BlondyRidesOn

From what I have heard, the brats and mettwursts that they introduced in 2013 with Christian Morlein Biergarten (Now the Mercado) did not sell well (They were very delicious in my opinion though). At the very least, I'd be 100% in favor of Gliers Goetta being sold at the park. At several German festivals I've seen vendors serving Goetta Cheese Fries. They could sell something like that or a Goetta burger on a pretzel bun with traditional burger toppings (but with Swiss cheese instead of American cheese). Just an idea I had.

It looks like they took out the manmade island in the middle of the lake which was originally occupied by the circle swing attraction in the early years. Later the occupied by the famous "Coney Countdown" billboard from the 1971 season. If they're sticking to their word and the Lake is being filled with water again, even as a land mass it is tough to lose it.

I think Lake Como has been dredged in the past and deepened. At least according to the Tim Young documentary from 1993/2005 "Greetings From Coney Island." Perhaps it's to perform maintenance of some sort. Lake Como is in the plans to keep from what I understand.

I know I brought it up in a separate thread, but creating a Rivertown centric storyline to the coaster along with this would be pretty amazing. It's a common consensus among Kings Island fans that Diamondback, while a smashing success and great coaster, took a lot of the vibes away from Rivertown as many trees had to be leveled throughout the surrounding area. An indoor themed queue, set up like either a farm house or an old town shop, can help bring back a little of what was lost.

Growing up, I and my siblings were always Gold Pass holders to Kings Island, but a trip to Coney was always special because it was different. My mother loved it because it reminded her of her childhood before Taft moved the park to Kings Island in 1972. I loved it because of its connection to Kings Island. But the thing was for us, we only went to Coney for the rides during the "modern era." Having a local YMCA and Soak City/Boomerang Bay/Water Works a short distance from our house, my parents never saw the need to take us as we grew up. I did not get to step into Sunlite Pool until 2020; I had just barely finished college. My mom had not been in years by that time and my father rarely went when he was a kid because my grandparents had their own pool at their house. So most of our Coney memories were made on the Mall. To us, Coney was Moonlite Gardens, the Python, the Flying Bobs and early rides from my parents generation like the Tumble Bug the Whip and the Shooting Star; Sunlite Pool, at least to us, was just Sunlite Pool. The pool didn't deserve the ending it got, with all that said. It was from an era where nobody had air conditioning, so large pools like that were an attractive investment for parks. I believe it was the last classic amusement park "mega pool" I guess you could say. In the early development of Kings Island, there were apparently discussions about reproducing Sunlite Pool in Mason. It was ultimately shot down because of the expense that would need to be paid. After all, it cost the Royal Fountain, which is a fraction of the size of Sunlite, $500,000 to complete on a $250,000 budget. The pool stayed open down on Kellogg Avenue and helped keep the park afloat when Taft couldn't sell the property. I often wonder how things would have been different if they had been successful in finding a buyer for the property back then? On one hand, Coney would have been lost a lot earlier than it had been. On the other hand, Taft probably could would have found the budget after Kings Island's 1972 inaugural season to move forward with moving the pool north as a "Phase 2" of the Kings Island Resort complex (WaterWorks would have come 16 years earlier than it did in real life). As for the site today, it would be cool to see it transition into a community/city park in conjunction with the new Farmer's Music Center, something similar to Flushing Meadows Park in Queens after the 1964 World's Fair; the old buildings and park pavilions are reutilized and preserved for the next chapter. With the old park buildings getting a new lease on life, it would almost be as if Coney Island never actually closed.

