coaster_junky Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 hey everyone, this is most likely an easy question, but what roller coaster brings ki's coaster count to 14 because if you count them even the kiddie rides there is only 13 unless you count The Racers twice or is that what makes 14? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 Where are you getting the 14? Perhaps someone forgot they removed Scooby's Ghoster Coaster? For what it is worth, Roller Coaster Data Base lists 13...and at Kings Island itself only Barbara Colnar counted Racer/recaR as two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoddaH1994 Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 ...I'm NOT starting this debate again, but although the enthusiast community doesn't, Kings Island counds Avatar as a coaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 I believe the general consensus is that it is not a coaster because it is powered by a on board motor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 ^That is considered a powered coaster. http://www.rcdb.com/ir.htm?cls=278 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 Interesting...then why isn't Avatar: The Last Airbender on that list??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 ^Because rcdb.com can't keep up with the coasters they have listed. If they listed all of the skaters or rail riders too, they would be in over there heads. (personal opinion of course) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastersRZ Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 Could it be because of the fact that Avatar and all similar Zamperla rides are not complete circuit rides, but are merely shuttle mode rides with only one train? And as odd as it sounds, I do believe that Great America does NOT consider their Survivor ride (same model as KI`s Avatar, except the seats are oriented in a ring and face outward) a coaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delirium33 Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 If that is the case, wouldn't that mean that Face/Off couldn't be considered a roller coater either? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 I am certainly not putting words on Interps keyboard but I think he is saying the same thing when I say this. RCDB.com picks and chooses what they define as a "roller coaster", and the enthusiast community looks to that web site for info more than can be imagined. The whole industry does. There is no real set in stone definition for "roller coaster", yes it is in Webster's, but what I am trying to say is the definition varies depending on who you are talking about. This is true even from one manufacture to another. RCDB.com is a good web site, don't get me wrong, but they tend to pick and choose there definitions to certain words and they are not the only ones. Besides in my opinion 1, 10, or 50 roller coasters it doesn't matter to me, as long as I am having fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deb Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 I think that our KI commercials here say Firehawk is the 14th coaster. I couldn't figure out how they came up with 14 either. They could count racer/recar as 2, since they have different trains and completely different tracks. deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor66 Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 Well, then KI would consider Avatar their 13th coaster and Firehawk their 14th. 100 posts!!! W00T!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hauntguy Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 Beast SOB Racer (forwards) Racer (backwards) AE TG F/O FoF FH Vortex RR FOC IJST Avatar! I would have to say that ANY launch coaster is a powered coaster... so should they 'not' be included? But I coundted 14! -Hauntguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH13TEEN Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 Well, then KI would consider Avatar their 13th coaster and Firehawk their 14th. 100 posts!!! W00T!!!!! I got to a 100 posts yesterday it is so cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welchce Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 Beast SOB Racer (forwards) Racer (backwards) AE TG F/O FoF FH Vortex RR FOC IJST Avatar! I would have to say that ANY launch coaster is a powered coaster... so should they 'not' be included? But I coundted 14! -Hauntguy You forgot Little Bill's Giggle Coaster and I'm pretty sure they count Racer as one. According to RCDB: Powered Coaster - a roller coaster that is electrically powered throughout the entire ride. A launch coaster is not being continuously launched through the ride. It has a certain part of the track where it gains it's energy (just like a lift hill that's not elevated) and then for the rest of the ride it "rolls" and "coasts". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterville Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 For another vuiewpoint: At CoasterMania and CoasterEXT (coaster enthusiasts events held at Cedar Point and Geauga Lake, respectively), they sold a souvenir event shirt with a "2007 All Ohio Coaster Odyseey" deisgn on the front, and on the back they listed all of Cedar Fair's coasters in Ohio. Of interest: they included Avatar on their listing. I'm thinking about wearing that shirt to 080407... