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The airport is around 10 miles from the park, height restrictions only extend for 20,000 feet from the airport. Beyond that you can go as high as you want, as long as you request permission. Which is what is bugging me, I checked the FAA website a few minutes ago, the park has not filed a 7460-1 for this coaster. But then unless I screwed up the search, I cannot find anything for Diamondback or for Drop zone. Anything over 200' requires a 7460-1 and they are searchable on the FAA website so I am really confused. Here is the Eiffel Tower.

You used the top of the lift, and the bottom of element 6. You need to use the top of the lift and bottom of #1 so 1035.9 - 735.0 which is 300.9.

Grade at the start of the lift is about 740, under the top of the lift it is about 750. Top of the lift is listed as 1035, so about 285-295 tall. Depends a little on how the measurement is done, typically you average the height of the grade so likely height is 290. In a word this coaster is going to be controversial.

Unless there is a bid I am not aware of, the bid is to purchase the chain not just Kennywood. They already own 44%, this is just to complete the purchase and take it private. The park is not for sale on its own.

It’s a little hard to read in that picture but the arrow next to North Abutment plan says NORTH on it.

I have the Mystic Timbers documents, they do list the coordinates for the footers as Kings Island coordinates. The coordinate system and north do not align to true north, magnetic north or longitude and latitude. It’s a solvable problem but it’s complicated.

I visit Universal Orlando frequently enough that I have an annual pass, but the passes are not that expensive when you consider ticket prices, and parking, two trips pay for the pass. I also go every year for Halloween Horror Nights and have not missed a year in over a decade. I can likely answer most questions you might have about the parks or HHN. Halloween Horror Nights is pretty much completely unique houses and scare zones every year. I can only think of one house which was repeated, but even that house was built from scratch the second time around. As soon as the event ends they tear down everything and start working on the following year. As a warning the houses are incredibly detailed but your not allowed to stop and admire the work. Because of the giant crowds they do not pulse the line but instead have to send continuous streams of people though the house in a conga line. If you do stop, they have security personal in basically every rooms and hallway who will direct you to start moving. If you do go to Florida to check out HHN, take a day to head out to Busch Gardens in Tampa, their Howl-o-scream event is well worth your time and you can spend the day riding some fantastic coasters and flat rides. I recommend the VIP tour at HOS, it’s not that much extra and you get a tour guide who walks you to the front of line at all the houses. Plus you get a plastic souvenir bottle at check in which you get several stops where they will fill it with your choice of beverage including beer. They also provide snacks at the stops. HOS reuses houses from year to year, they do a great job building them but as long as you go every 3 or 4 years you will see all of them likely more than once.

First the overseas deals. Six Flags is licensing their name and helping with design work on the foreign parks. But they are also not actually investing any money, they will receive licensing fees but this is not actually Six Flags building, owning, or operating the parks. They are not a good indication of changes at the company as a whole. Six Flags has a very different philosophy on how to run the parks, they want to push volume through higher attendance and larger numbers of annual passes and memberships. One way they do this is to invest in every park annually, but spreading the money across so many parks leaves them installing cheaper attractions. They also invest less money as a percentage of revenue then Cedar Fair. Combined together and you end up with few big coasters. Even with West Coast Racers and Maxx Force, I have not really seen a shift in the 2019 capital expenditures. Because they used to buy a few expensive rides like the Justice League Dark Rides, and now they just purchased two coasters, I suspect it is about the same amount of money overall just spent on different types of attractions.

Anyone figure out where the Coke freestyle machines are located? So far I have only found 9, and I thought the park had more. There are 6 in the Coke building, and 3 in the train station. So where did the machines from Jukebox Diner end up? Very possible it’s obvious and I overlooked them.

There is a small slope in front of the lift hill around 30-40 feet in height. It will go right back up and the rest of the coaster is at a higher elevation but it’s enough to give it a 330 foot drop.

I have been thinking about the drop and how the ride needs some record. I think it has the longest drop on a giga or at least the longest drop on a coaster with a chain lift. If you look right after the drop the land is sloping downward for about 40 feet then when it comes back up you start seeing supports. I believe the lift really is only 290-305 feet tall, then it drops about 330-340 feet. It never returns to that lower elevation again, but it might also hit a slightly higher top speed then Fury, so I am thinking it might hit 96 MPH.

I understand but disagree, it does not deserve that number 8 spot, kinda like I feel Diamondback is too highly ranked. The awards favor parks with high attendance like Kings Island, and Canada's Wonderland. It not really the layout that bugs me, I think it will be fine. But a $30+ million dollar coaster this short is just a waste, if it was a different type of ride we would have a 2+ minute long ride with twice as many elements instead of a ride which we will spend as much time on the lift hill as we do on the rest of the ride. Leviathan takes about 45 seconds to go up the lift hill, and about 45-50 seconds from the top of the lift hill to the brakes. The lift on Fury is faster and only takes about 40 seconds but the ride lasts 65-70 seconds. People asking for 75 ft tall hills on this ride have to understand if they are that short its going to burn through the track so fast it will be over in 35-40 seconds. Its going to be a great 40 seconds but you will hit the brakes and wonder where the rest of the ride is. I prefer Xcelerator over Kingda Ka, and Top Thrill Dragster for similar reasons. The launch is more forceful and there is actually a coaster after the top hat. If Cedar Fair had not been obsessed with building a 400 ft tall coaster the ride could have been amazing with the giant budget it had.