I went down to Coney today to take a look at the work. I took the time to look at the vendors that had set up their displays, but my main focus was getting a look at the site. What was confirmed by Jonathan Martin, the CEO of the Cincinnati Symphony Orchestra (CSO), last spring: The iconic Kellogg Avenue auto gate, built in 1924, will remain. Lake Como, the manmade lake in the front if the property, which was dug out and filled in 1892 (some sources say 1896), will also remain. The picnic grove, shelters and playground will also remain. This was where Coney Island got its start in 1870 when apple farmer James Bell Parker was approached by a Cincinnati church group requesting to set up a picnic on his apple orchard. I have included photos below. Sunlite Pool: This is still a surreal visual. Once the site of the world's largest recirculating swimming pool is nothing more than a field of gravel and dirt. According to Coney Island Central, the pool was designed by W.J. Lynch of New Haven, Connecticut and was 200 feet wide by 401 feet long. The pool could hold 3.5 million gallons of water and could clean and filter 47,000 gallons of water per hour the year it opened. Sunlite Pool would have celebrated its 100th anniversary this season, originally opening in 1925 as simply the Natatorium. The name Sunlite Pool would come later in the 1930s. LaRosas Pizzeria: While it was home to Cincinnati's staple Italian eatery during the park's "modern era" (Post Kings Island), the LaRosas Pizzeria at Coney Island had originally opened in 1967 as a souvenir and gift shop on the Mall. It had replaced the old Penny Arcade. I took a visit to Coney for Summerfair in 2024 to get a look at the site. Last season the building was open for restroom use and concessions. This year it was closed with concessions being located on the patio next to the building. A quick peak in the window revealed that the building is undergoing renovations. For fun, I did a side by side comparison of this building to a photo I found in the book "Cincinnati's Coney Island" by Charles J. Jacques Jr. The photo, taken from the book, shows Bingo the gorilla from Hanna-Barbera's "The Banana Splits" entertaining people on the Mall. To the right is my photo taken at a similar angle (and similar lighting). This was taken in the early 70s following Taft Broadcasting's merger and acquisition of Coney Island in 1969 to begin the development of Kings Island. I had previously made a comparison using a photo I took last year, but the way the sun was shining today influenced my decision to recreate it. Mini Golf: The mini golf course was visibly torn up from construction equipment. MEMI had set up barrier fences to keep people from going into the area (This didn't stop some people though). I think it is safe to say that the Cincy Mini Golf is not long for this world. Moonlite Pavillion & Tivoli Fountain: Moonlite Pavillion, named after the famous Moonlite Gardens just down the Mall, was originally built sometime in the 1960s and served as the rides shelter for the Cuddle Up, Whip and Dodgem. It was renovated in 1976 and renamed Moonlite Pavillion to host special events. This was part if the initiative by Taft Broadcasting to redevelop the site as a non competitive alternative to Kings Island. For Summerfair, this was the congregating place for the vendors and crafters as well as a lost and found station. The building is being put to great use and is most definitely going to stick around. It was most recently used for a Memorial Day party this previous week: The little fountain pool on the Lake Como side of the building once featured bubbling tubes, mimicking the fountains of Tivoli Gardens in Copenhagen, Denmark: below is a screenshot from the 1968 film "A Dream of A Park:" This was no doubt influenced by Gary Wachs' 1963 trip to Europe. Today, however, the Tivoli fountain is gone, replaced in later years with simple cascading jets. Now it's empty and void of water, but it does not look like it's going anywhere anytime soon. On a side note, if there's one feature I would love to see revived and replicated at Kings Island from Old Coney, it's the Tivoli fountain. EDIT: A fun fact about Moonlite Pavillion/ Rides shelter is that it was replicated in smaller scale at Kings Island in 1972, housing the Dodgem and Cuddle Up. While the children's Whip ride, now called