as many different coasters as possible, but from a marketable standpoint a new woodie wouldn't make sense. Diamondback was a success because Kings Island has nothing else like it. It's marketed as the biggest ride that Kings Island has ever had... I don't know about you, but I'm going to say that Diamondback has sparked a lot of attention. If they build a new woodie, the question won't be "Hey, how is it?" It's going to be "Is it better than The Beast?" SOB was different because it was 200 feet tall and had a loop. Completely different scenario there. To answer your question, Diamondback doesn't mean that Kings Island shouldn't get anymore steel coasters. It means that we shouldn't get anymore hypers. It doesn't make sense. Why build a signature steel coaster when you're just going to outdo it several years later, especially when you're trying to cater to locals? Again, the question wouldn't be "How is the new ride?" The question would be, "Is the new ride better than Diamondback?"

I agree with you once again. I don't know why some people think that Kings Island needs a GCI woodie. The Beast fills in the gap for any signature wooden coaster needed at KI, and a new one would seem useless in the public eye. Obviously Son of Beast was an exception because it had a loop and it was 200 feet tall, but a moderate sized GCI wouldn't be worth it. More modern steel is what we need. Diamondback is about the only steel at KI that doesn't have have reliability issues or roughness to deal with. You could argue against me with Flight Deck and Flight of Fear, but that's it... And in my opinion, unless we get some family friendly flats or some flats in X-base, there's no point in adding flats either. We have two world class flat rides along with another modern flat hidden in a tan building. Until one of those gets taken down I don't see the point of a Screaming Swing or anything similar.

Yeah, but no one ever said that this would be a large coaster. Obviously if we were getting a big B&M, a height record breaker, or even a 200 footer construction would have started a long time ago. It's possible to put up a moderate size coaster between now and opening day next year.

Hmm, I don't think that Floorless coasters or Inverted coasters are fads. They've built an invert almost every year since the first was built, and they've put in a floorless almost every year for a decade... As Arrows disappear B&Ms show up. I still think that our next coaster will be a B&M floorless or invert.

We've seen the sign of a new coaster for the past two years as well. It's big, red, and located in Rivertown...

I've ridden Firehawk three times. I don't even bother going into X-base at this point. I tend to ride Flight of Fear a lot early in the season but as the season moves on it looses its appeal. Firehawk lost its appeal much quicker than that... A few flats and a restroom in X-base would make the area much more relevant.

I'm all for adding more family/traditional flat rides as well. With the exception of the rides at Planet Snoopy, Shake Rattle and Roll, Monster, Scrambler and Zypher we don't have much to offer in that area. A ferris wheel and scooters are what I would like to see. I wouldn't mind seeing a Whip either, but from the looks of it these rides are disappearing so I doubt that we'll ever see one at Kings Island. Heck, I would be surprised if we ever see an addition of any traditional flat rides any time soon...

As long as the topic about fads is up, I think I know what fad the 2000s will be remembered for...

Some of the responses on Cedar Point's facebook are great... "Build a lay-down flying coaster that goes from Ocean Motion to the parking lot." "They can't build anything on the beach! It would sink. In fact, Cedar Point said that they have to take down Magnum soon because it's sinking. I bet they're taking it down this year."

1) The Beast 2) Millennium Force 3) Top Thrill Dragster 4) Magnum Xl200 5) Doninator (rode it at Geauga Lake) 6) Cornball Express 7) Raptor 8) The Raven 9) Big Dipper (Geauga Lake) 10) Diamondback Honorable Mentions: The four PTC woodies I've ridden: Blue Streak, Racer, Comet, Woodstock Express

Yeah Holiday World is worth visiting! If you like wooden coasters you'll have a great time, as each of the three are award winning. If you like water parks you'll obviously have a good time, but you can find enough to do even without the water park.

With steel coasters, is it possible to replace sections of track that have suffered from too much stress?

I would recommend the Econo Lodge on Cleveland Road just a few miles away from the park. It's close enough and the cleanest of the hotels we've stayed at in the area. There's also a Howard Johnson and a Comfort Inn very close-by.

A lot of great pictures, I love ones of all the tigers! Great landscaping at Great Adventure from the looks of it.

Yep, you're probably right! I'd still take Rivertown though. It's home to The Beast, it has the best food, and the most shade (something that Action Zone doesn't have much of). Actually, I'd take Coney Mall over Action Zone. I'm not saying your post is wrong (because I think it's right) I'm just saying why I'd still pick Rivertown over other areas even without Diamondback.