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coaster_junky Posted July 30, 2007 Author Share Posted July 30, 2007 I think that our KI commercials here say Firehawk is the 14th coaster. I couldn't figure out how they came up with 14 either. They could count racer/recar as 2, since they have different trains and completely different tracks. deb that is what is confusing mebecause on this web site they call avatar a family ride not a roller coaster and if you count what they have listed as roller coasters there is only 13 unless you count The Racers as to sepperate rides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby_Doo Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 Well to help you Avatar is a family ride while Racer is a bit more intense than avatar... on avatar all members of the family can enjoy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coaster_junky Posted July 30, 2007 Author Share Posted July 30, 2007 Beast SOB Racer (forwards) Racer (backwards) AE TG F/O FoF FH Vortex RR FOC IJST Avatar! I would have to say that ANY launch coaster is a powered coaster... so should they 'not' be included? But I coundted 14! -Hauntguy but i thought that The Racers were counted as one coaster just as twisted sisters at sfkk are considered one, and gemini at Cedar Point are considered one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 What is and is not a roller coaster and how to count twin coaster(s) is a subject for endless debate. And that ride at Kentucky Kingdom has for some time been known as Twisted Twins. Seems a certain band took umbrage at the name it was formerly given (or more likely, that they had not been compensated for use of their name). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiderOfRides Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 Its really a matter of opinion/preference. I always counted The Racer as two, but I don't count Avatar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coaster_junky Posted September 11, 2007 Author Share Posted September 11, 2007 Its really a matter of opinion/preference. I always counted The Racer as two, but I don't count Avatar. so what opinion/preference are they using????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIBeast Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 What is and is not a roller coaster and how to count twin coaster(s) is a subject for endless debate. And that ride at Kentucky Kingdom has for some time been known as Twisted Twins. Seems a certain band took umbrage at the name it was formerly given (or more likely, that they had not been compensated for use of their name). Actually, it was not the entire band Twisted Sister that took umbrage at the name. It was just the guitar player, JJ Finch, whom owns all the rights to the Twisted Sister name. Coincidentally, he produced a couple of albums for my favorite band...Sevendust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast1979 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 KI's 14: 1. FOC: 1972 2. LBGC: 1992 3. RRR: 1999 4. BEAST: 1979 5. IJST: 2005 6. Vortex: 1987 7. RACER: 1972 8. RECAR: 1972 9. FOF: 1996 10. Firehawk: 2007 11. AE: 1991 12. F/O: 1999 13. TG: 1993 14. SOB: 2000 Beast1979 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interpreter Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 The park does NOT count Racer as two. It DOES count Avatar: The Last Airbender as a coaster. Sometimes. And sometimes not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortexlover2 Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 can't someone just email the park and ask them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coaster_junky Posted September 29, 2007 Author Share Posted September 29, 2007 The park does NOT count Racer as two. It DOES count Avatar: The Last Airbender as a coaster. Sometimes. And sometimes not. then how come on KICentral.com the unofficial web-site of Kings Island has it listed as a family ride? because i am really confused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James78 Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 What is and is not a roller coaster and how to count twin coaster(s) is a subject for endless debate. And that ride at Kentucky Kingdom has for some time been known as Twisted Twins. Seems a certain band took umbrage at the name it was formerly given (or more likely, that they had not been compensated for use of their name). I just have to say it. Did they play "We're not going to take it" when the band found out about the name and wasn't getting any compensation for likeness rights? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiSab Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 What is and is not a roller coaster and how to count twin coaster(s) is a subject for endless debate. And that ride at Kentucky Kingdom has for some time been known as Twisted Twins. Seems a certain band took umbrage at the name it was formerly given (or more likely, that they had not been compensated for use of their name). I just have to say it. Did they play "We're not going to take it" when the band found out about the name and wasn't getting any compensation for likeness rights? :lol: :lol: I wouldn't be surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast1979 Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 I e-mailed KI today and this is what they wrote: Jackson, Here are the 14 roller coasters at Kings Island: Wooden Roller Coasters - The Beast - The Racer - Son of Beast Steel Coasters - Adventure Express - Vortex - Face/Off - Firehawk - Flight of Fear - Italian Job: Stunt Track - Top Gun Kids Coasters - Fairly Odd Coaster - Rugrats Runaway Reptar - Little Bill’s Giggle Coaster - Avatar: The Last Airbender New roller coasters will be built at Kings Island in the foreseeable future. What year and what kind will be announced when the information becomes available. Of the 14 roller coasters at Kings Island, which one is your favorite? Don Helbig Public Relations Area Manager Kings Island 6300 Kings Island Drive Kings Island, Ohio 45034 Direct: (513) 754-5797 E-mail: DHelbig@paramountparks.com www.pki.com Halloween Haunt at Kings Island Everyone's Dying to Get In! I copied and paseted the E-Mail, un edited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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