hey everyone, this is most likely an easy question, but what roller coaster brings ki's coaster count to 14 because if you count them even the kiddie rides there is only 13 unless you count The Racers twice or is that what makes 14?

Where are you getting the 14? Perhaps someone forgot they removed Scooby's Ghoster Coaster?

For what it is worth, Roller Coaster Data Base lists 13...and at Kings Island itself only Barbara Colnar counted Racer/recaR as two.

...I'm NOT starting this debate again, but although the enthusiast community doesn't, Kings Island counds Avatar as a coaster.

I believe the general consensus is that it is not a coaster because it is powered by a on board motor.

^That is considered a powered coaster.

http://www.rcdb.com/ir.htm?cls=278

Interesting...then why isn't Avatar: The Last Airbender on that list???

^Because rcdb.com can't keep up with the coasters they have listed. If they listed all of the skaters or rail riders too, they would be in over there heads. (personal opinion of course)

Could it be because of the fact that Avatar and all similar Zamperla rides are not complete circuit rides, but are merely shuttle mode rides with only one train? And as odd as it sounds, I do believe that Great America does NOT consider their Survivor ride (same model as KI`s Avatar, except the seats are oriented in a ring and face outward) a coaster.

If that is the case, wouldn't that mean that Face/Off couldn't be considered a roller coater either?

I am certainly not putting words on Interps keyboard but I think he is saying the same thing when I say this. RCDB.com picks and chooses what they define as a "roller coaster", and the enthusiast community looks to that web site for info more than can be imagined. The whole industry does. There is no real set in stone definition for "roller coaster", yes it is in Webster's, but what I am trying to say is the definition varies depending on who you are talking about. This is true even from one manufacture to another. RCDB.com is a good web site, don't get me wrong, but they tend to pick and choose there definitions to certain words and they are not the only ones. Besides in my opinion 1, 10, or 50 roller coasters it doesn't matter to me, as long as I am having fun.

I think that our KI commercials here say Firehawk is the 14th coaster.

I couldn't figure out how they came up with 14 either. They could count racer/recar as 2, since they have different trains and completely different tracks.

deb

Well, then KI would consider Avatar their 13th coaster and Firehawk their 14th.

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Beast

SOB

Racer (forwards)

Racer (backwards)

AE

TG

F/O

FoF

FH

Vortex

RR

FOC

IJST

Avatar!

I would have to say that ANY launch coaster is a powered coaster... so should they 'not' be included? But I coundted 14! -Hauntguy

Well, then KI would consider Avatar their 13th coaster and Firehawk their 14th.

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Beast

SOB

Racer (forwards)

Racer (backwards)

AE

TG

F/O

FoF

FH

Vortex

RR

FOC

IJST

Avatar!

I would have to say that ANY launch coaster is a powered coaster... so should they 'not' be included? But I coundted 14! -Hauntguy

You forgot Little Bill's Giggle Coaster and I'm pretty sure they count Racer as one.

According to RCDB:

Powered Coaster - a roller coaster that is electrically powered throughout the entire ride.

A launch coaster is not being continuously launched through the ride. It has a certain part of the track where it gains it's energy (just like a lift hill that's not elevated) and then for the rest of the ride it "rolls" and "coasts".

For another vuiewpoint:

At CoasterMania and CoasterEXT (coaster enthusiasts events held at Cedar Point and Geauga Lake, respectively), they sold a souvenir event shirt with a "2007 All Ohio Coaster Odyseey" deisgn on the front, and on the back they listed all of Cedar Fair's coasters in Ohio.

Of interest: they included Avatar on their listing.

I'm thinking about wearing that shirt to 080407...

I think that our KI commercials here say Firehawk is the 14th coaster.

I couldn't figure out how they came up with 14 either. They could count racer/recar as 2, since they have different trains and completely different tracks.

deb

that is what is confusing mebecause on this web site they call avatar a family ride not a roller coaster and if you count what they have listed as roller coasters there is only 13 unless you count The Racers as to sepperate rides

Well to help you Avatar is a family ride while Racer is a bit more intense than avatar... on avatar all members of the family can enjoy it.