Linus' Beetle Bugs, made it to Kings Island, the full sized Whip gave its last rides on September 6, 1971 was presumably scrapped. Moonlite Pavilion's little sister building was demolished in 2017 to make way for Coney BarBQue. Rivergate and Lighthouse: Steamboat travel was a common early method to reach Coney Island, dating back to its beginnings as Parker's Grove. Many steamers would land here and deliver passengers. Steamboat captain William F. McIntyre, who bought the property from James Parker in 1886 renaming it to the Coney Island we know it as today, ferried people from Cincinnati's Public Landing to the park on his ship the Guiding Star. Eventually others joined the mix. The Princess, Island Maid and even the Delta Queen. The most beloved and remembered, however, were the two Island Queens. The river gate at Coney Island had seen several changes over the years, but the most iconic version, the one standing today, was built in 1925 using stones and rocks from the riverbank of the Ohio River. With the increased popularity of automobiles, and the disastrous explosion of the second Island Queen in Pittsburgh on September 9, 1947, guests would begin to drive to Coney Island. This would eventually lead to the problem of limited parking, a major factor in the development of Kings Island. **HERE TO STAY** Following the press release in Spring of 2024, I sent a follow up email to the Cincinnati Symphony Orchestra's CEO Jonathan Martin inquiring about the lighthouse and river gate. In a response email, Mr. Martin confirmed the preservation of the iconic river gate. "Current plans are to save the lighthouse and storey pole near the river which marks the many historic floods." On top of this, I had received a double confirmation from an employee sitting near the river gate. She was preventing attendees from going down the ramp to the river as the Ohio River had risen overnight due to the large bouts of rain this past weekend. I had a pleasant conversation with her regarding the future of the site. Which is a perfect transition to the information I'm sure most people are interested in. Moonlite Gardens: Built in 1925 by the Philadelphia Toboggan Company, Moonlite Gardens was the park's ballroom. In its heyday, Moonlite hosted some of the nations biggest acts. While Moonlite Gardens was built in 1925, the current New Orleans French Quarter style front entrance was built in 1947. The old band shell and dance floor was made from wood and had seen severe damage from years of flooding by the Ohio River. The band shell was demolished shortly after the opening of Kings Island in 1972. In its later life, Moonlite was used for wedding receptions and small concerts. **HERE TO STAY** The employee I had talked to today confirmed that Moonlite Gardens isn't going anywhere. The Symphony had expressed interest in restoring the building, stating in response to my email inquiry: "The venue, its history and its use are aligned with our mission to serve the community through music." With that said, the building is apparently in sorry shape. The floor has deteriorated and is crumbling and the building was denied an occupancy permit by the Cincinnati Fire Department a few years back as a result. But from the news that was shared with me, Moonlite Gardens is slated for restoration and preservation as the new amphitheater is taking shape. Skill Games building/Hampton Court/ Moonlite Square: Neighboring Moonlite Gardens on the shore of Lake Como, this building was designed by UC architect Darrell "Dusty" Daniels and constructed in 1966. This building is a steel frame structure and a brick exterior, designed in the French Normandy style of architecture. Complete with a slanted roof and a cupola with a clock tower, this building is probably one of my favorite buildings on the site. While the building was primarily used for Skill Games for the guests, the building also housed the Group Sales offices for the park. The offices inside the building are now occupied by MEMI, so this iconic beauty is definitely safe from the wrecking ball. Sorry for the long post. I know it was packed with information, but I hope this helps answer some questions. There are a few photos that show land clearing beginning. I plan to share those as well. If need be, to cite my source, I can provide screenshots of the email I had received from the CSO last year.