I do not want this post to come across as a complaint, because I am happy we are getting a new coaster. But I have absolutely no idea as to why Cedar Fair is building this specific coaster. For a number of reasons I expected a 2020 coaster at Kings Island, maybe even a giga, but when I look at what is likely the layout, and I look at the blue print for the lift hill and drop, I have no idea why someone would green light this ride. According to Richard Zimmerman He literally made that statement two days ago on a conference call in relation to the 2019 coasters. But there are no records being broken here, there is no extra mile, people have said Fury is too new so its not going to break those records, frankly why bother building it then? A giga coaster is expensive and unnecessary unless its going to end up on top ten lists. This is Leviathan 2.0 in every way I can see. A decent coaster but a waste of money. The amount of money being spent on this coaster could have made a much better ride if it was not this tall and fast. This is a $30 million dollar ride, that only enthusiasts outside of the Cincinnati area will remember for more than a year or two. Its still better then the amount of waste that has gone into rides like Escape from Krypton at Magic Mountain but so far this ride just screams we ran out of money, which is typically a sign that the park or chain is building the wrong attraction. Maybe the reveal or construction will change my mind, but I am uncertain as to what they could possibly show at this point which would convince me that the money would not have been better spent on a different type of coaster.

The problem is we do not need to know. No matter how high up the spine the track is located before it reaches the spine at that point it will follow that 40 degree angle. The big unknowns are on the drop angle and the location of the peak. We have no way to know those right now but we can get close to the height. I am confident its higher then 285, my math says 295 right now, but I likely estimated something a little too conservative which will push it to 305 or 310. There will be a matching footing on the drop that I have not seen the angle for yet which will help with the math and should get us a little closer to the height. A really steep drop might get us to 325 to match Fury even. I figured that angle would have been on the documents which were submitted to the city but it likely looks very similar to what was already posted so its possible no one realized it was important, or it was not included I am not certain right now. Also we are using the location of the spine, I am not actually sure where the measurement is done from. The track, train, top of the guardrail?

Doh, sorry your right my mistake, not paying enough attention. I was looking at your numbers and thinking you were saying the lift was 453 feet along the ground, while you were saying its 453 feet between points at which the backbone hits the ground. Nice drawing, your likely close. I suspect its just over 300 ft tall.

That is not how the supports work though. The L4R and L4L supports are angled and support the drop. Your lift hill angle is not accurate. EDIT: Well I am an idiot, Its L13L and L13R which are angled to support the drop, I know better even. Feel free to ignore this stupidity.

Reading the transcript right now but this line just jumped out at me. That was stated by the CEO. If that is an accurate number and not a transcription error, the estimates on attendance at the Cedar Fair parks from 3rd parties are completely wrong. I have long been told by insiders the numbers from TEA are garbage but its nice getting some proof. Because that puts their estimates off by more then 1.5 million.

Using the mid point between L13L and L13R then measuring the distance from that location to LS3L you get 351 feet. Using a right triangle with a 40 degree angle you get a height of 295 feet. I might be a little off on the location of the peak because those supports are slanted but they also do not directly support the top. Its a giga but not by a lot. I remember a rumor I have heard multiple times over the years. That Banshee was a last minute design, the original coaster was cancelled and instead of the Giga we were going to get in 2014, we got an Invert that lacks polish. Why? Because Intimidator did better at Carowinds then expected, so they pushed forward plans and built Fury 325 in 2015. It feels like Cedar Fair is now revisiting the giga for Kings Island and is building Leviathan 2.0 instead of Fury 2.0. Although it also feels like it was designed to a budget which was just not quite large enough. The coaster is following a well defined ridge for the lift hill and drop, seems strange to turn it around in the current location when the ridge extends another 300 to 400 feet. But either way this is not going to break many or any records. It still might be a great design, because it is hard to tell from overhead how a layout really feels.

If you look in the middle of your image you can see the angle of the connection plate is already labeled. We just need a higher resolution copy of the image so we can actually read it.

Maybe, look to the right a little bit under partial foundation plan. There it says 1 inch is equal to 20 feet. If that 40 foot scale was only 2 inches long I think the page would have been tiny. Like I said I think there is something wrong here. This is why I want a copy of the coordinates page with enough resolution to actually read it. But either this is not a giga or 100% there are mistakes on the plans.

The rule has always been the documents in question have to be public records. Since it sounds like they are not something available from the city then a moderator will remove them and they are not allowed. Likely they will end up on another forum, reddit, or youtube and we will be able to discuss them. But the pictures themselves cannot be posted here.

That is not what my math says. I am measuring from LS1 to a point between that triangular footer and L13L. Comparing that to the scale I cannot get anywhere near long enough for a giga unless the lift is very steep. The lift layout looks similar to Fury although transfer track is before the station and not after it.

Does someone have a higher res version of the foundation coordinates? I am looking at the layout and the scale seems wrong or something.

The employee must be new, during Mystic Timbers they just left them sitting out because so many enthusiasts were visiting.

I am pretty sure it was 1997, which makes sense because if you look at the Warren County permit website it is the last year which has any permits for the park listed.