Beast

SOB

Racer (forwards)

Racer (backwards)

AE

TG

F/O

FoF

FH

Vortex

RR

FOC

IJST

Avatar!

I would have to say that ANY launch coaster is a powered coaster... so should they 'not' be included? But I coundted 14! -Hauntguy

but i thought that The Racers were counted as one coaster just as twisted sisters at sfkk are considered one, and gemini at Cedar Point are considered one

What is and is not a roller coaster and how to count twin coaster(s) is a subject for endless debate.

And that ride at Kentucky Kingdom has for some time been known as Twisted Twins. Seems a certain band took umbrage at the name it was formerly given (or more likely, that they had not been compensated for use of their name).

Its really a matter of opinion/preference. I always counted The Racer as two, but I don't count Avatar.

Its really a matter of opinion/preference. I always counted The Racer as two, but I don't count Avatar.

so what opinion/preference are they using?????

What is and is not a roller coaster and how to count twin coaster(s) is a subject for endless debate.

And that ride at Kentucky Kingdom has for some time been known as Twisted Twins. Seems a certain band took umbrage at the name it was formerly given (or more likely, that they had not been compensated for use of their name).

Actually, it was not the entire band Twisted Sister that took umbrage at the name. It was just the guitar player, JJ Finch, whom owns all the rights to the Twisted Sister name. Coincidentally, he produced a couple of albums for my favorite band...Sevendust.

KI's 14:

1. FOC: 1972

2. LBGC: 1992

3. RRR: 1999

4. BEAST: 1979

5. IJST: 2005

6. Vortex: 1987

7. RACER: 1972

8. RECAR: 1972

9. FOF: 1996

10. Firehawk: 2007

11. AE: 1991

12. F/O: 1999

13. TG: 1993

14. SOB: 2000

Beast1979

The park does NOT count Racer as two. It DOES count Avatar: The Last Airbender as a coaster. Sometimes. And sometimes not.

can't someone just email the park and ask them?

The park does NOT count Racer as two. It DOES count Avatar: The Last Airbender as a coaster. Sometimes. And sometimes not.

then how come on KICentral.com the unofficial web-site of Kings Island has it listed as a family ride? because i am really confused

What is and is not a roller coaster and how to count twin coaster(s) is a subject for endless debate.

And that ride at Kentucky Kingdom has for some time been known as Twisted Twins. Seems a certain band took umbrage at the name it was formerly given (or more likely, that they had not been compensated for use of their name).

I just have to say it. Did they play "We're not going to take it" when the band found out about the name and wasn't getting any compensation for likeness rights?

What is and is not a roller coaster and how to count twin coaster(s) is a subject for endless debate.

And that ride at Kentucky Kingdom has for some time been known as Twisted Twins. Seems a certain band took umbrage at the name it was formerly given (or more likely, that they had not been compensated for use of their name).

I just have to say it. Did they play "We're not going to take it" when the band found out about the name and wasn't getting any compensation for likeness rights?

:lol: :lol: I wouldn't be surprised.

I e-mailed KI today and this is what they wrote:

Jackson,

Here are the 14 roller coasters at Kings Island:

Wooden Roller Coasters

- The Beast

- The Racer

- Son of Beast

Steel Coasters

- Adventure Express

- Vortex

- Face/Off

- Firehawk

- Flight of Fear

- Italian Job: Stunt Track

- Top Gun

Kids Coasters

- Fairly Odd Coaster

- Rugrats Runaway Reptar

- Little Bill’s Giggle Coaster

- Avatar: The Last Airbender

New roller coasters will be built at Kings Island in the foreseeable future. What year and what kind will be announced when the information becomes available.

Of the 14 roller coasters at Kings Island, which one is your favorite?

Don Helbig

Public Relations Area Manager

Kings Island

6300 Kings Island Drive

Kings Island, Ohio 45034

Direct: (513) 754-5797

E-mail: DHelbig@paramountparks.com

www.pki.com

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