I was too young to remember it myself, but my mother remembers taking me and my brother into the Spanish building, which is now Sweet Spot, and seeing the candles. I assume they were the hand dipped and carved candles. I was too young to remember, but I was a 2000s kid born in the late 90s and the thought that the carved candles lasted that far into Paramount is interesting. At the very least, I would like to see some of the shops on International Street take on more international names that fit their architecture.

This was actually added in 2019. I was a little surprised the original Beast Canyon sign was visible again. I think they just did some touch ups of this sign during the offseason.

He used to be located in the Spanish building where Sweet Spot is. His old spot is now Sweet Spot's "Slam Bam" register. He moved across the street to the German building outside of Emporium.

I don't mind that it was put up, but I will echo everyone else's sentiment that it was poorly placed and should have been placed at the Salt Water Circus lawn. I get the need for it, but it could have planned a little better.

I've actually had a similar opinion! They could give Diamondback a backstory for Rivertown. "Mr. McHales Farm (Named after Ed McHale, Kings Island's GM from 1973 to 1976 and previously park president of Coney Island 1970 -1971) was a thriving tobacco business in Rivertown. One day, however, the old tobacco barn on the hill overlooking his house was taken over by a large Eastern Diamondback rattlesnake, far larger than any he had previously seen." Guest could walk through the General Store and farm house themed queue, similar to Good Gravy at Holiday World and Expedition Everest at Animal Kingdom, which would make the coaster feel more immersive and better intigrated into the Rivertown section. Edit; Add on: For me, my favorite area is International Street. The European buildings and the landscaping with the Royal Fountain and Eiffel Tower as a back drop is easily the best park entrance in terms of an entrance statement and beauty. (But please fix the music)

When the International Street renovation was announced and presented, I was most excited for the stenciling and emphasis on the International Street buildings being themed again. At one point I was extremely against a major change to the Royal Fountain, but I was more open to it when it meant that it would be *International* Street again. I actually welcomed the reimagined and more animated fountain with the LEDs. However, as time passes, I do miss old aspects of the original fountain and its grandeur. The pedestals added a unique character compared to the fountains at Kings Dominion and Canada's Wonderland as those two fountains had a more natural looking appearance coming straight from the pools from their initial introductions. That said, it was apparent that they were difficult to maintain as the rust streaks had to be repainted each year and marred their regal appearance in a way. For that, the water curtain that replaced them actually looks a little nicer. What I do think is missing is the grandiose appearance that came with the thicker cascade jets that ran along the sides coupled with the morning glory jets; 13 of each on both sides. The small vertical jets and finger nozzles add height and make the show dynamic possible, but they do look pretty dinky in comparison to what had been there for years. I don't know if it would be possible to have the nighttime and even daytime display setting with the old jets that were there though, but I miss that aspect the most.

I think it was a missed opportunity when planning Kings Mills Antique Autos to not place it in the Saltwater Circus lawn area and revive the Les Taxis name matching with International Street. Although it did bring a fresh feeling to the back of Coney Mall when it opened in 2019. The Tower Topics episode about Marathon/ Sunshine Turnpike and Don's comments about how the Turnpike and Antique cars both provided unique experiences from one another opens up the possibility of reviving the Turnpike. Maybe call it Der Autobahn to tie in the International Street theme.

In my free time, I had dreamed up a revamped International Street food line up, removing the corporate franchise foods and embracing more unique food items. I like the idea of adding new pavilions on International Street for an enhancement of the food offerings at the park. I am of the opinion that the new pavilions should be closer in proximity to the original Bruce Bushman designed buildings. Two countries that I have in mind for architectural representation on International Street is England/ Great Britain and China. The English building would be tucked next to Wishbone Grill at the Swiss building, utilizing and old English style facade which matches the Alpine lodge design of Wishbone and Starbucks while standing out on its own. This location would sell fish and chips as well as comfort foods like chicken tenders and fries for those with more limited options. With its location being in close proximity to Grain & Grill, families looking for healthy options can eat together without having to travel far for food items that some of the youngest members of the family can enjoy. By moving the chicken tenders out to a new location, G&G can focus on its original purpose to be more in line with its original Kings Dominion counterpart; being a healthy worldly international kitchen. The Chinese building would be located near the base of the Eiffel Tower next to the French building. Currently the site of a floral bed and a backstage entrance gate leading to the Park Services "cage" in the Boo Blasters building, the backstage entrance would be reworked and the area relandscaped to make way for the Chinese pagoda style building. This would be home to Mandarin Cuisine, a throwback name to the Chinese restaurant briefly located in the Swiss building where G&G currently resides in 2003. Authentic Chinese food would be sold here. However, knowing how popular Panda Express is at the park, an alternative idea would be to put Panda in this new pagoda structure and open a much needed second Skyline Chili location in the Festhaus. Below I have the basic rendering if what it would look like: Interestingly, on the topic of International Street's worldly theming, I'm surprised the pastry items at Sweet Spot aren't talked about in that regard as some of the items produced by the park's pastry team have very international inspirations; the banana biscoff pudding shared on KICentral's socials originates from Belgium and the trifles originate from Britain. Though minor, that would be a fantastic story telling opportunity; sweet treats from around the world.

As sad as it is to nonchalantly talk about cannibalizing a park, I second on Kings Island getting the NebulaZ! We need more flat rides. It can be put in Rivertown and themed to Peter's Cartridge Company or something along the lines of an early small industrial town. Coney Mall could benefit from it too, incorporating it into a Coney refurbishment. I can also see it in Area 72.

Granted they probably would not want to do this, but they could split the former Action Zone in half and eliminate the center seating area, annexing Delirium, Banshee and The Bat (If it sticks around) into Oktoberfest or even Adventure Port. Then the West side of Action Zone can be reimagined into a new themed area. I didn't add any new coasters, just drew the seperating lines between the areas to showcase the possibility of a split. Now granted, as I mentioned, it would mean the total removal of the shaded seating area, so there will need to be a way to remedy that loss. Perhaps more tables with umbrellas like on International Street. It is a bit tricky especially considering how well established Banshee is as a Kings Island coaster and not wanting to retheme it.

I know Kings Island is technically in Greater Cincinnati, but Dayton is not too far away. Dayton is the birthplace of aviation. Up at Carillon Park in Dayton, there's an exhibition about the Wright brothers; they even have the Wright Flyer on display. Why not an aviation themed area (I know Aeronautica Landing at Carowinds is kinda that)? They could tap further into Southwest Ohio's history and heritage with that kind of attraction.

On the topic of Monster, we all remember in Shake Rattle & Roll's case, that ride was completely removed in 2014 and returned in 2015 completely refurbished. Monster has not loaded all six tentacles in years due to weight distribution issues. It's also worth noting too that it still is unchanged from when it debuted at Coney Island in 1968 and is the last of the Coney flats that has not received a facelift with new paint and LED lighting. Shake Rattle & Roll (2015), Scrambler (2016), Dodgem (2017), and even The Racer for Winterfest in 2018 got multicolored LED uplights; Zephyr received some red and white LED bulbs and a new canvas tarp on top. Now a new player has entered into the Cedar Fair/ New Six Flags ring; Premier Rides. They're about to open AlpenFury at Canada's Wonderland in 2025 and will be legacy Cedar Fair's first collaboration with them. Why is this important? Premier Rides not only manufactures solid rides of their own, but they have proven to be top notch in ride restorations. For the 2024 season, Premier was contracted to fabricate new Arrow track for Loch Ness Monster at Busch Gardens Williamsburg. For Kennywood's 2022 season, Premier refurbished and restored the Kangaroo, a last of its kind Norman Bartlett Flying Coaster flat ride. Is it possible that Premier Rides may be contracted to breathe new life into Monster, extending the life of this Old Coney classic? Time will tell. With that said though, with recent trends at new Six Flags, complete removal is not off the table and would not be surprising either.

I guess it's safe to say The Vortex replacement will not use the Shooting Star name? All joking aside, I'm very excited to see nods to old Coney throughout the park.

I remember the floral clock being inoperable much of last year. It's a shame as it's one of the most charming aspects of the park. I'd love to see more emphasis on landscaping in the coming years, like having each area feature their own unique plants and shrubbery. I feel like currently each area has the same plants when it would thematically go a long way if it differed between each area.

The arcade was repainted in 2020.

Maybe the 2026 family thrill attraction is going into the Salt Water Circus lawn? This could be a new themed area surrounding the Grand Carousel. Perhaps that's why it wasn't placed there?

Will this require the relocation or removal of the Living Liberty Bell? That has been in that location since Day 1 (I believe it was introduced for the 1976 Bicentennial). Another big concern is that it may block the views of the Grand Carousel from that midway.

My guess is that it's just the roof that will be changing colors. This is based on the image posted by the park where there seem to be no signs of painting near the supports and the cherubs. Based on this photo of Kings Dominion's Grand Carousel shelter, grabbed from Midwest Info Guide, the finished product may look something like this: Interestingly while Kings Island, Kings Dominion and Canada's Wonderland use the same design for their carousel structures, Kings Island's was the only one of the three with a seam roof. KD and CW have a solid smooth surface.

ICYMI, the 1926 Grand Carousel, relocated from Cincinnati's Coney Island for Kings Island's 1972 inaugural season, is getting reroofed. The new metal standing seams for the roof will be an aged copper/ patina color. Here is a Facebook post from the contractor doing the work: https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1555h46yz4/